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The engine of â?o life â? is eternal because life adapts ( or not ).
On May 8, 7:44*am, "Painius" wrote:
The process is so unimaginable large, that life would generally and usually continue through the center and out again, through the entire process, without even knowing any changes had taken place, except on a very cursory level Good point. The "spagettification" one would experience falling into a several-solar-mass BH is due to the extreme accelerational gradient going thru the event horizon. But with a supermassive, galactic scale BH, the gradient is much less severe and you wouldn't get "spagettified". On the 'Megagalactic' scale of the Primal Particle, the gradient would be even less severe and your passage thru the 'Engine' would be virtually a non-event. The only evidence of what stage of the cycle you're in would be artifactual, just as we currently interpret the deep-past cosmos (read: attempt to interpret, under the VSP). |
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Einstein never found contentment
On May 8, 7:12 am, "Painius" wrote:
"Jeff?Relf" wrote in message... ... I see not one cosmologist who claims the 4-D gravitational field is a â?o void nothing â? ; for, without it ( the 4-D field ), there's: no space, no time, no pressure, no nothing. Here's one, Alan Guth. He's one of the foremost particle physicists and cosmologists of our age. He's also known as "The Father of Inflation Theory". And as you may have gleaned, his inflation theory is not required in Wolter's CBB model. Yeah, if you recall this was discussed many times over the years before ol' Jeff showed up. Besides Guth, there was Dr. Andy Albrecht, one of the co-founders of inflation theory. Albrecht teamed up briefly with Dr. Joao Magueijo, a firebrand 'maverik' mainstreamer who proposes an alternative to inflation : There is a precipitous drop in the speed of light across the "inflation" spike which resolves the Horizon Problem as if by magic (and dispels several niggling little problems with inflation as well). Magueijo and Albrecht called their model VSL (for 'varying speed of light). If interested, Google 'Magueijo-Albrecht VSL'. BUT there's one problem with their VSL model: it requires violation of the Lorentz invariance, one of the biggest no- nos in physics. Recognizing this, Albrecht quickly got cold feet and back-pedaled back to the safety of "approved" theory (i.e., inflation). But Magueijo remains steadfast and soldiers on, openly stating he is willing to violate Lorentz anyway. Talk about big brass cajones (!). But Magueijo as a Void-Spacer has no concept of the *mechansim* of the lightspeed drop he nonetheless intuits to be real. The CBB model supplies that mechanism : the precipitous pressure/ density drop of the spatial medium at the instant of emergence from the BB (the so-called "inflation" spike). http://community-2.webtv.net/oldcoot...ang/page2.html If Magueijo understood this, he could have his VSL with no need to violate Lorentz (or any other constant for that matter). He could "have his cake and eat it too". :-) There are at least three other 'maverik' mainstreamers, Barrow, Moffatt and Troitskii, who recognize a lightspeed drop similar to Magueijo's, but with a less precipitous gradient than Magueijo's But being Void-Spacers, they likewise have no concept of the *mechanism* behind the drop. One caveat if Googling on this subject : the name Barry Setterfield will come up frequently. He is a biblical creationist who has hijacked the VSL theory to propound his creationist agenda. |
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The aether was replaced by 4-D fields, not a â?o void nothing â? .
"oldcoot" wrote in message...
