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  #51  
Old September 13th 08, 12:41 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,sci.physics,sci.chem
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On Sep 13, 3:10 am, Damaeus wrote:
In news:sci.physics, kT posted on Sat, 06 Sep
2008 21:53:02 -0500:

United States Falling Behind EVERYONE In Physics, Science, Rockets,
EVERYTHING.


I don't doubt it. After my experience on a mailing list with retards,
the USA deserves to fall behind.

Damaeus


Deserving to fall behind is perhaps too simple and polite. We've more
than done it to ourselves multiple times, and we thereby have no one
other to blame.

Most Americans are living a lie, and too mainstream snookered as well
as dumbfounded past the point of no return at that.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
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  #52  
Old September 13th 08, 03:22 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment
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Damon Hill wrote:

:Ian Parker wrote in

ups.com:
:

Ian is an idiot, which he is about to prove once again. Why waste
time rebutting his lunacy?

:
: I think the US is falling behind both Europe and Asia. I
: think there are a number of reasons.
:
: 1) The failure to build a supercollider.
:
:Too busy building advanced semiconductor fabs--those are
:hugely expensive.
:

Well, no. Semiconductor fabs are privately funded. The supercollider
was publicly funded. Not even money out of the same pocket.

In point of fact, it cost more to shut the supercollider project down
than it would have cost to finish it. It got shut down by a
Democratic Congress that was ****ed off that Texas dared to replace a
Democratic Senator (Bob Krueger, appointed by Ann Richards to replace
Lloyd Bentsen) with a Republican (Kay Bailey Hutchison) and wanted to
exact a revenge against the State of Texas.

: 2) Creationalism, the view that the World is no older than
: the Ice Age.
:
:Quite a lot of people here, most in fact, don't believe in
:that. Still, the fundamentalist conservatives are inhibiting
rogress.
:

How?

: 3) Governmenr interference with things like Stem Cell
: research.
:
:Got more specific examples; this seems trivial by itself.
:

It's less than trivial. There's been no "government interference".
There's merely been a lack of government interference in the opposite
direction; a failure to subsidize it, rather than interference to
prevent it.

: 4) The US is now a lot less welcoming to foreigners than it
: was in the time of Kennedy.
:
:You don't live here, do you? Spanish has become the 2nd
:national language by default. We're not as bilingual as
:Canada but our economic wealth attracts much immigration.
:

And 'foreigners' who actually have something to offer don't find it
difficult at all to come here.

As usual, Ian couldn't be more wrong if he planned it that way.

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only stupid."
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  #53  
Old September 13th 08, 07:55 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:10:08 -0500, Damaeus wrote:

I don't doubt it. After my experience on a mailing list with retards,
the USA deserves to fall behind.


....Who's the bigger retard? The retard, or the one who responds to a
self-confessed neo-Nazi anti-Semitic bigot?

Just killfile the ******* and put him out of our misery, please.

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  #54  
Old September 13th 08, 08:03 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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OM wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:10:08 -0500, Damaeus wrote:

I don't doubt it. After my experience on a mailing list with retards,
the USA deserves to fall behind.


...Who's the bigger retard?


Robert Mosley III from Austin, Texas. Aka : Stumpy.

Just kill


Robert Mosley III's mantra.
  #55  
Old September 13th 08, 08:55 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment
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Fred J. McCall wrote:

In point of fact, it cost more to shut the supercollider project down
than it would have cost to finish it.


This make me think you are yet another Republican.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superco...Super_Collider

Says that "the cost projection exceeded 12 billion" and at the time of
shutdown "nearly two billion dollars had already been spent on the
massive facility".

No way did it take 10 billion dollars to fill in a hole that too less
than 2 billion dollars to dig.

Tell the truth, don't be Republican.
  #56  
Old September 13th 08, 09:02 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment
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On 13 Sep, 15:22, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Damon Hill wrote:

:Ian Parker wrote in

ups.com:
:

Ian is an idiot, which he is about to prove once again. *Why waste
time rebutting his lunacy?

:
: I think the US is falling behind both Europe and Asia. I
: think there are a number of reasons.
:
: 1) The failure to build a supercollider.
:
:Too busy building advanced semiconductor fabs--those are
:hugely expensive.
:

Well, no. *Semiconductor fabs are privately funded. *The supercollider
was publicly funded. *Not even money out of the same pocket.

In point of fact, it cost more to shut the supercollider project down
than it would have cost to finish it. *It got shut down by a
Democratic Congress that was ****ed off that Texas dared to replace a
Democratic Senator (Bob Krueger, appointed by Ann Richards to replace
Lloyd Bentsen) with a Republican (Kay Bailey Hutchison) and wanted to
exact a revenge against the State of Texas.


Well if that is the case it is indeed a case in point. If Science in
itself were valued such a thing would not occur. In any case - What
about all the money earmarked for a lunar base and a maned trip to
Mars. What about Ares which does not seem to work. These are all
public projects.

Most countries have had a mixed economy as regards Science. Government
pays for blue skies stuff, private enterprise pays for the next 5
years. As far as CERN is concerned, not only was there the main
project there is also the Grid. Now I know you are going to say that
private enterprise should create Grids. I think they will.

