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Old June 1st 13, 08:08 AM
David Levy David Levy is offline
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So far the Science was able to produce anti-matter at CERN:
http://press.web.cern.ch/press-relea...d-trapped-cern
"Antimatter atoms produced and trapped at CERN"
"Antimatter – or the lack of it – remains one of the biggest mysteries of science. Matter and its counterpart are identical except for opposite charge, and they annihilate when they meet."
"Antihydrogen atoms are produced in a vacuum at CERN, but are nevertheless surrounded by normal matter. Because matter and antimatter annihilate when they meet, the antihydrogen atoms have a very short life expectancy. This can be extended, however, by using strong and complex magnetic fields to trap them and thus prevent them from coming into contact with matter."
So, the Science was able to generate an AntiAtom and keep it for short time based on the magnetic field and acceleration power at CERN.
Therefore, we should look at the universe and try to find if there is any possibility for the nature to create Antiatom or even an Atom.
I have found two possibilities as follow:
Magnetar star and the core of spiral galaxy
Magnetar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetar
A magnetar is a type of neutron star with an extremely powerful magnetic field,
Magnetars are characterized by their extremely powerful magnetic fields of 108-1011 tesla.[5] These magnetic fields are hundreds of millions of times stronger than any man-made magnet,[6] and quadrillions of times more powerful than the field surrounding Earth.
So, a magnetar which is stronger hundreds of millions of time than the one at CERN should have the requested power to generate AntiAtom for long live time or even an Atom…
Core of spiral galaxy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Center
"The Galactic Center is the rotational center of the Milky Way galaxy… Existence of a supermassive black hole at the Galactic Center, on the order of 4 million solar masses.[18]… The nature of the Galaxy's bar which extends across the Galactic Center is also actively debated…The bar may be surrounded by a ring called the "5-kpc ring" that contains a large fraction of the molecular hydrogen present in the galaxy, as well as most of the Milky Way's star formation activity.
"Work presented in 2002 by Antony Stark and Chris Martin mapping the gas density in a 400 light-year region around the Galactic Center has revealed an accumulating ring with a mass several million times that of the Sun and near the critical density for star formation… The bar may be surrounded by a ring called the "5-kpc ring" that contains a large fraction of the molecular hydrogen present in the galaxy, as well as most of the Milky Way's star formation activity."
New born stars – "They seem to have all been formed in a single star formation event a few million years ago. The existence of these relatively young (though evolved) stars was a surprise to experts, who expected the tidal forces from the central black hole to prevent their formation."
So, the Center of the Milky way is a rotational supermassive black hole. Potentially it should have the power to accelerate the Atom as the science did at CERN but with much much higher power. Therefore, it might have the requested power which is needed to generate Hydrogen Atom. A strong evidence for that is the bar which is surrounded by a ring that contains a large fraction of the molecular hydrogen present in the galaxy. This huge Atom creation is the base for the most of the Milky Way's star formation activity. – New born Star!!!
Do you agree?
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Old June 2nd 13, 06:10 PM posted to sci.astro
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On Jun 1, 12:08*am, David Levy
wrote:
So far the Science was able to produce anti-matter at CERN:http://tinyurl..com/ltkmhb8
"Antimatter atoms produced and trapped at CERN"
"Antimatter or the lack of it remains one of the biggest mysteries
of science. Matter and its counterpart are identical except for opposite
charge, and they annihilate when they meet."
"Antihydrogen atoms are produced in a vacuum at CERN, but are
nevertheless surrounded by normal matter. Because matter and antimatter
annihilate when they meet, the antihydrogen atoms have a very short life
expectancy. This can be extended, however, by using strong and complex
magnetic fields to trap them and thus prevent them from coming into
contact with matter."
So, the Science was able to generate an AntiAtom *and keep it for short
time based on the magnetic field and acceleration power at CERN.
Therefore, we should look at the universe and try to find if there is
any possibility for the nature to create Antiatom or even an Atom.
I have found two possibilities as follow:
Magnetar star and the core of spiral galaxy
Magnetar:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetar
A magnetar is a type of neutron star with an extremely powerful magnetic
field,
Magnetars are characterized by their extremely powerful magnetic fields
of 108-1011 tesla.[5] These magnetic fields are hundreds of millions of
times stronger than any man-made magnet,[6] and quadrillions of times
more powerful than the field surrounding Earth.
So, a magnetar which is stronger hundreds of millions of time than the
one at CERN should have the requested power to generate AntiAtom for
long live time or even an Atom
Core of spiral galaxyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Center
"The Galactic Center is the rotational center of the Milky Way galaxy
Existence of a supermassive black hole at the Galactic Center, on the
order of 4 million solar masses.[18] The nature of the Galaxy's bar
which extends across the Galactic Center is also actively debated The
bar may be surrounded by a ring called the "5-kpc ring" that contains a
large fraction of the molecular hydrogen present in the galaxy, as well
as most of the Milky Way's star formation activity.
"Work presented in 2002 by Antony Stark and Chris Martin mapping the gas
density in a 400 light-year region around the Galactic Center has
revealed an accumulating ring with a mass several million times that of
the Sun and near the critical density for star formation The bar may be
surrounded by a ring called the "5-kpc ring" that contains a large
fraction of the molecular hydrogen present in the galaxy, as well as
most of the Milky Way's star formation activity."
New born stars "They seem to have all been formed in a single star
formation event a few million years ago. The existence of these
relatively young (though evolved) stars was a surprise to experts, who
expected the tidal forces from the central black hole to prevent their
formation."
So, the Center of the Milky way is a rotational supermassive black hole.
Potentially it should have the power to accelerate the Atom as the
science did at CERN but with much much higher power. Therefore, it might
have the requested power which is needed to generate Hydrogen Atom. *A
strong evidence for that is the bar which is surrounded by a ring that
contains a large fraction of the molecular hydrogen present in the
galaxy. This huge Atom creation is the base for the most of the Milky
Way's star formation activity. New born Star!!!
Do you agree?

