Phil on CNN webiste Hoagland et al

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/spa...unk/index.html

Nice bit Phil.

But you are up against a pro here. Hoagland is a seasoned pro. Backed by two arch angels,
and a crew of other angels maybe 15 affectionately called the Pros from Dover,
(all from a type III civilization) and some earthly telepaths (reincarnated from the
same civilization) and psychics and 55,000 Eshcelon employees.

Some of this bunch you see here everyday. The "you are a kook squad" for instance
are some of their useful idiots.

And besides, Hoagland is not an evil doer. However, he is sucked in completely
by this type III civilization and his religion and his idealism is all tied in with
his actions.

The NSA doesn't just want to control both sides of the coin, they want
the edges of the coin as well. That is where Rense and Hoagland come in.
Wittingly or unwittingly they become useful to steer the fringe.

The power of a type III civilization is quite dramatic. Telepaths, and even
capable of creating and projecting imagery and text in the way of visions
etc. That is the two, what we would refer to as arch angels, are very highly
developed psychically and they can communicate with imagery
and even orchestrate dreams. Lucid dreams, which can be as real as
waking relaity. So truly earthlings with normal consciousness cannot
compete with a type III civilization which has an agenda.

What made me suspect Hoagland was his piece about Antartica
from a couple years ago on Art Bell.

(Available on peer to peer networks or in the Bell archives.)

Now Hoagland is a very intelligent man, and when he first mentioned
that the NSA were in Antartica, and then stated that two planes had been
used to evacuate people under mysterious circumstances,
and that perhaps something had been found. A craft or relics of an
advanced civilization.

Then on Art Bell on the air he requested that people - anyone - who knows anyone
in Antartcica, should contact them and ask them what is going on
by email.

Art said, "Well if the NSA is there that is a fruitless excersize, as all email will
be checked"

Hoagland said, yes but it is worth a try.

What was he trying to do?

Find potential security leaks.

You are had Richard.

But I love your stuff nonetheless. And so do the masses, so don't stop being you.

For any who are on line in the loop...
There are two civilizations we are in contact with.

A type III, and a type IX.

The type III works to interfere with communications between people
and the type IX civilization for whatever reason. Both are reasonably benign,
the type III civilization being akin to the Illuminati.

They are mistaken on many counts in particular that any bloodline has anything
at all to do with who people are. People reincarnate and bloodlines don't mean
squat. Sorry to burst your bubble but that is just the reality of it all.
See David Icke for as complete an investigation as you could want,
but keep in mind that you are dealing with a type III civilization with
awseome powers to disinform and debunk, and dissuade and confuse.

A couple weeks ago, a few of us had contact with this type IX civilization,
and we went somewhere for dinner, in a real lucid dream in the first person.
Immediately after that experience, we were given a second lucid dream
recreation in the third person, by the type III civilization, to
try and make the memory of the experience fade and cause us to
question the reality of the experience.

All I can say to them, (and I know them well, is nice try fellas :-)

We are quickly reaching a point where they are being exposed.

And as I say they are not particularly bad, they just want to preserve
the status quo, and all that entails. Including the aristocracy,
the banking, finance, stocks, the work week, industrialization,
big oil, and all the things you see in the modern military
industrialized complex.

Be a pawn if you wish to be people. Myself, I look a bit higher for my morals
and ethics.

-*-

A bit more info for people who like to understand things better...

Original inhabitants, black africans other early hominids - according
to the archaeological record, and excluding totally out of place
artifacts such as gold necklaces found in solid rock, and human footprints
with dinosaurs and metal balls in rock and numerous other anomalies,
which could just as easily be transporter malfunctions, like perhaps
Ed Conrads stuff, or even Philadelphia experiment type of effects,
or John Hutchison Effect, or Tesla experiments, and effects of that
nature, where wormholes might have existed, by chance or even time
travel might be reposible for all we know.

So essentially, black africans lets say Lucy.

Then about 2 million years ago, a type II civilization arrived and had
advanced technology, but their civilization was destroyed over time,
but the second world, the middle east, India, Pakistan, and the
not quite dark races, but they formed the first known civilizations,
although very little is left of these civilizations.

Major upheavals over time reduced much of it to rubble such as
ice sheets grinding the surface to bits etc.

I do not know exactly where the asian races come from but chances
are they arrived as well within the last 100,000 years.
Single fold eye lids, different color skin, and different thought patterns,
cultural behaviour and the like.

