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David Spain wrote:

OTOH it's far more informative when I'm presumed wrong and am corrected.

Sometimes the best way of digging out information is to post something
that is *deliberately* wrong!

"Fevric J. Glandules" writes:


OTOH it's far more informative when I'm presumed wrong and am corrected.

Sometimes the best way of digging out information is to post something
that is *deliberately* wrong!


That's been true on Usenet since the days of A-News.
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Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

On Mar 1, 9:37*pm, David Lesher wrote:
"Fevric J. Glandules" writes:

OTOH it's far more informative when I'm presumed wrong and am corrected.
Sometimes the best way of digging out information is to post something
that is *deliberately* wrong!

That's been true on Usenet since the days of A-News.
--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

I used to repair copiers, I had a tough time getting good tech support
help. Way too many phone techs had not a clue

So I would call and ask a question I already knew the answer too. If
they gave me a reasonable response I would then ask them the real
question:

Sadly far too often they would give me a wrong answer in which case I
would thank them hang up and try again.

Service help roulette, it saved wasting time......

"Fevric J. Glandules" wrote in message
...
David Spain wrote:

OTOH it's far more informative when I'm presumed wrong and am corrected.

Sometimes the best way of digging out information is to post something
that is *deliberately* wrong!


Maybe Brad Guth isn't as crazy as we thought...
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."

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"Fevric J. Glandules" wrote in message
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David Spain wrote:

OTOH it's far more informative when I'm presumed wrong and am corrected.

Sometimes the best way of digging out information is to post something
that is *deliberately* wrong!


Maybe Brad Guth isn't as crazy as we thought...

Well, what Fevric should have said is post something that YOU KNOW is
deliberately wrong.

That rules out Brad.


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Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/
CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net

I used to repair copiers, I had a tough time getting good tech support
help. Way too many phone techs had not a clue

Uh, if you're in the copier repair business, shouldn't YOU know how to
fix them rather than calling tech support? *Perhaps this explains why
you USED to repair copiers. *Not a vast market for 'monkey with tools'
when the copier owner can call the same people you did.

So, what do you do now, Bobbert?


obviously you dont know much about the repair industry........

with copiers models and even parts change constantly. when the model
lifecycle is 2 years, and the documentation poor calls to tech support
are common, espically with a unique trouble, the most interesting are
generated by poor assembly...

These days my business repairs roll laminators. Its a niche market and
my big competitor GBC which locally charges $317 bucks for the first
hour. Schools are the primary customer. Thats not so good these days
with the collapse of school budgets But really better for me since
schools are looking to save money I charge less than GBC

I am my own boss, make my own hours, if I want to screw off on a
friday to go to the rodgers ohio flea market I can

Unlike people who WORK for companies like you do where they watch your
hours etc....

On Mar 2, 4:59*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

I used to repair copiers, I had a tough time getting good tech support
help. Way too many phone techs had not a clue

Uh, if you're in the copier repair business, shouldn't YOU know how to
fix them rather than calling tech support? *Perhaps this explains why
you USED to repair copiers. *Not a vast market for 'monkey with tools'
when the copier owner can call the same people you did.

So, what do you do now, Bobbert?

obviously you dont know much about the repair industry........

I don't bother much with the monkeys, Bobbert. *I just have our
executive assistant call them when something breaks.



with copiers models and even parts change constantly. when the model
lifecycle is 2 years, and the documentation poor calls to tech support
are common, espically with a unique trouble, the most interesting are
generated by poor assembly...

And you can't tell that without calling someone who can't even see it
to explain it to you?



These days my business repairs roll laminators. Its a niche market and
my big competitor GBC which locally charges $317 bucks for the first
hour. Schools are the primary customer. Thats not so good these days
with the collapse of school budgets But really better for me since
schools are looking to save money I charge less than GBC

I am my own boss, make my own hours, if I want to screw off on a
friday to go to the rodgers ohio flea market I can

Unlike people who WORK for companies like you do where they watch your
hours etc....

They don't "watch my hours", Bobbert. *I just tell them which hours
I'm working on which contracts.

If I want to take a month off, I can do it with full pay. *When you
stop working, you stop getting paid. *In fact, you don't get paid for
any hour during the day that you don't have a client paying you. *AND
you have to pay all your own overhead costs, which occur whether
you're working or not.

Yeah, you've got it so much better....


your points are causing the bankruptacy of america combined with the
over militrazation of our country.

the military is like insurance you can buy so much you cant afford to
live.

military contractors have to charge enough for all the bennies you are
bragging about...

like month off with full pay, little over site etc

with copiers models and even parts change constantly. when the model
lifecycle is 2 years, and the documentation poor calls to tech support
are common, espically with a unique trouble, the most interesting are
generated by poor assembly...

And you can't tell that without calling someone who can't even see it
to explain it to


theres lots of training available which covers most of the common
troubles.....

but occasionally poorly assembled wiring harnesses, and a wealth of
wierd troubles can and do generate calls to tech help desks.

over the years I have found and solved lots of real strange problems.

some calls are to report wierd issues and solutions, which helps
everyone

On Mar 3, 2:05*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

with copiers models and even parts change constantly. when the model
lifecycle is 2 years, and the documentation poor calls to tech support
are common, espically with a unique trouble, the most interesting are
generated by poor assembly...

And you can't tell that without calling someone who can't even see it
to explain it to

theres lots of training available which covers most of the common
troubles.....

but occasionally poorly assembled wiring harnesses, and a wealth of
wierd troubles can and do generate calls to tech help desks.

You can't identify a bad wire harness without calling someone on the
phone? *REALLY?



over the years I have found and solved lots of real strange problems.

some calls are to report wierd issues and solutions, which helps
everyone

And Bobbert's story change as it's pointed out to him just how stupid
he sounds....

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
*soul with evil."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Socrates

I hope your office copier devolops a intermittent problem

But you think it's OK to soak SCHOOLS for several hundred dollars an
hour?


Ahh the wonders of competition

I charge less than that and save schools big bucks