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  #71  
Old May 8th 08, 04:04 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default The engine of â?o life â? is eternal because life adapts ( or not ).

On May 8, 7:44*am, "Painius" wrote:

The process is so unimaginable large, that life would
generally and usually continue through the center and
out again, through the entire process, without even
knowing any changes had taken place, except on a
very cursory level

Good point. The "spagettification" one would experience falling into a
several-solar-mass BH is due to the extreme accelerational gradient
going thru the event horizon. But with a supermassive, galactic scale
BH, the gradient is much less severe and you wouldn't get
"spagettified". On the 'Megagalactic' scale of the Primal Particle,
the gradient would be even less severe and your passage thru the
'Engine' would be virtually a non-event. The only evidence of what
stage of the cycle you're in would be artifactual, just as we
currently interpret the deep-past cosmos (read: attempt to interpret,
under the VSP).
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Old May 8th 08, 06:44 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Einstein never found contentment

On May 8, 7:12 am, "Painius" wrote:
"Jeff?Relf" wrote in message...

...

I see not one cosmologist who claims the 4-D gravitational field is
a â?o void nothing â? ; for, without it ( the 4-D field ), there's:
no space, no time, no pressure, no nothing.


Here's one, Alan Guth. He's one of the foremost
particle physicists and cosmologists of our age. He's
also known as "The Father of Inflation Theory". And
as you may have gleaned, his inflation theory is not
required in Wolter's CBB model.

Yeah, if you recall this was discussed many times over the years
before ol' Jeff showed up. Besides Guth, there was Dr. Andy Albrecht,
one of the co-founders of inflation theory. Albrecht teamed up briefly
with Dr. Joao Magueijo, a firebrand 'maverik' mainstreamer who
proposes an alternative to inflation : There is a precipitous drop in
the speed of light across the "inflation" spike which resolves the
Horizon Problem as if by magic (and dispels several niggling little
problems with inflation as well). Magueijo and Albrecht called their
model VSL (for 'varying speed of light). If interested, Google
'Magueijo-Albrecht VSL'.
BUT there's one problem with their VSL model: it
requires violation of the Lorentz invariance, one of the biggest no-
nos in physics. Recognizing this, Albrecht quickly got cold feet and
back-pedaled back to the safety of "approved" theory (i.e.,
inflation). But Magueijo remains steadfast and soldiers on, openly
stating he is willing to violate Lorentz anyway. Talk about big brass
cajones (!). But Magueijo as a Void-Spacer has no concept of the
*mechansim* of the lightspeed drop he nonetheless intuits to be real.

The CBB model supplies that mechanism : the precipitous pressure/
density drop of the spatial medium at the instant of emergence from
the BB (the so-called "inflation" spike).
http://community-2.webtv.net/oldcoot...ang/page2.html
If Magueijo understood this, he could have his VSL
with no need to violate Lorentz (or any other constant for that
matter). He could "have his cake and eat it too". :-)

There are at least three other 'maverik' mainstreamers, Barrow,
Moffatt and Troitskii, who recognize a lightspeed drop similar to
Magueijo's, but with a less precipitous gradient than Magueijo's But
being Void-Spacers, they likewise have no concept of the *mechanism*
behind the drop.

One caveat if Googling on this subject : the name Barry Setterfield
will come up frequently. He is a biblical creationist who has hijacked
the VSL theory to propound his creationist agenda.






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Old May 8th 08, 06:58 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default The aether was replaced by 4-D fields, not a â?o void nothing â? .

"oldcoot" wrote in message...
...
On May 8, 6:41 am, "Painius" wrote,
reposting the goose:

Vent? I thought you claimed stars, black holes, planet, etc. are
"drains".


A drain *is* a pressure vent.

Honest to Pete, Paine, what is the point in attempting dialog with
this fool?


I dunno, Bill... if i ever figger myself out on this,
i'll let you know.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine

P.S. Thank YOU for reading!

P.P.S. (shh) Some secret sites...
http://painellsworth.net
http://savethechildren.org
http://eBook-eDen.secretsgolden.com


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Old May 8th 08, 08:48 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On May 8, 7:30*am, "Painius" wrote,
reposting the goose:

And all of these esteemed scientists have the same problem: *where does
the space goo go after it enters these little drains?


Yeah, yada yada. The ubiquitous 'Roach Motel' issue, discussed here
many times. Wherever the stuff 'goes to', whatever strange nonlocal
realm constitutes the lowest-pressure 'gound state', is the same
"place" where it's repressurized and 'comes from' in the Big Bang, the
*continuous* BB. To view the process of gravitation is to view *quite
literally* the reverse of the BB process, in real time. The BB and
gravitation comprize a natural dipole sharing the same nonlocal
'ground state'.