... On May 8, 6:41 am, "Painius" wrote, reposting the goose: Vent? I thought you claimed stars, black holes, planet, etc. are "drains". A drain *is* a pressure vent. Honest to Pete, Paine, what is the point in attempting dialog with this fool? I dunno, Bill... if i ever figger myself out on this, i'll let you know. happy days and... starry starry nights! -- Indelibly yours, Paine P.S. Thank YOU for reading! P.P.S. (shh) Some secret sites... http://painellsworth.net http://savethechildren.org http://eBook-eDen.secretsgolden.com |
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Einstein Never Found Contentment
On May 8, 7:30*am, "Painius" wrote,
reposting the goose: And all of these esteemed scientists have the same problem: *where does the space goo go after it enters these little drains? Yeah, yada yada. The ubiquitous 'Roach Motel' issue, discussed here many times. Wherever the stuff 'goes to', whatever strange nonlocal realm constitutes the lowest-pressure 'gound state', is the same "place" where it's repressurized and 'comes from' in the Big Bang, the *continuous* BB. To view the process of gravitation is to view *quite literally* the reverse of the BB process, in real time. The BB and gravitation comprize a natural dipole sharing the same nonlocal 'ground state'. Where do YOU think it might go, Mother? *Do you think that the hard-working nuclear forces do not need constant replenishment? *Do you believe that the SNF and the WNF are examples of perpetual energy/forces/motion? One fundamental tenet of the CBB model is the proton being the microscale analog of a (spinning) black hole (and of the Primal Particle as well). That means the proton is replete with its own 'event horizon' where the flow velocity into the proton reaches c. OK. It was Double-A who recently was expressing a sort of 'fixation' on the fact that time slows to a stop at a BH's event horizon. The stoppage of time at the EH is as perceived in our frame 'out here'.. while the clock still runs at the normal rate in the frame 'there'. Applied to the proton's EH, this would see the inflow *appearing* to stop at the EH. This is in line with Painius' concept of the inflow appearing to 'peter out' sorta like a California dry lake. And it would give the proton the appearance and nature of a 'solid' point particle. By contrast, Wolter was concerned with "where the stuff goes" and agonized no end over the 'Roach Motel' issue during his last few months, finally resolving to his own satisfaction while studying the work of Bohm and Pribram. The dense and high-grade subPlanck energy of the spatial field flows into each and every atomic nucleus of each and every element that exists in this Universe. *In so doing, it gives the nuclear forces the "kick" they need to keep hard at work doing all that they do- Well said. |
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Einstein Never Found Contentment
Forgot to add - if the 'Roach Motel' issue invalidates the FS model of
gravity, then the BB theory is invalid also, and for the same reason. It doesn't address where the stuff 'comes from'. |
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without 4-D fields, there's no space, no time, no pressure, no nothing.
You don't know it, and you never will know it,
but General and Special Relativity are 4-D. ElectroMagnetic and gravitational fields ( 4-D hyperstructures ) are more real than your “ Sky Pixies ” and your “ Void Nothing ”; without 4-D fields, there's no space, no time, no pressure, no nothing. |
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without 4-D fields, there's no space, no time, no pressure, nonothing.
On May 8, 3:02 pm, Jeff$B"%(BRelf wrote:
You don't know it, and you never will know it, but General and Special Relativity are 4-D. ElectroMagnetic and gravitational fields ( 4-D hyperstructures ) are more real than your " Sky Pixies " and your " Void Nothing "; without 4-D fields, there's no space, no time, no pressure, no nothing. Tell you what, Jeff. You seem a nice enough fella, and comport yourself with civility. But you're stuck at the level of reciting this "4-D fields" stuff by rote without the foggiest idea of what it *means*. Is the '4' interepreted to mean the fourth dimension, time? Then consider this : What IS time, anyway, but a human construct based on our experience of cycles and periodicities in nature? Sure, there is the 'tick of time' or clock rate, which varies with the pressure/ density value of the spatial medium. But it certainly isn't a "dimension" (with apologies to Uncle Albert for impugning his construct of 'space-time' which is an acoutrement of the void-space paradigm). But once the reality of the spatial medium, the SPED, is recognized, such constructs fall away and are not needed. Our three dimensions are quite sufficient, thank you. But you will continue reciting the '4-D' stuff anyway. So there is really no basis for dialog with you. |
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Ignorance ( randomness ) makes time seem directional.
Time is a spatial dimension like up and down, east and west.
Why ? because nothing is acausal, because randomness is ignorance. Ignorance ( randomness ) makes time seem directional. |
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Fuel is never exhausted and sh_t never piles up.
You seem to be living in a dream world where
fuel is never exhausted and **** never piles up. Even your model of our visible Universe ( indeed, the cosmos ) requires that it be plugged into the wall somewhere, rent free. Not only does it require a supreme God, a king of the cosmos, feeding us, it requires that he expects nothing in return. |
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Fuel is never exhausted and sh_t never piles up.
On May 8, 5:48 pm, Jeff$B"%(BRelf wrote:
You seem to be living in a dream world where fuel is never exhausted and **** never piles up. WOOPs! So much for the "civility" accolade. To the slushpile with you. Ker-flooosh! :-) |
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