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Old December 13th 11, 08:40 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.astro
Koobee Wublee
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On Dec 11, 7:43 am, Tom Roberts wrote:

Actually, GR has no aether (regardless of what some people around here think,
and independent of an aberrant quote from Einstein that some idiots around here
repeatedly reference, ignoring the whole body of his work).


Don’t be so sure. GR capitalizes on the spacetime equation which is a
concise way of writing down all four equations of the Lorentz
transform. However, Larmor’s transform also converge to the exact
same spacetime equation. Larmor’s transform does indicate the Aether,
for it does not satisfy the principle of relativity. To play God, you
need to understand more about the mathematics that leads to your model
of faith --- that fat castle in the air known as GR. shrug

For instance, any
aspect of the GR model you attempt to identify as "aether" has no energy
density, has no rest frame, and does not participate in electromagnetic
phenomena.


Larmor’s transform does indicate an absolute frame of reference.
shrug

In the FRW manifolds


Why are you continually dropping the ‘L’ (Lemaitre) from LFRW metric?
Do you despise religious folks that can do and understand GR better
than most physicists? Are you jealous of a Catholic priest that
understood the field equations inside out better than anyone else?
shrug

that are the basis of big-bang cosmology,


But FLRW does not satisfy Newtonian law of gravity at short
distances. So, it is just wrong. Excuse Him. He meant “invalid”.
shrug

the CMBR is
related to the surface of last scattering, and is isotropic in local coordinates
that are based on the cosmological time of the manifold. The CMBR is, as its
name implies, RADIATION, and is also not any sort of "aether". Yes, the CMBR is
detectable, but that only shows us our relationship to the surface of last
scattering, not any sort of "aether".


The absolute frame of reference should be just like another frame of
reference except it takes the advantage of having the Aether at rest.
The most important thing is that it still has to obey all laws of
physics just like others. Just what do you expect out of this
absolute frame of reference anyway? shrug
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Old December 13th 11, 08:51 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.astro
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On Dec 13, 3:40*pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On Dec 11, 7:43 am, Tom Roberts wrote:

Actually, GR has no aether (regardless of what some people around here think,
and independent of an aberrant quote from Einstein that some idiots around here
repeatedly reference, ignoring the whole body of his work).


Don’t be so sure. *GR capitalizes on the spacetime equation which is a
concise way of writing down all four equations of the Lorentz
transform. *However, Larmor’s transform also converge to the exact
same spacetime equation. *Larmor’s transform does indicate the Aether,
for it does not satisfy the principle of relativity. *To play God, you
need to understand more about the mathematics that leads to your model
of faith --- that fat castle in the air known as GR. *shrug

For instance, any
aspect of the GR model you attempt to identify as "aether" has no energy
density, has no rest frame, and does not participate in electromagnetic
phenomena.


Larmor’s transform does indicate an absolute frame of reference.
shrug

In the FRW manifolds


Why are you continually dropping the ‘L’ (Lemaitre) from LFRW metric?
Do you despise religious folks that can do and understand GR better
than most physicists? *Are you jealous of a Catholic priest that
understood the field equations inside out better than anyone else?
shrug

that are the basis of big-bang cosmology,


But FLRW does not satisfy Newtonian law of gravity at short
distances. *So, it is just wrong. *Excuse Him. *He meant “invalid”.
shrug

the CMBR is
related to the surface of last scattering, and is isotropic in local coordinates
that are based on the cosmological time of the manifold. The CMBR is, as its
name implies, RADIATION, and is also not any sort of "aether". Yes, the CMBR is
detectable, but that only shows us our relationship to the surface of last
scattering, not any sort of "aether".


The absolute frame of reference should be just like another frame of
reference except it takes the advantage of having the Aether at rest.
The most important thing is that it still has to obey all laws of
physics just like others. *Just what do you expect out of this
absolute frame of reference anyway? *shrug


There is zero evidence of an aether rest frame.
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Old December 14th 11, 01:10 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.astro
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it's just a simple phase-space,
easily analyzed with quaternions, at minimum,
which is vectors.

sheesh.
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Old December 14th 11, 01:20 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math,sci.astro
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On Dec 13, 8:10*pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane
wrote:
it's just a simple phase-space,
easily analyzed with quaternions, at minimum,
which is vectors.

sheesh.


Mathematics are used to represent what occurs physically in nature and
do not actually explain what is occurring physically in nature.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011...U_Voyager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like
cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity
of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar
space is compacting it."

Aether physically occupies three dimensional space and is physically
displaced by matter. The aether displaced by the solar system is
pushing back and exerting pressure inward toward the solar system.

The pushing back and pressure exerted inward toward the solar system
is evidence of the aether.

The pushing back and pressure exerted inward toward matter by aether
displaced by matter is gravity.

In de Broglie wave mechanics the particle is in continuous energetic
contact with a hidden medium. This energetic contact with a hidden
medium is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle has a well defined trajectory
which takes it through one slit while the associated aether wave
passes through both.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...ein_ether.html

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with
the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
state of displacement of the aether.
 




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