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...Article...Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
Looks like a classic trial balloon to me, to cancel the stick and go with EELV's to me! Contrary to what the article says, cancelling the stick means cancelling the moon...imho. I've said many times, it's the Chinese that's driving our space policy now and right into the hands of the Pentagon. ................................. Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link Demian Mclean - Fri Jan 2, 3:58 pm ET (Excerpts) Obama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 2015, according to people who've discussed the idea with the Obama team. Obama has said the Pentagon's space program -- which spent about $22 billion in fiscal year 2008, almost a third more than NASA's budget -- could be tapped to speed the civilian agency toward its goals as the recession pressures federal spending. The potential change comes as Pentagon concerns are rising over China's space ambitions because of what is perceived as an eventual threat to U.S. defense satellites, the lofty battlefield eyes of the military. To boost cooperation between NASA and the Pentagon, Obama has promised to revive the National Aeronautics and Space Council, which oversaw the entire space arena for four presidents, most actively from 1958 to 1973. http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20...g/aovrno0oj41g |
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...Article...Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:38:25 -0500, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Looks like a classic trial balloon to me, to cancel the stick and go with EELV's to me! Contrary to what the article says, cancelling the stick means cancelling the moon...imho. I've said many times, it's the Chinese that's driving our space policy now and right into the hands of the Pentagon. ................................ Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link Demian Mclean - Fri Jan 2, 3:58 pm ET (Excerpts) Obama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 2015, according to people who've discussed the idea with the Obama team. That's an idiotic article. The reporter has no clue about either space policy in general, or what the Obama transition team plans. There is no "collaboration" required between the AF and NASA for them to use EELVs, and it has nothing to do with China. NASA has been using EELVs all along. |
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...Article...Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:38:25 -0500, in a place far, far away, "jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Looks like a classic trial balloon to me, to cancel the stick and go with EELV's to me! Contrary to what the article says, cancelling the stick means cancelling the moon...imho. I've said many times, it's the Chinese that's driving our space policy now and right into the hands of the Pentagon. ................................ Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link Demian Mclean - Fri Jan 2, 3:58 pm ET (Excerpts) Obama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 2015, according to people who've discussed the idea with the Obama team. That's an idiotic article. The reporter has no clue about either space policy in general, or what the Obama transition team plans. There is no "collaboration" required between the AF and NASA for them to use EELVs, and it has nothing to do with China. NASA has been using EELVs all along. ' The comment about "Pentagon EELV's" was kinda odd. I thought they were built by Boeing/Lockheed. But this looks like something the administration might 'leak' out and see what happens. With the key point being canceling the stick in favor of EELV's. And the key justification for new policy being the Chinese 'space race' amidst tight economic conditions. So in trying to figure out what might become of NASA policy, we should be trying to figure out what the military wants and needs. Which I believe means putting an end to the new Ares rockets. And replacing the shuttle with EELV's, for the short term, with the long term program becoming the military space plane instead of a moon shot. |
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...Article...Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:15:03 -0500, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:38:25 -0500, in a place far, far away, "jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Looks like a classic trial balloon to me, to cancel the stick and go with EELV's to me! Contrary to what the article says, cancelling the stick means cancelling the moon...imho. I've said many times, it's the Chinese that's driving our space policy now and right into the hands of the Pentagon. ................................ Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link Demian Mclean - Fri Jan 2, 3:58 pm ET (Excerpts) Obama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 2015, according to people who've discussed the idea with the Obama team. That's an idiotic article. The reporter has no clue about either space policy in general, or what the Obama transition team plans. There is no "collaboration" required between the AF and NASA for them to use EELVs, and it has nothing to do with China. NASA has been using EELVs all along. ' The comment about "Pentagon EELV's" was kinda odd. I thought they were built by Boeing/Lockheed. They are. But this looks like something the administration might 'leak' out and see what happens. No, it's just an idiot reporter completely misinterpreting what he was told by the transition team. |
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...Article...Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
The headlines in other publications have gotten really crazy: "Report:
Obama May Merge NASA, Pentagon Space Programs" on Fox News. There are even more sensational examples... none of them with a basis in reality. It all started with this Bloomberg item saying the Obama administration might turn the mission of launching NASA's Orion capsule from the planned Ares I over to "military rockets" - the Atlas or Delta EELVs - " because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle." Other outlets picked up on Bloomberg and took it to the point of alleging a "merger" without ever noticing the premise was wrong and that no merger is even being contemplated. The Bloomberg story as spectacularly uninformed. The Atlas and Delta EELVs are not purely military rockets: NASA can purchase them commercially from United Launch Alliance (ULA) any time they want. EELVs carry commercial satellites and NASA payloads like the GOES series. What NASA would have to pay ULA to do is build a man-rated version, which the Pentagon has no interest in. It's also not clear where NASA and DoD ties need to be closer: they cooperate every day on everything from range operations to the significant military support to shuttle launches to missions like Orbital Express and vehicles like the X-43. Matt Bille Freelance space writer/historian http://mattbille.blogspot.com |