Could I also point out that the country with the fastest broadband
access is S Korea. The US is falling down the broadband league. Grids
will ultimately mean less commuting and the possibility of
videoconferencing at home. If you don't dig the Higgs boson, you can
at least videoconference at home.

: 2) Creationalism, the view that the World is no older than
: the Ice Age.
:
:Quite a lot of people here, most in fact, don't believe in
:that. Still, the fundamentalist conservatives are inhibiting
rogress.
:

How?

In quite a few ways. The public perception of Science is important.
Students need to be encouraged to go into Science. If they see a
government that sems to be wavering in its enthusiasm students will
take the cue.

The Government does in fact dispose of a vast amount of money in
publicly funded research, both though universities and through "big
science". You may not like this and you may well be right. I would
have thought it obvious that the head of NASA (and his boss) should
not believe that you cannot see beyong the Ice Age (3KPa).

The Republican contender has chosed such a person to replace him
should his ticker fail. McCain seems to

1) Show a complete contempt for Science and scientific truth. No
respectable scientist should EVER consider voting for him.

2) The American people seem to have taken 3KPa to their heart. Why?
: 3) Governmenr interference with things like Stem Cell
: research.
:
:Got more specific examples; this seems trivial by itself.
:

It's less than trivial. *There's been no "government interference".
There's merely been a lack of government interference in the opposite
direction; a failure to subsidize it, rather than interference to
prevent it.


This is not entirely true. Science operates in a mixed economy. One
normally expects universities (publicly funded) to do this sort of
research. If you don't have university departments doing it students
will go elsewhere.

Does the abscence of stem cell research affect the rest of biology?
Yes and no? If a whole field is not being taught students will go
elsewhere. You could I suppose do it in industry, but it is better for
industry to simply go to Europe or Asia. Furthermore if the feeling
goes round that establishment X is excellant for biology, that will be
where the best biological researchers will congregate.

: 4) The US is now a lot less welcoming to foreigners than it
: was in the time of Kennedy.
:
:You don't live here, do you? *Spanish has become the 2nd
:national language by default. *We're not as bilingual as
:Canada but our economic wealth attracts much immigration.
:

And 'foreigners' who actually have something to offer don't find it
difficult at all to come here.

I am not al all sure. Whether you are good or not the process is
bureaucratic. If you get a firm offer from Europe or Asia that is
where you will go.

As I said ultimately demography (300 million as against 1.3 billion
Chinese) will tell against the US) will tell and (eventually) the US
is bound to decline. However the decline in the Bush years has been
astonishing in its speed.


- Ian Parker
  #57  
Old September 13th 08, 09:25 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment
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phil hays wrote:
Fred J. McCall wrote:

In point of fact, it cost more to shut the supercollider project down
than it would have cost to finish it.


This make me think you are yet another Republican.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superco...Super_Collider

Says that "the cost projection exceeded 12 billion" and at the time of
shutdown "nearly two billion dollars had already been spent on the
massive facility".

No way did it take 10 billion dollars to fill in a hole that too less
than 2 billion dollars to dig.

Tell the truth, don't be Republican.


Lying is part of the educational curricula in America today.

I'm pretty sure they didn't tear anything down and fill in the hole.

These kinds of monstrosities are hard to sell after they fail, for
instance, Biosphere II, etc. People are still stupid enough, though.

The Europeans can have their high energy accelerators.

http://xdb.lbl.gov/Section2/Sec_2-2.html

http://www.src.wisc.edu/about/erowe.htm

You'll just have to trust me that this is where the real competition is.

Clearly the trend is towards lower energy, for example, the real world :

http://www.wifel.wisc.edu/

I'll see you there ... in the future!

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Old September 13th 08, 09:47 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:55:50 GMT, phil hays
wrote:

Fred J. McCall wrote:

In point of fact, it cost more to shut the supercollider project down
than it would have cost to finish it.


This make me think you are yet another Republican.


....He and Eric Chumpko are a long-known and long-derided married troll
couple who tend to take out their lover's spats on usenet. Just
killfile the two of them and put them out of our misery, please.


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  #59  
Old September 14th 08, 02:11 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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phil hays wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:
: In point of fact, it cost more to shut the supercollider project down
: than it would have cost to finish it.
:
:This make me think you are yet another Republican.
:

This makes me think you're just another political shill.

:
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superco...Super_Collider
:
:Says that "the cost projection exceeded 12 billion" and at the time of
:shutdown "nearly two billion dollars had already been spent on the
:massive facility".
:

They're wrong.

:
:No way did it take 10 billion dollars to fill in a hole that too less
:than 2 billion dollars to dig.
:
:Tell the truth, don't be Republican.
:

Learn something about how this stuff works instead of just spouting
political bull****. Don't be just another mindless political shill.

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your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
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Old September 14th 08, 02:15 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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OM wrote:

:On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:55:50 GMT, phil hays
:wrote:
:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:
: In point of fact, it cost more to shut the supercollider project down
: than it would have cost to finish it.
:
:This make me think you are yet another Republican.
:
:...He and Eric Chumpko are a long-known and long-derided married troll
:couple who tend to take out their lover's spats on usenet. Just
:killfile the two of them and put them out of our misery, please.
:

I see OM is still a lying ****.

Killfile everyone he wants you to and the only person left will be
him...

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your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
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