About the time of Noah, the type III civilization arrives, and brings
their own ideas of civilization and does what they can to erase the previous
and set themselves up as the aristocracy, behind the scenes.

Sumer and Mesopotamia etc. The one defining characteristic of this
civilization is that they do not under any circumstances embrace the truth.
The abhor the truth completely. They see lies as the most effective tool
for achieving their goals. And using this simple technique, easily rise above
all the other inhabitants who abhor a lie.

No one race is responsible because people interbreed and only by continued
contact with the Type III civilization and by their elitism have they maintained
control.

They used organized religion as a means to control the masses and then
expanded that into governments and law and civil society.

All of the modern world was shaped by them over the years, and they
have sat in places of authority and prestige and reaped the benefits of
the good life. with the earth as their paradise. Lacking in morals
and ethics in the way that wars were often used and conflicts of
all sorts to pit one group against another in their conquest of
the earth.

Not wanting to defeat the people of the earth, but merely to
live here in wealth and power as lords over the earth.

This Type III civilization has over the ages often been in conflict
with the Type II civilization and they still are today, but they are
no so completely distant from each other to be totally at war, with
each being close enough to have defectors on each side.

Money being the great equalizer and the control of wealth, being
the major tool of supremacy over the populace.

At this point the system is now almost self supporting.

That is after a couple of generations as have passed, it has
taken on a life of its own. Almost to the point where it would
take full calamity to change the system. It is even beyond the
power of the Type III civilization to change it.

Just as an independantly wealthy person would never give
up their wealth, neither can the system itself be stopped.

And even if one did, there are millions who would not.

The Bible and these stories which they have used to seat themselves
has become so much a part of society and its laws and
its governance, that it would be almost impossible now
to convince people that it was written and compiled by men,
by this Type III civilization.

Keep in mind, for all intents and purposes, two of them at least,
have the power associated with arch angels, and they can
and do make believers with their powers. So science will
not convince someone who comes in contact with an arch angel
that angels do not exist.

So examine the doctrine.

It is designed to do exactly what has occurred. To build and construct
and develop this planet and for a society, a civilization
of Type III status, all the while the people themselves
are kept at type 0 status.

However some have made contact with type IX civilization and these
have been akin to the Gods.

But they do not generally interfere with the Type III civilization
conquests etc, having a larger longer picture, of humanity,
as it transcends from one life to another.

Type III think you only have one life to live, so bloodlines are inportant,
and live while you can.

Type IX civilizations say, whats your hurry, this too shall pass,
eternity is a very long time.

In between that we periodicaly have contact with other civilizations
and some might fancy a type 10 civilization of scientists being here
etc, but a type IX civilization can do such things as you would
not believe, and those of the belief in the type 10 civilization
of scientists, usually just get totally blown away when they
witness some of the things a type IX civilization is capable of.

Honesty is the way to correct things. Keep in mind that the Type III
civilization abhors the truth. So tell the truth and they are powerless.

But you will see that now there are so many people with a vested
interest in their success or their own livlihoods are tied in so intimately
that they too when faced with the tough decisions, choose
self preservation and lie like rugs.

So truth becomes like a small voice crying out in the wilderness,
and totally obscured, by traffic and noise.

But not for all.

Some can see through haze, and can hear through the noise,
and in fact things are getting better.

At a snails pace. No much much slower than that actually.

While people live and die and work and die and slave and die
and fight and die, and never know what the heck happened,
or why.

"Rick Sobie" wrote in message newsYu6c.105656$Up2.2117@pd7tw1no...
A bit more info for people who like to understand things better...

Original inhabitants, black africans other early hominids - according
to the archaeological record, and excluding totally out of place
artifacts such as gold necklaces found in solid rock, and human footprints
with dinosaurs and metal balls in rock and numerous other anomalies,
which could just as easily be transporter malfunctions, like perhaps
Ed Conrads stuff, or even Philadelphia experiment type of effects,
or John Hutchison Effect, or Tesla experiments, and effects of that
nature, where wormholes might have existed, by chance or even time
travel might be reposible for all we know.

So essentially, black africans lets say Lucy.

Then about 2 million years ago, a type II civilization arrived and had
advanced technology, but their civilization was destroyed over time,
but the second world, the middle east, India, Pakistan, and the
not quite dark races, but they formed the first known civilizations,
although very little is left of these civilizations.

Major upheavals over time reduced much of it to rubble such as
ice sheets grinding the surface to bits etc.