Where do YOU think it might go, Mother? *Do you think
that the hard-working nuclear forces do not need constant
replenishment? *Do you believe that the SNF and the WNF
are examples of perpetual energy/forces/motion?

One fundamental tenet of the CBB model is the proton being the
microscale analog of a (spinning) black hole (and of the Primal
Particle as well). That means the proton is replete with its own
'event horizon' where the flow velocity into the proton reaches c.
OK. It was Double-A who recently was expressing a
sort of 'fixation' on the fact that time slows to a stop at a BH's
event horizon. The stoppage of time at the EH is as perceived in our
frame 'out here'.. while the clock still runs at the normal rate in
the frame 'there'. Applied to the proton's EH, this would see the
inflow *appearing* to stop at the EH.
This is in line with Painius' concept of the inflow appearing to
'peter out' sorta like a California dry lake. And it would give the
proton the appearance and nature of a 'solid' point particle.

By contrast, Wolter was concerned with "where the stuff goes" and
agonized no end over the 'Roach Motel' issue during his last few
months, finally resolving to his own satisfaction while studying the
work of Bohm and Pribram.

The dense and high-grade subPlanck energy of the spatial
field flows into each and every atomic nucleus of each and
every element that exists in this Universe. *In so doing, it
gives the nuclear forces the "kick" they need to keep hard
at work doing all that they do-

Well said.

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Old May 8th 08, 09:01 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Forgot to add - if the 'Roach Motel' issue invalidates the FS model of
gravity, then the BB theory is invalid also, and for the same reason.
It doesn't address where the stuff 'comes from'.
  #76  
Old May 8th 08, 11:02 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default without 4-D fields, there's no space, no time, no pressure, no nothing.

You don't know it, and you never will know it,
but General and Special Relativity are 4-D.

ElectroMagnetic and gravitational fields ( 4-D hyperstructures )
are more real than your “ Sky Pixies ” and your “ Void Nothing ”;
without 4-D fields, there's no space, no time, no pressure, no nothing.

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Old May 9th 08, 01:06 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default without 4-D fields, there's no space, no time, no pressure, nonothing.

On May 8, 3:02 pm, Jeff$B"%(BRelf wrote:

You don't know it, and you never will know it,
but General and Special Relativity are 4-D.

ElectroMagnetic and gravitational fields ( 4-D hyperstructures )
are more real than your " Sky Pixies " and your " Void Nothing ";
without 4-D fields, there's no space, no time, no pressure, no nothing.

Tell you what, Jeff. You seem a nice enough fella, and comport
yourself with civility. But you're stuck at the level of reciting this
"4-D fields" stuff by rote without the foggiest idea of what it
*means*. Is the '4' interepreted to mean the fourth dimension, time?
Then consider this : What IS time, anyway, but a human construct based
on our experience of cycles and periodicities in nature? Sure, there
is the 'tick of time' or clock rate, which varies with the pressure/
density value of the spatial medium. But it certainly isn't a
"dimension" (with apologies to Uncle Albert for impugning his
construct of 'space-time' which is an acoutrement of the void-space
paradigm). But once the reality of the spatial medium, the SPED, is
recognized, such constructs fall away and are not needed. Our three
dimensions are quite sufficient, thank you.
But you will continue reciting the '4-D' stuff anyway.
So there is really no basis for dialog with you.

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Old May 9th 08, 01:21 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Ignorance ( randomness ) makes time seem directional.

Time is a spatial dimension like up and down, east and west.
Why ? because nothing is acausal, because randomness is ignorance.
Ignorance ( randomness ) makes time seem directional.

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Old May 9th 08, 01:48 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Fuel is never exhausted and sh_t never piles up.

You seem to be living in a dream world where
fuel is never exhausted and **** never piles up.

Even your model of our visible Universe ( indeed, the cosmos )
requires that it be plugged into the wall somewhere, rent free.

Not only does it require a supreme God, a king of the cosmos,
feeding us, it requires that he expects nothing in return.

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Old May 9th 08, 02:01 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Fuel is never exhausted and sh_t never piles up.

On May 8, 5:48 pm, Jeff$B"%(BRelf wrote:

You seem to be living in a dream world where
fuel is never exhausted and **** never piles up.

WOOPs! So much for the "civility" accolade. To the slushpile with
you.
Ker-flooosh! :-)

 




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