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Is spacetime disappearing at the center of a celestial body withmass?



 
 
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Old February 1st 10, 10:46 AM posted to sci.astro
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If the matrix of spacetime is accelerating inwards from everywhere on
the circumference of a sphere with mass, shouldn't spacetime then
disappear at the center of the mass? If you have two individuals on
opposite sides of this planet, one on the north pole and another one
one the south pole. Both these individuals are accelerating towards
each other by 9.81 m/s2, but they don't get any closer to each other.
If spacetime didn't disappear at the center of the earth, wouldn't it
be impossible for these two individuals to accelerate towards each
other?
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Old February 1st 10, 11:00 AM posted to sci.astro
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"Zanthius" wrote in message
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If the matrix of spacetime is accelerating inwards


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Old February 1st 10, 11:18 AM posted to sci.astro
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Correction. Any acceleration is a divergence from the general flow of
spacetime. So if I am accelerating towards the center of the earth,
then the matrix of spacetime should be flowing outwards from the
center of the earth, not inwards. As I am stationary on the surface of
the earth, I am perceived as accelerating inwards, as the general flow
of spacetime goes outwards. Spacetime has to be continuously "created"
at the center of the earth. It shouldn't be disappearing there.


On Feb 1, 11:46*am, Zanthius wrote:
If the matrix of spacetime is accelerating inwards from everywhere on
the circumference of a sphere with mass, shouldn't spacetime then
disappear at the center of the mass? If you have two individuals on
opposite sides of this planet, one on the north pole and another one
one the south pole. Both these individuals are accelerating towards
each other by 9.81 m/s2, but they don't get any closer to each other.
If spacetime didn't disappear at the center of the earth, wouldn't it
be impossible for these two individuals to accelerate towards each
other?


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Old February 1st 10, 02:54 PM posted to sci.astro
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Dear Zanthius:

On Feb 1, 3:46*am, Zanthius wrote:
If the matrix of spacetime is accelerating inwards
from everywhere on the circumference of a sphere
with mass, shouldn't spacetime then disappear at
the center of the mass?


Yes, the whole idea is bollixed up. Spacetime is a mathematical
abstraction, and does not disappear down Alice's rabbit hole. Neither
"falling space" or any of its variants make any sense whatsoever. If
you want to waste time on another fairy tale, try "LeSage
gravitation".

David A. Smith
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Old February 1st 10, 03:14 PM posted to sci.astro
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On Feb 1, 3:54*pm, dlzc wrote:
Yes, the whole idea is bollixed up. *Spacetime is a mathematical
abstraction, and does not disappear down Alice's rabbit hole. *Neither
"falling space" or any of its variants make any sense whatsoever. *If
you want to waste time on another fairy tale, try "LeSage
gravitation".

David A. Smith


Well, if the earth was a spaceship and I am pulled towards the ground,
then the earth must be accelerating upwards for me to feel a a force
of 1G downwards.
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Old February 1st 10, 06:41 PM posted to sci.astro
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Dear Zanthius:

On Feb 1, 8:14*am, Zanthius wrote:
On Feb 1, 3:54*pm, dlzc wrote:

Yes, the whole idea is bollixed up. *Spacetime
is a mathematical abstraction, and does not
disappear down Alice's rabbit hole. *Neither
"falling space" or any of its variants make any
sense whatsoever. *If you want to waste time
on another fairy tale, try "LeSage gravitation".


Well, if the earth was a spaceship and I am
pulled towards the ground, then the earth
must be accelerating upwards for me to feel a
a force of 1G downwards.


Yea, too bad that "acceleration by gravity" is fundamentally different
than acceleration by a force system.

If you fire thrusters to change your orbit, you feel a force upwards
by your seat (or other ways by straps). When you are on Earth,
Earth's surface applies a force to you to keep you from proceeding
along your force-free geodesic... an ellipse with its major axis
aligned to your current position. Still no need for "force actors" to
get gravitation.

David A. Smith
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Old February 1st 10, 07:02 PM posted to sci.astro
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On Feb 1, 7:41*pm, dlzc wrote:
Yea, too bad that "acceleration by gravity" is fundamentally different
than acceleration by a force system.


Well, suppose that the earth is growing in size in such a way that the
surface of the planet is accelerated upwards in all directions at 9,81
m/s2. How would this be different from an object falling towards the
earth at 9.81 m/s2?
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Old February 1st 10, 07:22 PM posted to sci.astro
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Zanthius wrote:
On Feb 1, 7:41 pm, dlzc wrote:
Yea, too bad that "acceleration by gravity" is fundamentally
different than acceleration by a force system.


Well, suppose that the earth is growing in size in such a way that the
surface of the planet is accelerated upwards in all directions at 9,81
m/s2. How would this be different from an object falling towards the
earth at 9.81 m/s2?


Well, for one thing, you couldn't see the "accelerating
force" until/unless you were in contact with the surface.

Bob M.


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Old February 1st 10, 07:34 PM posted to sci.astro
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On Feb 1, 8:22*pm, "Bob Myers" wrote:
Well, for one thing, you couldn't see the "accelerating
force" until/unless you were in contact with the surface.


Well, if the sun's growth vector is equal to the earth's vector away
from the sun, won't the earth then stay in a stable orbit?
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Old February 1st 10, 07:44 PM posted to sci.astro
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Dear Zanthius:

On Feb 1, 12:34*pm, Zanthius wrote:
On Feb 1, 8:22*pm, "Bob Myers" wrote:

Well, for one thing, you couldn't see the "accelerating
force" until/unless you were in contact with the surface.


Well, if the sun's growth vector is equal to the earth's
vector away from the sun, won't the earth then stay in
a stable orbit?


But none of the other planets can, and we can't stay in orbit around
the Milky Way, and so on. It is a house of cards that folds up with
but a few moments thought.

David A. Smith
 




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