I do not know exactly where the asian races come from but chances
are they arrived as well within the last 100,000 years.
Single fold eye lids, different color skin, and different thought patterns,
cultural behaviour and the like.

About the time of Noah, the type III civilization arrives, and brings
their own ideas of civilization and does what they can to erase the previous
and set themselves up as the aristocracy, behind the scenes.

Sumer and Mesopotamia etc. The one defining characteristic of this
civilization is that they do not under any circumstances embrace the truth.
The abhor the truth completely. They see lies as the most effective tool
for achieving their goals. And using this simple technique, easily rise above
all the other inhabitants who abhor a lie.

No one race is responsible because people interbreed and only by continued
contact with the Type III civilization and by their elitism have they maintained
control.

They used organized religion as a means to control the masses and then
expanded that into governments and law and civil society.

All of the modern world was shaped by them over the years, and they
have sat in places of authority and prestige and reaped the benefits of
the good life. with the earth as their paradise. Lacking in morals
and ethics in the way that wars were often used and conflicts of
all sorts to pit one group against another in their conquest of
the earth.

Not wanting to defeat the people of the earth, but merely to
live here in wealth and power as lords over the earth.

This Type III civilization has over the ages often been in conflict
with the Type II civilization and they still are today, but they are
no so completely distant from each other to be totally at war, with
each being close enough to have defectors on each side.

Money being the great equalizer and the control of wealth, being
the major tool of supremacy over the populace.

At this point the system is now almost self supporting.

That is after a couple of generations as have passed, it has
taken on a life of its own. Almost to the point where it would
take full calamity to change the system. It is even beyond the
power of the Type III civilization to change it.

Just as an independantly wealthy person would never give
up their wealth, neither can the system itself be stopped.

And even if one did, there are millions who would not.

The Bible and these stories which they have used to seat themselves
has become so much a part of society and its laws and
its governance, that it would be almost impossible now
to convince people that it was written and compiled by men,
by this Type III civilization.

Keep in mind, for all intents and purposes, two of them at least,
have the power associated with arch angels, and they can
and do make believers with their powers. So science will
not convince someone who comes in contact with an arch angel
that angels do not exist.

So examine the doctrine.

It is designed to do exactly what has occurred. To build and construct
and develop this planet and for a society, a civilization
of Type III status, all the while the people themselves
are kept at type 0 status.

However some have made contact with type IX civilization and these
have been akin to the Gods.

But they do not generally interfere with the Type III civilization
conquests etc, having a larger longer picture, of humanity,
as it transcends from one life to another.

Type III think you only have one life to live, so bloodlines are inportant,
and live while you can.

Type IX civilizations say, whats your hurry, this too shall pass,
eternity is a very long time.

In between that we periodicaly have contact with other civilizations
and some might fancy a type 10 civilization of scientists being here
etc, but a type IX civilization can do such things as you would
not believe, and those of the belief in the type 10 civilization
of scientists, usually just get totally blown away when they
witness some of the things a type IX civilization is capable of.

Honesty is the way to correct things. Keep in mind that the Type III
civilization abhors the truth. So tell the truth and they are powerless.

But you will see that now there are so many people with a vested
interest in their success or their own livlihoods are tied in so intimately
that they too when faced with the tough decisions, choose
self preservation and lie like rugs.

So truth becomes like a small voice crying out in the wilderness,
and totally obscured, by traffic and noise.

But not for all.

Some can see through haze, and can hear through the noise,
and in fact things are getting better.

At a snails pace. No much much slower than that actually.

While people live and die and work and die and slave and die
and fight and die, and never know what the heck happened,
or why.


And in fact there may not be two arch angels or two people from a type III
civilization at all, but merely one, who can take on the personality of
whoever he wants through his or even her personal powers.

If you examine Dr. Kaku's website, you will see that a type III civilization is
immortal. I think though that when they reicarnate and are in this form,
they are not much different than you or I, except their powers are
greatly reduced. But as long as there is one type III who is just spirit,
that is all you need here on earth to convince people you have an army
of angels, or a heirarchy of angels or two or several arch angels.

Just as the Republicans and Democrats battle it out at election time,
but nothing ever changes, and the agenda marches on undaunted.

And it has gone forth and multiplied and pretty much conquered the
earth.

You could say that China is the exception, but they are not much different,
adhering to the same calander, the same work week, time zones,
and are even quickly being absorbed/pressured into the financial world
of organized banking and high finance and trade agreements, and their
culture is wany away. Recently giving up their mistresses as an example
of the encroachment of Christianity into their homes.

