An alternative to this mess

Moderated sci.astro.amateur has lots of the solid and once contributing
members that aren't showing up on sci.astro.amateur any longer. There are
more than 500 posts which include amateur astronomy videos to watch, learn
from, and enjoy. There are polls to view and vote in and an off topic
board for those that want to read and post to that section. The site also
includes a great arcade game room which only allows the members of the
forum to compete for best scores on more than 65 games.

Why not click on www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org and take a look around.
You will like what you find.


--
Martin R. Howell
Moderated sci.astro.amateur
www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Martin wrote:
Moderated sci.astro.amateur has lots of the solid and once contributing
members that aren't showing up on sci.astro.amateur any longer. There are
more than 500 posts which include amateur astronomy videos to watch, learn
from, and enjoy. There are polls to view and vote in and an off topic
board for those that want to read and post to that section. The site also
includes a great arcade game room which only allows the members of the
forum to compete for best scores on more than 65 games.

Why not click on www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org and take a look around.
You will like what you find.




Don't you ever get tired of posting this drivel ?



Bill

I don't mind you periodically posting/advertising your website, but I
wouldn't do it too often or you risk being seen as an abuser. Also, I don't
think you are doing yourself any favours by calling sci.astro.amateur "this
mess". If this group disgusts you then you should exit, otherwise show some
respect for your fellow subscribers. Thanks.

Dennis

Dennis Woos wrote:

I don't mind you periodically posting/advertising your website, but I
wouldn't do it too often or you risk being seen as an abuser. Also, I don't
think you are doing yourself any favours by calling sci.astro.amateur "this
mess". If this group disgusts you then you should exit, otherwise show some
respect for your fellow subscribers. Thanks.

Some of Mr. Howell's fellow subscribers think that he's a looong way
from being an abuser. And we think that it's quite a leap from "this
mess" to "disgusted." I think that Mr. Howell's remarks were aimed at
the state of the group -- the sporge attack, the trolls, and the nut
cases, and I don't see that he displayed disrespect for his fellow
readers (not subscribers.)

You want disrespect for fellow readers? This group is a mess in more
ways than one. I no longer post questions here because of
condescending, pedantic, I-know-it-all-and-I'm-never-wrong replies from
a regular who jumps in on practically every thread, however inane, and
who is attracted to idiotic questions like a moth to a flame. If that
person /really/ knew it all and were not condescending that wouldn't be
a problem for me. I admire know-it-alls who know it all. Even on the
Yahoo groups I check to see if that person is a member before I post a
question. A member of one of the Yahoo astronomy groups went so far as
to e-mail me and a few other members privately to ask if there was a
way to ask a question on a certain subject without getting a reply from
that person. Everyone agreed that would be good, but sadly, no one
could think of a way short of starting a new group and barring that
person. The "John_Doe_Need_Not_Apply_Yahoo_Astronomy_Group ?" Ain't
gonna happen! Fortunately, one of the respondents to the private e-mail
offered a friendly and useful answer to the question.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

No, it's all your fault.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:18:42 +0000 (UTC),
Sender: Anonymous Sender

Dennis Woos wrote:

I don't mind you periodically posting/advertising your website, but I
wouldn't do it too often or you risk being seen as an abuser. Also, I don't
think you are doing yourself any favours by calling sci.astro.amateur "this
mess".

well it is a mess by any definition. a bloody mess. just shows what several
assholes can do when they set about to destroy
a group that is 1000% vulnerable. Its obviously an attack on any groups still
"viable" on usenet because the sporge does not
occur anywhere else in thousands of ng's. With all of the computer wizards in
this world you would think somebody could stop this, but evidently nobody cares
enough to do it.
The media "is" the message.



If this group disgusts you then you should exit, otherwise show some
respect for your fellow subscribers. Thanks.

Dennis

You want disrespect for fellow readers? This group is a mess in more
ways than one. I no longer post questions here because of
condescending, pedantic, I-know-it-all-and-I'm-never-wrong replies from
a regular who jumps in on practically every thread, however inane, and
who is attracted to idiotic questions like a moth to a flame. If that
person /really/ knew it all and were not condescending that wouldn't be
a problem for me. ...

Wow - given your feelings I am surprised you still read/post here! I
honestly don't know which regular poster you are referring to. I have found
all of the regulars to be knowledgeable folks, and over the years I have
learned a lot. Sure, I sometimes find myself
disappointed/annoyed/****ed-off, but this too is part of the challenge and
satisfaction of getting along on a public forum. Furthermore, if you find
something/someone unhelpful or anoying you can just ignore it/them. In fact,
I have found your own Mac zealotry to be a turn-off, but have chosen not to
get involved in the discussions. Not a big deal - I suppose many of us have
topics that set us off - I hate to read about large exit pupils/wasted
light, for instance.

How about this. Let's try and treat everyone here the way we would treat
them if they were members of our astro club, and not allow the impersonal
nature of newsgroup posts to negatively effect our discussions? I would
welcome any and all of the regulars to my club, and I bet you would too.

Dennis

well it is a mess by any definition. a bloody mess. just shows what
several
assholes can do when they set about to destroy
a group that is 1000% vulnerable. Its obviously an attack on any groups
still
"viable" on usenet because the sporge does not
occur anywhere else in thousands of ng's. With all of the computer wizards
in
this world you would think somebody could stop this, but evidently nobody
cares
enough to do it.
The media "is" the message.


I don't find the sporge a big deal - I just delete it. It takes a couple of
seconds, as the off-topic titles are pretty obvious. I just don't get why
some folks find it so upsetting!

Dennis

On Jan 22, 11:40*pm, Davoud wrote:
You want disrespect for fellow readers? This group is a mess in more
ways than one. I no longer post questions here because of
condescending, pedantic, I-know-it-all-and-I'm-never-wrong replies from
a regular who jumps in on practically every thread, however inane, and
who is attracted to idiotic questions like a moth to a flame.
Davoud


Yeah. I was particularly offended one time when somebody innocently
posted about music, and their choice of the medium on which to play it
was questioned in a most condescending manner.

http://tinyurl.com/yoave3

Tom

Martin wrote:
Moderated sci.astro.amateur has lots of the solid and once contributing

I did my best to clean up "this mess" (and many others across usenet) by
actually talking to the rr.com abuse folks. Once in a while, professionals
talking to professionals actually cleans things up. I've seen none of the
crap for the past two days that we had been buried by previously.

I wouldn't object to a moderated sci.astro.amateur, but what you've got
is nothing of the sort--it's a web forum. It requires separate
registration, separate password management, a web browser, etc., etc..
The joy of usenet is that I can follow my various hobbies and interests
(coffee, fencing, astronomy, computers, security, and so on) without
having a dozen different bookmarks for a dozen different websites, each
with its own login and password and software.

Web forums are a significant step backwards from the 28-year-old technology
of usenet.

Also, I'd be much happier if you had called it something other than
"moderated sci.astro.amateur", which pretty clearly suggests a usenet
group. It just ain't one. Worse, it isn't as good as one.

Colin