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Old February 17th 10, 08:54 AM posted to sci.astro
James Dow Allen
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In one of his books, Girolamo Cardano (1501-1576) published a
list of the 12 greatest minds who "excelled all men in the force of
genius and invention": Archimedes, Aristotle, etc.
All but one of these names are easy to identify. The
exception is "Heber of Spain, astronomer."

Can anyone here identify Heber? (My only guess is that
Cardano is referring to the legendary First Monarch
of Ireland, but I can't even find any indication that
Heber was particularly noted for science.)

James
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Old February 17th 10, 10:33 PM posted to sci.astro
dlzc
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Dear James Dow Allen:

On Feb 17, 12:54*am, James Dow Allen wrote:
In one of his books, Girolamo Cardano (1501-1576)
published a list of the 12 greatest minds who
"excelled all men in the force of genius and
invention": Archimedes, Aristotle, etc. All but
one of these names are easy to identify. *The
exception is "Heber of Spain, astronomer."

Can anyone here identify Heber? *(My only guess is that
Cardano is referring to the legendary First Monarch
of Ireland, but I can't even find any indication that
Heber was particularly noted for science.)


There is a partial list of "outstanding" Spanish astronomers on
Wikipedia from that time backward, and some stand out (but none are
name Heber):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_bar_Hiyya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrus_Alphonsi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3...A9s_de_Albacar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab%C5%A...q%C4%81l%C4%AB

Heber is essentially a Jewish (derivative) name... post-inquisition...

Any indication what Cardano accused him of doing?

Good luck!

David A. Smith
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Old February 18th 10, 02:45 AM posted to sci.astro
William Hamblen[_2_]
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On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:33:01 -0800 (PST), dlzc wrote:

Dear James Dow Allen:

On Feb 17, 12:54*am, James Dow Allen wrote:
In one of his books, Girolamo Cardano (1501-1576)
published a list of the 12 greatest minds who
"excelled all men in the force of genius and
invention": Archimedes, Aristotle, etc. All but
one of these names are easy to identify. *The
exception is "Heber of Spain, astronomer."

Can anyone here identify Heber? *(My only guess is that
Cardano is referring to the legendary First Monarch
of Ireland, but I can't even find any indication that
Heber was particularly noted for science.)


There is a partial list of "outstanding" Spanish astronomers on
Wikipedia from that time backward, and some stand out (but none are
name Heber):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_bar_Hiyya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrus_Alphonsi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3...A9s_de_Albacar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab%C5%A...q%C4%81l%C4%AB

Heber is essentially a Jewish (derivative) name... post-inquisition...

Any indication what Cardano accused him of doing?

Good luck!

David A. Smith


Geber in Spanish pronunciation might sound like Heber, but Geber never
went to Spain as far as I know.

Bud
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Old February 18th 10, 10:44 AM posted to sci.astro
Sao 67174
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"William Hamblen" ha scritto nel messaggio
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On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:33:01 -0800 (PST), dlzc wrote:

Dear James Dow Allen:

On Feb 17, 12:54 am, James Dow Allen wrote:
In one of his books, Girolamo Cardano (1501-1576)
published a list of the 12 greatest minds who
"excelled all men in the force of genius and
invention": Archimedes, Aristotle, etc. All but
one of these names are easy to identify. The
exception is "Heber of Spain, astronomer."

Can anyone here identify Heber? (My only guess is that
Cardano is referring to the legendary First Monarch
of Ireland, but I can't even find any indication that
Heber was particularly noted for science.)


There is a partial list of "outstanding" Spanish astronomers on
Wikipedia from that time backward, and some stand out (but none are
name Heber):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_bar_Hiyya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrus_Alphonsi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3...A9s_de_Albacar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab%C5%A...q%C4%81l%C4%AB

Heber is essentially a Jewish (derivative) name... post-inquisition...

Any indication what Cardano accused him of doing?

Good luck!

David A. Smith


Geber in Spanish pronunciation might sound like Heber, but Geber never
went to Spain as far as I know.

Bud


Probably is:

Jabir ibn Aflah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabir_ibn_Aflah

Best greetings.
Sao 67174


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Old February 18th 10, 11:21 AM posted to sci.astro
James Dow Allen
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On Feb 18, 8:45*am, William Hamblen
wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:33:01 -0800 (PST), dlzc wrote:
On Feb 17, 12:54*am, James Dow Allen wrote:
In one of his books, Girolamo Cardano (1501-1576)
published a list of the 12 greatest minds who
"excelled all men in the force of genius and
invention": Archimedes, Aristotle, etc. *All but
one of these names are easy to identify. *The
exception is "Heber of Spain, astronomer."