Christianity by itself, is a higher form of civilization, but it is not
practcied by those in power. It is sold to the masses to make them
easily controllable.

A type IX civilization could not exist without it, because they would
and could easily destroy each other if they did not practice it.

Puny humans are not powerful enough to practice Christianity for self
preservation amongst other emmensly powerful entities, and thus become
enslaved by those who practice a different philosophy based on the will
to power. Dressed up as democracy, aristocracy, and the like.

In order to be truly Christian, you have to be immortal and powerful,
and know it. But as a human of a type 0 civilization you might find
happiness with it, but then you would be in the very small minority of
people who did. Most roast in fires, or die on the cross figuratively or literally.

Can you rise above type 0 status and live a full life outside the box?

As long as you don't do so in groups larger than about 5 people you will
be fine. Otherwise you will find yourself gone like Jonestown - who
was no match for an arch angel, or Waco - same, or heavens gate - same
or etc.

Look at Sadaam and say to yourself, there but for the good sense to stay the heck
out of it, go I.

People are so easily caught into the game of wealth and power, when they truly
have no power at all as humans. So they become pawns. Melosevik and
name any other tyrant, and you will probably find they were enticed
with greed and power and then when they were no longer useful, found
themselves in a real bad situation as an evil doer, without any friends.

But the agenda marches on. Until what point though? When is enough constrcution?

They like it as is now.

They just want to maintain it. At any cost.By they I mean the usual wealthy 1%.

Now you might look at the situtaion and like many Christians be
praying for deliverance.

Keep in mind whose masterful work the Bible really was.

With all its control mechanisms for any occasion.

But are things really so bad?

The modern world affords many opportunities, we have things like
aspirin, that some tribes in Africa can only dream about.

We have computers, the Internet, we have the Hubble, and Nasa
and police that you can call and most times they are there to serve
and protect.

We have education and more.

It is because we have seen evidence of a type IX civilization that this type
III civilization seems so bad. Otherwise we would embrace it and fight our way
to success with brute force and the will to power ourselves.

But some of us are made of different stuff. And even at that our conscience
would not permit it.

So what you see is the Type III people fighting for wealth and power and the
rest trying to live with them and not get shot in the process.

Unfortunately often a type III civilization is self destructive. They often destroy
themselves with in fighting. And many of the rest of the populations become
collateral damage.

In the end I suppose we have to live together, and be thankful that the arch
angels we have from this Type III civilization are reasonably good guys,
with some plan, of development. If it wasn't for them, we might be
living in huts today without flush toilets and not knowing where our next
meal was coming from, or if we would see our 40 th birthday.

TV, radio, the Internet, intellectual persuit, games, sports, recreation,
medicine, the list is quite extensive.

But I will admit, that there are limits to the amount of complexity that a
type III civilzation can handle and they are at that level now.

9/11 was their meltdown event.

But they still hang in there, and do the best they can. But each day they
who are in power, live more and more in fear of catastrophy.
And that drives them towards totalitarianism.

So we will see what we will see. At least with more openness and
some admittance that they are not infallable, and that they need cooperation
to be better builders, and better managers, can only help.

And who would you have manage 6 billion people anyways, but the most
powerful, most wise, and most experienced, and that is them.

Whats in it for them?

Whats in it for you when you play Sim City?

"Rick Sobie" wrote in message
news:5%t6c.105185$Up2.59353@pd7tw1no...

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/spa...unk/index.html

Nice bit Phil.

But you are up against a pro here. Hoagland is a seasoned pro. Backed by
two arch angels,
and a crew of other angels maybe 15 affectionately called the Pros from
Dover,
(all from a type III civilization) and some earthly telepaths
(reincarnated from the
same civilization) and psychics and 55,000 Eshcelon employees.

Some of this bunch you see here everyday. The "you are a kook squad" for
instance
are some of their useful idiots.

And besides, Hoagland is not an evil doer. However, he is sucked in
completely
by this type III civilization and his religion and his idealism is all
tied in with
his actions.

The NSA doesn't just want to control both sides of the coin, they want
the edges of the coin as well. That is where Rense and Hoagland come in.
Wittingly or unwittingly they become useful to steer the fringe.

The power of a type III civilization is quite dramatic. Telepaths, and
even
capable of creating and projecting imagery and text in the way of visions
etc. That is the two, what we would refer to as arch angels, are very
highly
developed psychically and they can communicate with imagery
and even orchestrate dreams. Lucid dreams, which can be as real as
waking relaity. So truly earthlings with normal consciousness cannot
compete with a type III civilization which has an agenda.

