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Near surface liquid water on Mars.
The results from the MER rovers suggest there might be small amounts
of near surface liquid water in the form of brines to explain the stickiness of the surface at the landing sites: Into the Briny Deep - Perhaps. http://www.astrobio.net/news/article842.html It is also known that capillary action alone can significantly depress the freezing point of water, perhaps down to -40 C: Mars and Muddied Waters? Low Freezing Point Summary: Can Mars support liquid water? So fundamental a question was hoped to be resolved with high-resolution orbital images, but the debate on whether Mars was once wet and warm has a twist: liquid water may be trapped in the porous soil, even well below its normal freezing point. http://www.astrobio.net/news/article652.html Freezing-resistant liquid water in porous media, a possible mechanism to account for the fluidized transport of sediments on Mars: an example from East Gorgonum crater. Roberto Oyarzun1, Cristóbal Viedma1, Alvaro Márquez2 and Javier Lillo Terra Nova Volume 15 Issue 4 Page 238 - August 2003 http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/lin...3.00487.x/abs/ It is interesting then that some near equatorial sites such as Gusev and Meridiani have mean annual surface temperatures at 234 K or -39 C. See the linked image below. Then the liquid water could persist at these sites year round. Bob Clark Image link http://sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2657 Image taken from: The presence and stability of ground ice in the southern hemisphere of Mars. Michael T. Mellon , William C. Feldman and Thomas H. Prettyman Icarus, In Press, Corrected Proof, Available online 28 February 2004 http://makeashorterlink.com/?V23E22097 |
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Near surface liquid water on Mars.
Robert Clark wrote:
The results from the MER rovers suggest there might be small amounts of near surface liquid water in the form of brines to explain the stickiness of the surface at the landing sites: Into the Briny Deep - Perhaps. http://www.astrobio.net/news/article842.html It is also known that capillary action alone can significantly depress the freezing point of water, perhaps down to -40 C: [snip] It is a bunch of NASA bull**** for loud public consumption. Suppose it were not pure bull****. A NASA geek takes some fine-grained whatever, wets it with saturated brine, sticks it in the giant NASA vacuum chamber with a volunteer in a space suit, and said brave pioneer plays with the miracle stuff at 7-10 torr and -10 C. NASA makes a movie and calls a press conference. "Melting Point-Depressed Pore-Occluded Brine and Anomalous Martian Regolith Physical Properties - We Must Send a Man to Mars Right Now." If there were large concentrations of halide or water a few inches deep, various spectroscopic satellites orbiting Mars would have screaming motherboards and NASA would hold a press conference. If Mars has been wet with brine these past 5 billion years, there would be stuff growing in it - it would be a planetary ecosystem of immense volume with only modestly adverse properties. Stuff in Antarctica lives in worse. NASA is screwing with your credulity. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm (Do something naughty to physics) |
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Near surface liquid water on Mars.
"Uncle Al" wrote in message ... Robert Clark wrote: The results from the MER rovers suggest there might be small amounts of near surface liquid water in the form of brines to explain the stickiness of the surface at the landing sites: Into the Briny Deep - Perhaps. http://www.astrobio.net/news/article842.html It is also known that capillary action alone can significantly depress the freezing point of water, perhaps down to -40 C: [snip] It is a bunch of NASA bull**** for loud public consumption. Suppose it were not pure bull****. A NASA geek takes some fine-grained whatever, wets it with saturated brine, sticks it in the giant NASA vacuum chamber with a volunteer in a space suit, and said brave pioneer plays with the miracle stuff at 7-10 torr and -10 C. NASA makes a movie and calls a press conference. "Melting Point-Depressed Pore-Occluded Brine and Anomalous Martian Regolith Physical Properties - We Must Send a Man to Mars Right Now." If there were large concentrations of halide or water a few inches deep, various spectroscopic satellites orbiting Mars would have screaming motherboards and NASA would hold a press conference. If Mars has been wet with brine these past 5 billion years, there would be stuff growing in it - it would be a planetary ecosystem of immense volume with only modestly adverse properties. Stuff in Antarctica lives in worse. NASA is screwing with your credulity. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm (Do something naughty to physics) It's all about conspiracies, right Al? |
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Near surface liquid water on Mars.
Uncle Al wrote:
NASA is screwing with your credulity. For Christ sake they haven't even made an announcement yet you lunatic. -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m) SkyTools Software for the Observer: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html Skyhound Observing Pages: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html To reply remove spleen |
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Near surface liquid water on Mars.
"Greg Crinklaw" wrote in message ... Uncle Al wrote: NASA is screwing with your credulity. For Christ sake they haven't even made an announcement yet you lunatic. When has that ever stopped the kooks from spewing? |
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Near surface liquid water on Mars.