--
David Levy


Without 25+% helium, main-sequence and especially red dwarf stars can
not form. So. where's all of the molecular/nebula worth of helium
cloud detection hiding itself?

How large of main-sequence star can be formed nowadays (13.8e9 years
after the supposed BB having produced mostly hydrogen stars of 1000+
SM)?
50 SM?
100 SM?
250 SM?
500 SM?
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Old June 2nd 13, 09:51 PM
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Brad Guth_3: Without 25+% helium, main-sequence and especially red dwarf stars can not form.
O.K. – So you want Helium…
Let's think about the Magnetar power - Magnetars are characterized by their extremely powerful magnetic fields of 108-1011 tesla.[5] These magnetic fields are hundreds of millions of times stronger than any man-made magnet.
Now let's think about the power of the rotational supermassive black hole at the Galactic Center – which might be billions over billions times stronger than any man-made magnet.
If this Galactic center has the power to generate Hydrogen Atom, don't you think that it might have the requested power which is needed to convert two Hydrogen atom into Helium? The Galactic center is much more powerful then the sun. If the Sun can do it, then it should be a piece of cake for the Galactic center...
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Old June 6th 13, 05:26 PM posted to sci.astro
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On 01/06/2013 3:08 AM, David Levy wrote:
So, the Center of the Milky way is a rotational supermassive black hole.
Potentially it should have the power to accelerate the Atom as the
science did at CERN but with much much higher power. Therefore, it might
have the requested power which is needed to generate Hydrogen Atom. A
strong evidence for that is the bar which is surrounded by a ring that
contains a large fraction of the molecular hydrogen present in the
galaxy. This huge Atom creation is the base for the most of the Milky
Way's star formation activity. – New born Star!!!
Do you agree?


You're misunderstanding what the role of the magnetic field is here. The
magnetic field they use at CERN is a containment field. It is a mildly
powerful and complexly shaped magnetic field, used to separate the
antimatter from touching the matter. This magnetic field is not used to
create the atom in the first place.

CERN uses a different magnetic field to accelerate the particles which
will then get collided to create the antimatter particles. That is not a
containment magnetic field, that's simply an accelerator magnetic field.

So really it makes no difference if the magnetic field is on a neutron
star or a blackhole, the purpose of the more important magnetic field is
to simply create a containment field to separate it from matter.

Yousuf Khan
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Old June 6th 13, 10:35 PM posted to sci.astro
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On Jun 2, 1:51*pm, David Levy
wrote:
*- Brad Guth_3: Without 25+% helium, main-sequence and especially red
dwarf stars can not form. -


O.K. – So you want Helium…
Let's think about the Magnetar power - Magnetars are characterized by
their extremely powerful magnetic fields of 108-1011 tesla.[5] These
magnetic fields are hundreds of millions of times stronger than any
man-made magnet.
Now let's think about the power of the rotational supermassive black
hole at the Galactic Center – which might be billions over billions
times stronger than any man-made magnet.
If this Galactic center has the power to generate Hydrogen Atom, don't
you think that it might have the requested power which is needed to
convert two Hydrogen atom into Helium? The Galactic center is much more
powerful then the sun. If the Sun can do it, then it should be a piece
of cake for the Galactic center...