BTW, another factoid about the list that might be
interesting to astronomers is that Ptolemy was included
in Cardano's first list (in 2nd place behind only Archimedes)
but removed altogether for the 2nd publication!

Heber is essentially a Jewish (derivative) name... post-inquisition...


Any indication what Cardano accused him of doing?


It took me a lot of Googling just to find the list.
And "Heber of Spain, astronomer" was the entire reference.
(Obviously Cardano didn't write in English; the list
was published in _De subtilitate_, but even if I could
find that, I don't read Latin.)

Geber in Spanish pronunciation might sound like Heber, but Geber never
went to Spain as far as I know.


Via Wikipedia I see an alchemist called "pseudo-Geber" in 14th
century Spain, but no mention of astronomy for him, nor
confirmation of the Geber/Heber shift.

Is there a forum dedicated to history of ancient science?

James
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Old February 18th 10, 11:54 AM posted to sci.astro
Mike Dworetsky
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James Dow Allen wrote:
On Feb 18, 8:45 am, William Hamblen
wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:33:01 -0800 (PST), dlzc wrote:
On Feb 17, 12:54 am, James Dow Allen wrote:
In one of his books, Girolamo Cardano (1501-1576)
published a list of the 12 greatest minds who
"excelled all men in the force of genius and
invention": Archimedes, Aristotle, etc. All but
one of these names are easy to identify. The
exception is "Heber of Spain, astronomer."


BTW, another factoid about the list that might be
interesting to astronomers is that Ptolemy was included
in Cardano's first list (in 2nd place behind only Archimedes)
but removed altogether for the 2nd publication!

Heber is essentially a Jewish (derivative) name...
post-inquisition...


Any indication what Cardano accused him of doing?


It took me a lot of Googling just to find the list.
And "Heber of Spain, astronomer" was the entire reference.
(Obviously Cardano didn't write in English; the list
was published in _De subtilitate_, but even if I could
find that, I don't read Latin.)

Geber in Spanish pronunciation might sound like Heber, but Geber
never went to Spain as far as I know.


Via Wikipedia I see an alchemist called "pseudo-Geber" in 14th
century Spain, but no mention of astronomy for him, nor
confirmation of the Geber/Heber shift.

Is there a forum dedicated to history of ancient science?

JamesJabir_ibn_Aflah


I think SAO 67174 found the right individual for you. Jabir ibn Aflah,
Muslim expert in spherical trig from Seville, 12th C. Jabir--Geber--Heber.

There is a usenet newsgroup soc.history.science.

Not sure of other forums.


--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

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Old February 18th 10, 02:29 PM posted to sci.astro
Yousuf Khan[_2_]
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William Hamblen wrote:
Geber in Spanish pronunciation might sound like Heber, but Geber never
went to Spain as far as I know.



Wouldn't the Spanish spelling be "Jeber" rather than "Geber"?

Yousuf Khan
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Old February 18th 10, 02:39 PM posted to sci.astro
Androcles[_27_]
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"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message
...
William Hamblen wrote:
Geber in Spanish pronunciation might sound like Heber, but Geber never
went to Spain as far as I know.



Wouldn't the Spanish spelling be "Jeber" rather than "Geber"?

Yousuf Khan


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Old February 18th 10, 03:30 PM posted to sci.astro
dlzc
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Dear Mike Dworetsky:

On Feb 18, 3:54*am, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote:
....
On Feb 17, 12:54 am, James Dow Allen wrote:
In one of his books, Girolamo Cardano (1501-1576)

....
I think SAO 67174 found the right individual for
you. *Jabir ibn Aflah, Muslim expert in spherical
trig from Seville, 12th C. *Jabir--Geber--Heber.


I concur, especially since Cardano is named in that article... I
should have thought to do a reverse lookup, correlating Spain with
Cardano.

David A. Smith
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Old February 18th 10, 04:10 PM posted to sci.astro
James Dow Allen
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On Feb 18, 4:44*pm, "Sao 67174" Sao wrote:
Probably is:
Jabir ibn Aflah


OK; I think you're right. (I was curious why the
famous Regiomontanus was missing from Cardano's list;
the Wikipedia articel indicates why.)
Confusing group of Jabir/Geber's!

Google shows your message before mine of a few hours ago,
but I must have missed it! :-(

James
 




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