George wrote:
"Uncle Al" wrote in message ... Robert Clark wrote: The results from the MER rovers suggest there might be small amounts of near surface liquid water in the form of brines to explain the stickiness of the surface at the landing sites: Into the Briny Deep - Perhaps. http://www.astrobio.net/news/article842.html It is also known that capillary action alone can significantly depress the freezing point of water, perhaps down to -40 C: [snip] It is a bunch of NASA bull**** for loud public consumption. Suppose it were not pure bull****. A NASA geek takes some fine-grained whatever, wets it with saturated brine, sticks it in the giant NASA vacuum chamber with a volunteer in a space suit, and said brave pioneer plays with the miracle stuff at 7-10 torr and -10 C. NASA makes a movie and calls a press conference. "Melting Point-Depressed Pore-Occluded Brine and Anomalous Martian Regolith Physical Properties - We Must Send a Man to Mars Right Now." If there were large concentrations of halide or water a few inches deep, various spectroscopic satellites orbiting Mars would have screaming motherboards and NASA would hold a press conference. If Mars has been wet with brine these past 5 billion years, there would be stuff growing in it - it would be a planetary ecosystem of immense volume with only modestly adverse properties. Stuff in Antarctica lives in worse. NASA is screwing with your credulity. It's all about conspiracies, right Al? NASA isn't smart enough to conspire. NASA professionally manages. Case in point, http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/0....ap/index.html Either NASA has it or NASA don't got it. That isn't science, that is Hollywood flack fluttering in a mighty wind. Did the insanely expensive Robot Wars reject image a fossil? Or do we have presumptive proof that maybe this could be an aqueous sedimentary deposit, except for some conflicting data like maybe it is a aeolian deposit or merely some random compacted crap? **** or Shinola? Uncle Al, knowing some folks who work at JPL up the road, predicts "ambiguous **** packed into a Shinola tin and tied with a shiny loud ribbon." I'd deeply enjoy a fossil. Sending two sad sack RC cars to Mars, $1 billion. Seeing the Vatican **** its silk panties jointly and severally, priceless. "'One Creation' is only a metaphor. Earth is the only planet with SALVATION!" Just you wait and see. Let the Mormons chip in and send missionaries to Mars the way Russian Quakers took up a collection and removed all the Doukhobors to the New World in 1899. Even Quakers couldn't stand god-spewing Doukhobors, nor could Canadians - and Canadians swallowed Quebecois with nary a burp. Doukhobors were banished to the Canukistani Great Plains where the resident pacifist Mennonites - also pariahs for having god jammed up their asses - were motivated into killing rages. Talk about the power of religion. NASA doesn't conspire. NASA lies. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net! |
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Near surface liquid water on Mars.
"Uncle Al" wrote in message ...
I'd deeply enjoy a fossil. Sending two sad sack RC cars to Mars, $1 billion. Seeing the Vatican **** its silk panties jointly and severally, priceless. "'One Creation' is only a metaphor. Where exactly does the Catholic Church claim life doesn't exist outside the Earth? "In my Father's house there are many dwelling places." -- John 14:2-3 Rick |
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Near surface liquid water on Mars.
Uncle Al wrote:
Let the Mormons chip in and send missionaries to Mars That was the plot in Starship Troopers, except it was a different planet, but it *was* Mormons. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/ -- pete |
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Near surface liquid water on Mars.