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...Article...Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:14:03 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Matt made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: The headlines in other publications have gotten really crazy: "Report: Obama May Merge NASA, Pentagon Space Programs" on Fox News. There are even more sensational examples... none of them with a basis in reality. It all started with this Bloomberg item saying the Obama administration might turn the mission of launching NASA's Orion capsule from the planned Ares I over to "military rockets" - the Atlas or Delta EELVs - " because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle." Other outlets picked up on Bloomberg and took it to the point of alleging a "merger" without ever noticing the premise was wrong and that no merger is even being contemplated. The Bloomberg story as spectacularly uninformed. The Atlas and Delta EELVs are not purely military rockets: NASA can purchase them commercially from United Launch Alliance (ULA) any time they want. EELVs carry commercial satellites and NASA payloads like the GOES series. What NASA would have to pay ULA to do is build a man-rated version, which the Pentagon has no interest in. It's also not clear where NASA and DoD ties need to be closer: they cooperate every day on everything from range operations to the significant military support to shuttle launches to missions like Orbital Express and vehicles like the X-43. I agree. In fact, I'll have a piece tomorrow at Pajamas Media completely debunking this nonsense. |
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...Article...Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:14:03 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Matt made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: The headlines in other publications have gotten really crazy: "Report: Obama May Merge NASA, Pentagon Space Programs" on Fox News. There are even more sensational examples... none of them with a basis in reality. It all started with this Bloomberg item saying the Obama administration might turn the mission of launching NASA's Orion capsule from the planned Ares I over to "military rockets" - the Atlas or Delta EELVs - " because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle." Other outlets picked up on Bloomberg and took it to the point of alleging a "merger" without ever noticing the premise was wrong and that no merger is even being contemplated. The Bloomberg story as spectacularly uninformed. The Atlas and Delta EELVs are not purely military rockets: NASA can purchase them commercially from United Launch Alliance (ULA) any time they want. EELVs carry commercial satellites and NASA payloads like the GOES series. What NASA would have to pay ULA to do is build a man-rated version, which the Pentagon has no interest in. It's also not clear where NASA and DoD ties need to be closer: they cooperate every day on everything from range operations to the significant military support to shuttle launches to missions like Orbital Express and vehicles like the X-43. Here's my piece on this silliness today: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/media-b...as-nasa-plans/ |
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...Article...Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
"Matt" wrote in message ... The headlines in other publications have gotten really crazy: "Report: Obama May Merge NASA, Pentagon Space Programs" on Fox News. There are even more sensational examples... none of them with a basis in reality. It all started with this Bloomberg item saying the Obama administration might turn the mission of launching NASA's Orion capsule from the planned Ares I over to "military rockets" - the Atlas or Delta EELVs - " because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle." Other outlets picked up on Bloomberg and took it to the point of alleging a "merger" without ever noticing the premise was wrong and that no merger is even being contemplated. The Bloomberg story as spectacularly uninformed. The Atlas and Delta EELVs are not purely military rockets: NASA can purchase them commercially from United Launch Alliance (ULA) any time they want. EELVs carry commercial satellites and NASA payloads like the GOES series. What NASA would have to pay ULA to do is build a man-rated version, which the Pentagon has no interest in. It's also not clear where NASA and DoD ties need to be closer: they cooperate every day on everything from range operations to the significant military support to shuttle launches to missions like Orbital Express and vehicles like the X-43. All that is true, but it misses the point. This has every aspect of a trial balloon coming indirectly from the incoming administration. Neal Lane is quoted and is most definitely an insider, not just another talking head. http://clinton2.nara.gov/WH/EOP/OSTP/html/lanebio.html The point of this article seems to be that both NASA and the military want new launchers, but we shouldn't hold our breath on getting both Ares and some military space plane. Since national security and economic needs will have the priority. And if this is a trial balloon, it doesn't take much reading between the lines to see that Ares 5 at least and the moon are already history. And our next generation of launchers will be EELV's for now and some new military space plane down the road. Maybe the first true space plane...at last. And I'm all for it, I think it's the smart thing to do. And I believe Obama can be counted on to make intelligent decisions that make sense. Our future needs low cost to orbit, and it most certainly is NOT in conventional liquid/solid fueled rockets. If for no other reason than the pollution from the massive numbers of flights required for significantly exploiting space in the future. We should be continuing on the X-33 - X-47 path to some more advanced space plane. Matt Bille Freelance space writer/historian http://mattbille.blogspot.com |
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...Article...Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:14:03 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away, Matt made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: The headlines in other publications have gotten really crazy: "Report: Obama May Merge NASA, Pentagon Space Programs" on Fox News. There are even more sensational examples... none of them with a basis in reality. It all started with this Bloomberg item saying the Obama administration might turn the mission of launching NASA's Orion capsule from the planned Ares I over to "military rockets" - the Atlas or Delta EELVs - " because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle." Other outlets picked up on Bloomberg and took it to the point of alleging a "merger" without ever noticing the premise was wrong and that no merger is even being contemplated. The Bloomberg story as spectacularly uninformed. The Atlas and Delta EELVs are not purely military rockets: NASA can purchase them commercially from United Launch Alliance (ULA) any time they want. EELVs carry commercial satellites and NASA payloads like the GOES series. What NASA would have to pay ULA to do is build a man-rated version, which the Pentagon has no interest in. It's also not clear where NASA and DoD ties need to be closer: they cooperate every day on everything from range operations to the significant military support to shuttle launches to missions like Orbital Express and vehicles like the X-43. I agree. In fact, I'll have a piece tomorrow at Pajamas Media completely debunking this nonsense. Good luck, Obama trial balloons are floating all over the place right now, from one end of his agenda to the other. This has all the earmarks of the administration floating early policy to see the reaction. |
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...Article...Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... Here's my piece on this silliness today: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/media-b...as-nasa-plans/ You wrote... "The only problem with this is that - unless they are talking about some other vehicles, and if so, it's hard to imagine what they are - the EELVs aren't "military rockets." The military is launching the little X-47b next month. Why? Just to blow a hundred million? Come on! Wake up and smell what's brewing! The military has made it clear they want a far more advanced and capable spacecraft then envisioned with either the X-33 or 47b. |
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