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On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:
On Sunday, 6 August 2017 11:13:08 UTC+2, StarDust wrote: Yes, humans destroyed much of the planet in the movie! I hope it hasn't escaped you that we all come from the planet of the apes? ;-) Horse ownership was the first step on the long road to obscene inequality, snobbery, laziness, obesity, gout, telescope ownership, global warming, Global warming periods exist in the geological record heart disease and slavery. Not necessarily in that order. ;-)) Aborigines engaged in slavery. And they usually weren't long-lived. There's a town in Northern Italy where the residents typically live to 120. Their secret? They can't count. |
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On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 3:54:54 AM UTC-7, Gary Harnagel wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 11:13:08 UTC+2, StarDust wrote: Yes, humans destroyed much of the planet in the movie! I hope it hasn't escaped you that we all come from the planet of the apes? ;-) Horse ownership was the first step on the long road to obscene inequality, snobbery, laziness, obesity, gout, telescope ownership, global warming, Global warming periods exist in the geological record heart disease and slavery. Not necessarily in that order. ;-)) Aborigines engaged in slavery. And they usually weren't long-lived. There's a town in Northern Italy where the residents typically live to 120. Their secret? They can't count. No, they were isolated from the rest of the population and lived healthy life style! |
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 03:54:50 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote: Global warming periods exist in the geological record But they are far less important to humans than the recurrent periods of anti-intellectualism and outright pride in ignorance that our own society swings through, currently at a near peak. |
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On Monday, 7 August 2017 15:50:29 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 03:54:50 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel wrote: Global warming periods exist in the geological record But they are far less important to humans than the recurrent periods of anti-intellectualism and outright pride in ignorance that our own society swings through, currently at a near peak. Google was unable to give me single word to encapsulate pride in deliberate ignorance. I'll go with "pignorant" since superstition and ignorance often go hand in hand. Which is, of course, rather unfair to our rather intelligent, four legged cousins. But allows for: "Casting pearls, of wisdom, before swine. Only a badly askew form of grave social injustice and general pignorance would allow the pignorant to gain high office or positions of [any] power over others. Sadly, they have followers of pignoramuses in vast numbers. Which allow rapid ascension to positions well above their normal pay grade. Where they wield power well beyond their own meager understanding. And then trumpet forth, as if to prove their inadequacy. As if there were any doubt [at all] in the matter as they proudly lead their idiocracy over the abyss at edge of the world. |
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Gary Harnagel wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote: On Sunday, 6 August 2017 11:13:08 UTC+2, StarDust wrote: Yes, humans destroyed much of the planet in the movie! I hope it hasn't escaped you that we all come from the planet of the apes? ;-) Horse ownership was the first step on the long road to obscene inequality, snobbery, laziness, obesity, gout, telescope ownership, global warming, Global warming periods exist in the geological record heart disease and slavery. Not necessarily in that order. ;-)) Aborigines engaged in slavery. And they usually weren't long-lived. There's a town in Northern Italy where the residents typically live to 120. Their secret? They can't count. There are much better reasons for claims of extreme longevity in remote parts or Europe. People took in their fathers' identities to avoid military service. |
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On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 4:54:54 AM UTC-6, Gary Harnagel wrote:
Global warming periods exist in the geological record So? This has been explained: yes, global warming can happen as a natural phenomenon. But when it does so, it does not happen as rapidly as it is happening now. Also, those episodes had certain causes, such as the Milankovic cycle - the current global warming has the carbon dioxide emissions of human industrialization as its most obvious and likely cause. Just because something has happened before naturally does not mean: a) that we can't be the ones causing it this time, and b) if it happens now, it can't have disastrous consequences for us. That when it happened before, it didn't do so as rapidly, of course, only strengthens this. John Savard |
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 21:07:03 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
wrote: On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 4:54:54 AM UTC-6, Gary Harnagel wrote: Global warming periods exist in the geological record So? This has been explained: yes, global warming can happen as a natural phenomenon. But when it does so, it does not happen as rapidly as it is happening now. Also, those episodes had certain causes, such as the Milankovic cycle - the current global warming has the carbon dioxide emissions of human industrialization as its most obvious and likely cause. Just because something has happened before naturally does not mean: a) that we can't be the ones causing it this time, and b) if it happens now, it can't have disastrous consequences for us. That when it happened before, it didn't do so as rapidly, of course, only strengthens this. John Savard Back then there were much much fewer people so they could fairly easily move to adapt to a changing climate. Today almost every inhabitable part of the world is already inhabitated, so large scale migration triggered by a changing climate will cause large scale conflicts. |
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2017 07:36:38 +0200, Paul Schlyter
wrote: Back then there were much much fewer people so they could fairly easily move to adapt to a changing climate. Today almost every inhabitable part of the world is already inhabitated, so large scale migration triggered by a changing climate will cause large scale conflicts. Even in the past we have strong evidence of civilizations that collapsed due to rapidly changing climate. |
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On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 12:36:44 AM UTC-5, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 21:07:03 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc wrote: On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 4:54:54 AM UTC-6, Gary Harnagel wrote: Global warming periods exist in the geological record So? This has been explained: yes, global warming can happen as a natural phenomenon. But when it does so, it does not happen as rapidly as it is happening now. Also, those episodes had certain causes, such as the Milankovic cycle - the current global warming has the carbon dioxide emissions of human industrialization as its most obvious and likely cause. Just because something has happened before naturally does not mean: a) that we can't be the ones causing it this time, and b) if it happens now, it can't have disastrous consequences for us. That when it happened before, it didn't do so as rapidly, of course, only strengthens this. John Savard Back then there were much much fewer people so they could fairly easily move to adapt to a changing climate. Today almost every inhabitable part of the world is already inhabitated, so large scale migration triggered by a changing climate will cause large scale conflicts. Back when it was much hotter and there was more CO2 in the atmosphere, there were no people on earth. Humans are a recent phenomenon as far as geologic time. Razzy |
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Razzmatazz wrote: Back when it was much hotter and there was more CO2 in the atmosphere, there were no people on earth. Humans are a recent phenomenon as far as geologic time. Razzy Wait a minute. Are you saying there was once a higher concentration of CO2? I thought we were on a tipping point where even a miniscule increase would cause a runaway greenhouse effect that would make us as hot as Venus. |
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