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Old October 9th 13, 12:06 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
Dave Liquorice[_2_]
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Decent slot BBC4 1930 - 2000 Thu 10th Oct but for some reason my
recorder didn't pick it up via series link so if you rely on that,
don't! Adding it to be recorded doesn't offer the series link option
either. Presumably because this is a "special"?

Note that the showings on BBC4 are the 30 min not the 20 min version
as shown on BBC1 or BBC2. Well at least that is the size of the BBC4
slots in the EPG, even if the episode listings on the BBC website all
say 20 min.

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Old October 9th 13, 04:11 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
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On 09/10/2013 12:06, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Decent slot BBC4 1930 - 2000 Thu 10th Oct but for some reason my
recorder didn't pick it up via series link so if you rely on that,
don't! Adding it to be recorded doesn't offer the series link option
either. Presumably because this is a "special"?

Note that the showings on BBC4 are the 30 min not the 20 min version
as shown on BBC1 or BBC2. Well at least that is the size of the BBC4
slots in the EPG, even if the episode listings on the BBC website all
say 20 min.


Yes, the BBC4 ones are the 30 minute XL version (or should one say the
NSBS [Not So Bloody Short] version?) and contain a bit more material
which is edited out of the initial late night BBC1 showing.

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Old October 9th 13, 09:06 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
Mike
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In article ,
Rob wrote:

Yes, the BBC4 ones are the 30 minute XL version (or should one say the
NSBS [Not So Bloody Short] version?) and contain a bit more material
which is edited out of the initial late night BBC1 showing.


That's the one preceded by the ...

Warning: This programme contains scenes of a scientific nature that
may upset some viewers
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Old October 9th 13, 10:14 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
James Harris[_2_]
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"Mike" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rob wrote:

Yes, the BBC4 ones are the 30 minute XL version ... and contain a bit more
material
which is edited out of the initial late night BBC1 showing.


That's the one preceded by the ...

Warning: This programme contains scenes of a scientific nature that
may upset some viewers


Hardly. More like: "This programme is one that used to include scenes of a
scientific nature."

James


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Old October 10th 13, 12:36 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
mick
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On 09/10/2013 22:14:01, James Harris wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rob wrote:

Yes, the BBC4 ones are the 30 minute XL version ... and contain a bit more
material
which is edited out of the initial late night BBC1 showing.


That's the one preceded by the ...

Warning: This programme contains scenes of a scientific nature that
may upset some viewers


Hardly. More like: "This programme is one that used to include scenes of a
scientific nature."

James


Yep, dumbing down is the first step on the road to oblivion. In fact
on that observation the BBC should have been obliterated long ago :-)

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Old October 16th 13, 02:12 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
Rob[_7_]
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On 10/10/2013 12:36, mick wrote:
On 09/10/2013 22:14:01, James Harris wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rob wrote:

Yes, the BBC4 ones are the 30 minute XL version ... and contain a
bit more material
which is edited out of the initial late night BBC1 showing.

That's the one preceded by the ...

Warning: This programme contains scenes of a scientific nature that
may upset some viewers


Hardly. More like: "This programme is one that used to include scenes
of a scientific nature."

James


Yep, dumbing down is the first step on the road to oblivion. In fact on
that observation the BBC should have been obliterated long ago :-)


Good job you put the smiley. ;o)
Looking at the dire 'science' offerings now being shown by the
Discovery network and History channel, at least BBC science programs
do contain *some* science rather than 'rednecks' bidding on storage
lockers or Eric-Von-Fvcking-Daniken appearing on shows like
'Ancient Aliens'.. All TV science is being dumbed down in every
Western nation for some reason. Worrying.
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Rob
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Old October 16th 13, 08:00 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
James Harris[_2_]
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"Rob" wrote in message
...

....

Hardly. More like: "This programme is one that used to include scenes
of a scientific nature."


....

Yep, dumbing down is the first step on the road to oblivion. In fact on
that observation the BBC should have been obliterated long ago :-)


Good job you put the smiley. ;o)
Looking at the dire 'science' offerings now being shown by the
Discovery network and History channel, at least BBC science programs
do contain *some* science rather than 'rednecks' bidding on storage


Agreed - the Beeb has been making excellent programmes for many years and is
still doing so.

....

'Ancient Aliens'.. All TV science is being dumbed down in every
Western nation for some reason. Worrying.


I remember Open University programmes on BBC2 being very grey and staid but
carrying real information and being fascinating. You know - really teaching
something. Latterly, though, they had become very colourful and musical but
were more like introductions to the subjects and didn't go in to any detail.
At that point I lost interest in them.

It seems there are others who feel the same.

James


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Old October 16th 13, 11:56 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
mick
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On 16/10/2013 20:00:02, James Harris wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...