--
David Levy


According to interpretations by mpc755, everything of ordinary
molecular matter (aka atoms) condensed out of the aether spewed from
the polar jets of black holes.

However, I believe it has been objectively proven that hydrogen fusion
creates helium, in addition to a wee bit that's always created from
certain types of fission.

Some super-massive stars are nearly all helium, with a core of carbon
building up as the surrounding helium fusion process continues.

mpc755 wants us to accept that elements like hydrogen and helium
condense out of the ongoing flow of aether, instead of materializing
from that magical BB process derived from nothing, which offers us
zilch worth of anything objective to go by unless prior to the BB our
universe was contained in a pair of enormously massive black holes
that merged and imploded from containing too much mass packed into too
small of volume.

If helium supposedly started out as representing 24% the mass of our
universe, one could easily speculate that by now it should be worth
considerably more as the unavoidable main-sequence of hydrogen fusion
and otherwise heavy element fission keeps making more of it, and
perhaps most of that unbound helium that’s created on the ISM and IGM
fly is also unionized, as nearly invisible and kinda immortal because
helium doesn’t naturally bind with anything.

The faint ionized bluish color of helium is detectable, but only with
applied narrow bandpass image filtering and/or color channel
emphasizing, because those helium photons are simply considerably less
illuminating than hydrogen unless undergoing fusion, and the unionized
helium is practically as invisible as aether, and yet this all-
inclusive helium could represent as much as a third(2e55 kg) the mass
of our 6e55 kg universe that’s mostly comprised of dark matter or
aether.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba.../#.Ua3yAjdOSSo

http://www.eso.org/public/archives/i...n/eso1111a.jpg
“In this kinda-sorta false color image from the ESO’s Very Large
Telescope, blue shows ionized helium at a wavelength of 468.6
nanometers (which is roughly blue to the eye), green is unionized
helium (587.6 nm, green to the eye), and red is warm hydrogen (656 nm,
again, red). It’s not really true color because the filters used to
make this image are what astronomers call very narrow, letting through
only a very thin slice of a given color. What we call red to the eye
is actually a wide range of wavelengths, covering 650 to 700
nanometers. But the red filter used in this image only lets through a
teeny sliver of red light, where hydrogen tends to emit. Any red
outside that wavelength doesn’t get through, and the same is true for
the colors of the other filters.”

There’s actually enough spare helium to entirely comprise a few super-
massive and ultra-bright stars as having hardly any hydrogen, and
otherwise as eventually having become carbon from the demise of stars
that sequenced their spent helium as carbon into forming white dwarfs,
and thereby inferring an ongoing reduction in the available mass of
hydrogen unless the ongoing flow of aether is still capable of
creating that element of hydrogen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_helium_star
“The known extreme helium stars are supergiants where hydrogen is
underabundant by a factor of 10,000 or more. The surface temperatures
of these stars range from 9,000–35,000 K. They are primarily composed
of helium, with the second most abundant element, carbon, forming
about one atom per 100 atoms of helium. The chemical composition of
these stars implies that they have undergone both hydrogen and helium
burning at some stage of their evolution.”

Perhaps 99% of whatever solar wind given off by these extreme helium
supergiants is simply blowing off extremely hot and obviously ionized
helium, because their 12~14% mass as inert carbon that’s surrounded by
helium fusion, by rights should remain as nicely sequestered at their
core.

Eventually when this universe becomes mostly helium along with its
demise as carbon from the fusion of its helium, we’ll get another BB,
or at least one hell of a helium flashover as most everything turns
into an extremely compressed carbon sphere of 100,000 K that should be
nearly immortal considering there’s nothing left to transfer heat or
energy to.

Back to pondering Sirius(b), as it must have produced quite an
impressive initial birth as its "clumpy and episodic" main-sequence
phase, and came to an extremely feisty and vibrant life as of so
recently, and nearby to us.
http://www.space.com/21444-sun-growt...evolution.html
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/sc..._124818160.htm
““The researchers found that TW Hydrae's growth process was "clumpy
and episodic" as the accreting gas did not fall into the star at a
steady, even rate. For example, the amount of material landing on the
star changed by a factor of five over the course of a few days. That
suggested the Sun probably also grew in fits and starts in its
infancy.””



 




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