Biggest supermassive blackholes found yet!

One was found to be 9.7 billion solar masses, while the other one was
found to be a mind-blowing 21 billion solar masses! The previous
record-holder was *only* 6.3 billion solar masses. I think there were
some theories that suggested that they couldn't get past 10 billion
solar masses, so I guess those theories are blown out of the water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/sc...holes-yet.html

On 12/6/11 8:13 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
One was found to be 9.7 billion solar masses, while the other one was
found to be a mind-blowing 21 billion solar masses! The previous
record-holder was *only* 6.3 billion solar masses. I think there were
some theories that suggested that they couldn't get past 10 billion
solar masses, so I guess those theories are blown out of the water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/sc...holes-yet.html


There is no theory that puts a limit on black hole size, Yousuf.

On Dec 6, 6:13*am, Yousuf Khan wrote:
One was found to be 9.7 billion solar masses, while the other one was
found to be a mind-blowing 21 billion solar masses! The previous
record-holder was *only* 6.3 billion solar masses. I think there were
some theories that suggested that they couldn't get past 10 billion
solar masses, so I guess those theories are blown out of the water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/sc...mers-find-bigg...

The mass of whatever progenitor stars that created such a 21 billion
solar mass black hole had to be worth at least 16 fold greater. In
other word, a whole galaxy got converted into a black hole.

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On 06/12/2011 1:01 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 12/6/11 8:13 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
One was found to be 9.7 billion solar masses, while the other one was
found to be a mind-blowing 21 billion solar masses! The previous
record-holder was *only* 6.3 billion solar masses. I think there were
some theories that suggested that they couldn't get past 10 billion
solar masses, so I guess those theories are blown out of the water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/sc...holes-yet.html



There is no theory that puts a limit on black hole size, Yousuf.

Sam, you should know by now that I don't say anything randomly!

http://www.physorg.com/news140370694.html

"Once considered rare and exotic objects, black holes are now known to
exist throughout the universe, with the largest and most massive found
at the centers of the largest galaxies. These "ultra-massive" black
holes have been shown to have masses upwards of one billion times that
of our own Sun. Now, Priyamvada Natarajan, an associate professor of
astronomy and physics at Yale University and a fellow at the Radcliffe
Institute for Advanced Study, has shown that even the biggest of these
gravitational monsters can't keep growing forever. Instead, they appear
to curb their own growth – once they accumulate about 10 billion times
the mass of the Sun."

Yousuf Khan

On 06/12/2011 9:32 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
The mass of whatever progenitor stars that created such a 21 billion
solar mass black hole had to be worth at least 16 fold greater. In
other word, a whole galaxy got converted into a black hole.

Supermassive blackholes aren't formed from stellar blackhole mergers.
They are born supermassive right from the start and collapsing stars
weren't involved. Most likely they were already born as blackholes
during the Big Bang.

Yousuf Khan

On 12/7/11 12:05 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 06/12/2011 1:01 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 12/6/11 8:13 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
One was found to be 9.7 billion solar masses, while the other one was
found to be a mind-blowing 21 billion solar masses! The previous
record-holder was *only* 6.3 billion solar masses. I think there were
some theories that suggested that they couldn't get past 10 billion
solar masses, so I guess those theories are blown out of the water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/sc...holes-yet.html




There is no theory that puts a limit on black hole size, Yousuf.

Sam, you should know by now that I don't say anything randomly!

http://www.physorg.com/news140370694.html

"Once considered rare and exotic objects, black holes are now known to
exist throughout the universe, with the largest and most massive found
at the centers of the largest galaxies. These "ultra-massive" black
holes have been shown to have masses upwards of one billion times that
of our own Sun. Now, Priyamvada Natarajan, an associate professor of
astronomy and physics at Yale University and a fellow at the Radcliffe
Institute for Advanced Study, has shown that even the biggest of these
gravitational monsters can't keep growing forever. Instead, they appear
to curb their own growth – once they accumulate about 10 billion times
the mass of the Sun."

Yousuf Khan

My statement remains: There is no theory that puts a limit on black
hole size.

NGC 4889 supermassive black hole - 21 billion solar masses

The binary pair in OJ 287, 3.5 billion light years away, contains
the previous most massive black hole known with a mass estimated at
18 billion solar masses.

The more we look, the bigger we'll likely find, Yousuf.

On 12/7/11 12:08 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:


Supermassive blackholes aren't formed from stellar blackhole mergers.
They are born supermassive right from the start and collapsing stars
weren't involved. Most likely they were already born as blackholes
during the Big Bang.

Yousuf Khan

Is that so!

On Dec 6, 10:08*pm, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 06/12/2011 9:32 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

The mass of whatever progenitor stars that created such a 21 billion
solar mass black hole had to be worth at least 16 fold greater. *In
other word, a whole galaxy got converted into a black hole.

Supermassive blackholes aren't formed from stellar blackhole mergers.
They are born supermassive right from the start and collapsing stars
weren't involved. Most likely they were already born as blackholes
during the Big Bang.

* * * * Yousuf Khan

Don't be so absolute about that. A big enough BH or cluster of BHs
can consume a whole galaxy that'll likely merge or implode down into
one monstrous BH. It's highly unlikely that any singular star created
that enormous BH.

If there's a surrounding galaxy (NGC 4889) associated with this 21e9
Ms BH, it has got to be worth at the very least another trillion
stars, though perhaps ten trillion isn't improbable unless some of
those stars or pocket clusters got eaten alive by that enormous BH.

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On 07/12/2011 1:14 AM, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 12/7/11 12:05 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 06/12/2011 1:01 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 12/6/11 8:13 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
One was found to be 9.7 billion solar masses, while the other one was
found to be a mind-blowing 21 billion solar masses! The previous
record-holder was *only* 6.3 billion solar masses. I think there were
some theories that suggested that they couldn't get past 10 billion
solar masses, so I guess those theories are blown out of the water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/sc...holes-yet.html





There is no theory that puts a limit on black hole size, Yousuf.

Sam, you should know by now that I don't say anything randomly!

http://www.physorg.com/news140370694.html

"Once considered rare and exotic objects, black holes are now known to
exist throughout the universe, with the largest and most massive found
at the centers of the largest galaxies. These "ultra-massive" black
holes have been shown to have masses upwards of one billion times that
of our own Sun. Now, Priyamvada Natarajan, an associate professor of
astronomy and physics at Yale University and a fellow at the Radcliffe
Institute for Advanced Study, has shown that even the biggest of these
gravitational monsters can't keep growing forever. Instead, they appear
to curb their own growth – once they accumulate about 10 billion times
the mass of the Sun."

Yousuf Khan

My statement remains: There is no theory that puts a limit on black
hole size.

Your "statement" remains because you're a stubborn ass who can't admit
that you're in way over your head intellectually. At the very least you
have a reading comprehension problem. I just showed you the previous
theory that stated point-blank that scientists once thought blackholes
couldn't get much over 10 billion solar masses.

Yousuf Khan

On 07/12/2011 1:15 AM, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 12/7/11 12:08 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:


Supermassive blackholes aren't formed from stellar blackhole mergers.
They are born supermassive right from the start and collapsing stars
weren't involved. Most likely they were already born as blackholes
during the Big Bang.

Yousuf Khan

Is that so!

You got a better idea? Heh-heh, sorry that was a rhetorical question,
you have no original thoughts, right Sam?