...

Hardly. More like: "This programme is one that used to include scenes
of a scientific nature."


...

Yep, dumbing down is the first step on the road to oblivion. In fact on
that observation the BBC should have been obliterated long ago :-)


Good job you put the smiley. ;o)
Looking at the dire 'science' offerings now being shown by the
Discovery network and History channel, at least BBC science programs
do contain *some* science rather than 'rednecks' bidding on storage


Agreed - the Beeb has been making excellent programmes for many years and is
still doing so.

...

'Ancient Aliens'.. All TV science is being dumbed down in every
Western nation for some reason. Worrying.


I remember Open University programmes on BBC2 being very grey and staid but
carrying real information and being fascinating. You know - really teaching
something. Latterly, though, they had become very colourful and musical but
were more like introductions to the subjects and didn't go in to any detail.
At that point I lost interest in them.

It seems there are others who feel the same.

James


They still make good programs with quality camera work and access to
places where normal people would never get. But why do they seem to
treat each program as a beginners guide. I can think, imagine and
discuss most things in-depth, but from my experience the BBC seem to
pander to the masses whose attention span is limited and will switch
off if it is not edu-tainment. For example, Country File is all
fragmented reports with the same reminder cropping up three or four
times of what is actually being reported. Why can't they do a single
report from beginning to end in one go and cut out the repeated
reminders. Maybe that would give time to included a more in-depth
report or another completely different subject in the same program.

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Old October 17th 13, 08:34 AM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
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On 16/10/2013 23:56, mick wrote:
On 16/10/2013 20:00:02, James Harris wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...

...

Hardly. More like: "This programme is one that used to include scenes
of a scientific nature."


...

Yep, dumbing down is the first step on the road to oblivion. In
fact on
that observation the BBC should have been obliterated long ago :-)


Good job you put the smiley. ;o)
Looking at the dire 'science' offerings now being shown by the
Discovery network and History channel, at least BBC science programs
do contain *some* science rather than 'rednecks' bidding on storage


Agreed - the Beeb has been making excellent programmes for many years
and is still doing so.

...

'Ancient Aliens'.. All TV science is being dumbed down in every
Western nation for some reason. Worrying.


I remember Open University programmes on BBC2 being very grey and
staid but carrying real information and being fascinating. You know -
really teaching something. Latterly, though, they had become very
colourful and musical but were more like introductions to the subjects
and didn't go in to any detail. At that point I lost interest in them.

It seems there are others who feel the same.

James


They still make good programs with quality camera work and access to
places where normal people would never get. But why do they seem to
treat each program as a beginners guide. I can think, imagine and
discuss most things in-depth, but from my experience the BBC seem to
pander to the masses whose attention span is limited and will switch off
if it is not edu-tainment. For example, Country File is all fragmented
reports with the same reminder cropping up three or four times of what
is actually being reported. Why can't they do a single report from
beginning to end in one go and cut out the repeated reminders. Maybe
that would give time to included a more in-depth report or another
completely different subject in the same program.


What is the fixation about pandering to the ratings? If people switch
off they still get the licence revenue. If people zap through ad breaks
on commercial TV then tough titty for the advertisers but the TV
companies still get the ad revenue
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Old October 17th 13, 09:59 AM posted to uk.sci.astronomy
James Harris[_2_]
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"N_Cook" wrote in message
...

....

Agreed - the Beeb has been making excellent programmes for many years
and is still doing so.


....

They still make good programs with quality camera work and access to
places where normal people would never get. But why do they seem to
treat each program as a beginners guide. I can think, imagine and
discuss most things in-depth, but from my experience the BBC seem to
pander to the masses whose attention span is limited and will switch off
if it is not edu-tainment. For example, Country File is all fragmented
reports with the same reminder cropping up three or four times of what
is actually being reported. Why can't they do a single report from
beginning to end in one go and cut out the repeated reminders. Maybe
that would give time to included a more in-depth report or another
completely different subject in the same program.


What is the fixation about pandering to the ratings? If people switch off
they still get the licence revenue.


Ratings are probably a way to *justify* the expense of a programme.

I suspect the managers also look at filling the schedules with so many hours
of each type of programme. So if they had an allocation of hours for science
the bean counters might decide to replace less-popular with more-popular.

Ratings are a funny guide, though. Remember how often the TV company tried
to finish off Star Trek because, at least in the time slot it ran in, it
simply wasn't popular enough according to their ratings. Yet over time it
has become a series they could repeat multiple times, sell merchandise for,
and has led to multiple money-making spin offs. So there was a lot of
support for Star Trek but perhaps it was badly managed at the time.

Please note, I'm not suggesting there is a call for lots of spin-offs of The
Sky at Night!

James


 




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