"Uncle Al" wrote in message ... George wrote: "Uncle Al" wrote in message ... Robert Clark wrote: The results from the MER rovers suggest there might be small amounts of near surface liquid water in the form of brines to explain the stickiness of the surface at the landing sites: Into the Briny Deep - Perhaps. http://www.astrobio.net/news/article842.html It is also known that capillary action alone can significantly depress the freezing point of water, perhaps down to -40 C: [snip] It is a bunch of NASA bull**** for loud public consumption. Suppose it were not pure bull****. A NASA geek takes some fine-grained whatever, wets it with saturated brine, sticks it in the giant NASA vacuum chamber with a volunteer in a space suit, and said brave pioneer plays with the miracle stuff at 7-10 torr and -10 C. NASA makes a movie and calls a press conference. "Melting Point-Depressed Pore-Occluded Brine and Anomalous Martian Regolith Physical Properties - We Must Send a Man to Mars Right Now." If there were large concentrations of halide or water a few inches deep, various spectroscopic satellites orbiting Mars would have screaming motherboards and NASA would hold a press conference. If Mars has been wet with brine these past 5 billion years, there would be stuff growing in it - it would be a planetary ecosystem of immense volume with only modestly adverse properties. Stuff in Antarctica lives in worse. NASA is screwing with your credulity. It's all about conspiracies, right Al? NASA isn't smart enough to conspire. NASA professionally manages. Case in point, http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/0....ap/index.html Either NASA has it or NASA don't got it. That isn't science, that is Hollywood flack fluttering in a mighty wind. Did the insanely expensive Robot Wars reject image a fossil? Or do we have presumptive proof that maybe this could be an aqueous sedimentary deposit, except for some conflicting data like maybe it is a aeolian deposit or merely some random compacted crap? **** or Shinola? Uncle Al, knowing some folks who work at JPL up the road, predicts "ambiguous **** packed into a Shinola tin and tied with a shiny loud ribbon." I'd deeply enjoy a fossil. Sending two sad sack RC cars to Mars, $1 billion. Seeing the Vatican **** its silk panties jointly and severally, priceless. "'One Creation' is only a metaphor. Earth is the only planet with SALVATION!" Just you wait and see. Let the Mormons chip in and send missionaries to Mars the way Russian Quakers took up a collection and removed all the Doukhobors to the New World in 1899. Even Quakers couldn't stand god-spewing Doukhobors, nor could Canadians - and Canadians swallowed Quebecois with nary a burp. Doukhobors were banished to the Canukistani Great Plains where the resident pacifist Mennonites - also pariahs for having god jammed up their asses - were motivated into killing rages. Talk about the power of religion. NASA doesn't conspire. NASA lies. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net! Uncle Al, I think you were spanked too often as a child, and possibly as an adult as well. PLONK. |
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Near surface liquid water on Mars.
George wrote:
"Uncle Al" wrote in message ... George wrote: "Uncle Al" wrote in message ... Robert Clark wrote: The results from the MER rovers suggest there might be small amounts of near surface liquid water in the form of brines to explain the stickiness of the surface at the landing sites: Into the Briny Deep - Perhaps. http://www.astrobio.net/news/article842.html It is also known that capillary action alone can significantly depress the freezing point of water, perhaps down to -40 C: [snip] It is a bunch of NASA bull**** for loud public consumption. Suppose it were not pure bull****. A NASA geek takes some fine-grained whatever, wets it with saturated brine, sticks it in the giant NASA vacuum chamber with a volunteer in a space suit, and said brave pioneer plays with the miracle stuff at 7-10 torr and -10 C. NASA makes a movie and calls a press conference. "Melting Point-Depressed Pore-Occluded Brine and Anomalous Martian Regolith Physical Properties - We Must Send a Man to Mars Right Now." If there were large concentrations of halide or water a few inches deep, various spectroscopic satellites orbiting Mars would have screaming motherboards and NASA would hold a press conference. If Mars has been wet with brine these past 5 billion years, there would be stuff growing in it - it would be a planetary ecosystem of immense volume with only modestly adverse properties. Stuff in Antarctica lives in worse. NASA is screwing with your credulity. It's all about conspiracies, right Al? NASA isn't smart enough to conspire. NASA professionally manages. Case in point, http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/0....ap/index.html Either NASA has it or NASA don't got it. That isn't science, that is Hollywood flack fluttering in a mighty wind. Did the insanely expensive Robot Wars reject image a fossil? Or do we have presumptive proof that maybe this could be an aqueous sedimentary deposit, except for some conflicting data like maybe it is a aeolian deposit or merely some random compacted crap? **** or Shinola? Uncle Al, knowing some folks who work at JPL up the road, predicts "ambiguous **** packed into a Shinola tin and tied with a shiny loud ribbon." I'd deeply enjoy a fossil. Sending two sad sack RC cars to Mars, $1 billion. Seeing the Vatican **** its silk panties jointly and severally, priceless. "'One Creation' is only a metaphor. Earth is the only planet with SALVATION!" Just you wait and see. Let the Mormons chip in and send missionaries to Mars the way Russian Quakers took up a collection and removed all the Doukhobors to the New World in 1899. Even Quakers couldn't stand god-spewing Doukhobors, nor could Canadians - and Canadians swallowed Quebecois with nary a burp. Doukhobors were banished to the Canukistani Great Plains where the resident pacifist Mennonites - also pariahs for having god jammed up their asses - were motivated into killing rages. Talk about the power of religion. NASA doesn't conspire. NASA lies. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net! Uncle Al, I think you were spanked too often as a child, and possibly as an adult as well. PLONK. Uncle Al was toilet trained at gunpoint. Try to be more creative - or at least more self-aware. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm (Do something naughty to physics) |
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