What made me suspect Hoagland was his piece about Antartica
from a couple years ago on Art Bell.

(Available on peer to peer networks or in the Bell archives.)

Now Hoagland is a very intelligent man, and when he first mentioned
that the NSA were in Antartica, and then stated that two planes had been
used to evacuate people under mysterious circumstances,
and that perhaps something had been found. A craft or relics of an
advanced civilization.

Then on Art Bell on the air he requested that people - anyone - who knows
anyone
in Antartcica, should contact them and ask them what is going on
by email.

Art said, "Well if the NSA is there that is a fruitless excersize, as all
email will
be checked"

Hoagland said, yes but it is worth a try.

What was he trying to do?

Find potential security leaks.

You are had Richard.

But I love your stuff nonetheless. And so do the masses, so don't stop
being you.

For any who are on line in the loop...
There are two civilizations we are in contact with.

A type III, and a type IX.

The type III works to interfere with communications between people
and the type IX civilization for whatever reason. Both are reasonably
benign,
the type III civilization being akin to the Illuminati.

They are mistaken on many counts in particular that any bloodline has
anything
at all to do with who people are. People reincarnate and bloodlines don't
mean
squat. Sorry to burst your bubble but that is just the reality of it all.
See David Icke for as complete an investigation as you could want,
but keep in mind that you are dealing with a type III civilization with
awseome powers to disinform and debunk, and dissuade and confuse.

A couple weeks ago, a few of us had contact with this type IX
civilization,
and we went somewhere for dinner, in a real lucid dream in the first
person.
Immediately after that experience, we were given a second lucid dream
recreation in the third person, by the type III civilization, to
try and make the memory of the experience fade and cause us to
question the reality of the experience.

All I can say to them, (and I know them well, is nice try fellas :-)

We are quickly reaching a point where they are being exposed.

And as I say they are not particularly bad, they just want to preserve
the status quo, and all that entails. Including the aristocracy,
the banking, finance, stocks, the work week, industrialization,
big oil, and all the things you see in the modern military
industrialized complex.

Be a pawn if you wish to be people. Myself, I look a bit higher for my
morals
and ethics.


That was the finest prose ever.


-*-

"bob" wrote in message news:WJB6c.37973$JL2.440935@attbi_s03...

What made me suspect Hoagland was his piece about Antartica
from a couple years ago on Art Bell.

(Available on peer to peer networks or in the Bell archives.)

Now Hoagland is a very intelligent man, and when he first mentioned
that the NSA were in Antartica, and then stated that two planes had been
used to evacuate people under mysterious circumstances,
and that perhaps something had been found. A craft or relics of an
advanced civilization.

Then on Art Bell on the air he requested that people - anyone - who knows
anyone
in Antartcica, should contact them and ask them what is going on
by email.

Art said, "Well if the NSA is there that is a fruitless excersize, as all
email will
be checked"

Hoagland said, yes but it is worth a try.

What was he trying to do?

Find potential security leaks.

You are had Richard.

snip

And as I say they are not particularly bad, they just want to preserve
the status quo, and all that entails. Including the aristocracy,
the banking, finance, stocks, the work week, industrialization,
big oil, and all the things you see in the modern military
industrialized complex.

Be a pawn if you wish to be people. Myself, I look a bit higher for my
morals
and ethics.


That was the finest prose ever.


Thanks bob. I would be willing to bet that RCH is gonna just keep on keepin on,
but I for one will be taking what he says in future with a little more salt.

(Up to now I had believed everything he was saying ;-)

Hoagland is only a pro at being a nut case.
Sadly enough there are plenty of other "nut cases" out
there just willing to buy alnmost anything.

That's how he earns his living by spinning these "Tall Tales".

When I was a teenager, there was this guy named Erich Von Daniken.
He wrote a few books on the premise that Extraterrestrials landed on Earth
and were taken by man as "Gods" and not mortal beings.

I thought it was interesting but had no idea that you could fabricate
anything and sell it as being "true".

Later, I found out the man had a notorious past.

The Universe is so vast that there could be other intelligent races
out there somewhere or there may not be or they are so very far away that
we will never meet.

Either way, it's an interesting question that has a meaning no matter what side
the truth is on.

bob wrote:

That was the finest prose ever.


Too bad there isn't a literary prize for incoherent gibberish.