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Venus for dummies (1.0) / Brad Guth (GuthVenus)
How long would it take for us humans to fully exploit and deplete
another planet or large moon? Using Earth as an example, and knowing that only since the last ice- age cycle abruptly terminated as of 11,712 years ago (as a timeline starting-point), would suggest that at the outside most another planet or moon could manage to survive our advances and fulfill our needs of mass consumption is roughly 10,000 years. However, further considering that we’ve only recently advanced our rate of overpopulation and mass consumption with nearly total disregard as to the environment and its biodiversity within the last thousand years, as such might bring that off-world survival timeline down to a more realistic span of a thousand years, or 50 generations before the surface of any new planet or livable moon is systematically maximized to death (assuming a similar composite surface and seasonal tilt as Earth along with hosting numerous proxy wars). This means we’ll not only need to discover and populate another Goldilocks certified planet from time to time, but that other planets and moons will have to be continually lined up as each new planet and moon gets overpopulated and consumed by a infestation of humanity that knows no bounds and has no remorse whatsoever for any consequences of its actions. Of course, if we’d just discovered a suitable other Earth 2.0 as of a century ago, and of knowing what we can easily accomplish with our existing bigotry, greed, insider trading and proxy wars, could easily bring our next oligarch overlord dominated planet to its knees, as traumatized past the point of no return within as little as a century if the various faith-based and political rivals get to speculate, insider trade and essentially do as they please regardless of whomever we the republic elect or appoint. Ideally, what we need to discover is a very large planet of 9800 km radius with somewhat less density of perhaps averaging 3.5 g/cm3, so that surface gravity is similar or somewhat less, and the surface area is worth perhaps twice that of Earth, however for several reasons it would be nice having at least twice as much atmospheric density. Otherwise, each new planet or moon that’s Goldilocks approved would have to be restricted as to accommodating only a few fully compatible groups of humans that have most everything in common. Secondly (as our plan B), in order to hold onto whatever terrestrial resource remainders and survive within the GW/AGW consequences we have at hand, whereas instead of our migrating to another planet or habitable moon of a gas giant or brown dwarf, we could simply relocate our moon, as to station-keeping within the Earth L1 halo orbit. This would require some complex logistics of orbital expertise and applied physics, as well as always forward-thinking which is actually hard to come by nowadays, especially when moon relocation is not going to be any geoengineered quick fix. Of course the use of TBMs in order to excavate and tunnel inside as to establishing a vast number of human complex habitats, would make even our little moon as perfectly good to go for many thousands of years, and this effort of moon relocation would also eliminate our out-of-control GW and more than offset AGW issues, as well as cut our ocean tides by 50% and reduce seismic plate tectonic issues by 75% (thereby saving the infrastructure and biodiversity of Earth at the very least 0.1 trillion dollars per month, or a full trillion per month in 2050 dollars) by figuring on Earth hosting ten billion humans, and essentially not enough of anything to go around. I’ll have to continue editing in order to add better context to this one, but hopefully this initial concept of our human off-world expansion will get you Moors thinking as to what we should do once we’ve managed to get ourselves onto another planet (hot or cold). On Feb 26, 4:32*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Jan 2, 7:45*am, Brad Guth wrote: Is Venus as truly insurmountable as we’ve been taught to believe? It’s not exactly a Goldilocks kind of place, because it’s certainly hot and seriously pressurized. Those perfectly natural looking mountains, canyons and the associated rock seem about right. The atmosphere is mostly toxic to us, but well above them thick acidic clouds it gets way colder than anywhere here or above Earth, and so what gives with that? As to its surface, is there anything that’s otherwise out of place or irregular upon its hot crust and of the mountainous geology of its roasted to death terrain and subsequent erosion that’s perhaps even a wee bit unnatural or unexpected? http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”,GuthVenus “GuthVenus” at 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow... It’s always amazing how topics associated with the investigative exploitation of our moon, Venus or even that of utilizing their L1 or L2, has been so systematically policy taboo/nondisclosure controlled by those of our mainstream status-quo facade of *authority, in that any honest attempt of a given topic to expose is automatically forbidden (other than being topic/author stalked and trashed for all those at risk of façade exposure can muster). As soon as any topic or its author is the least bit suggestive that our government is capable of not having told us the whole truth about anything, a gauntlet of all sorts of topic/author stalking hell breaks loose on behalf of mainstream damage-control. Of course we also do not see any K-12s anywhere within public Usenet/ newsgroups for a darn good reason, because freedom of speech is actually managed as something entirely conditional as to the audience at hand. *This is also why most institutionalized prisoners are never given internet access as to any public forums or mainstream media that might offer an audience that isn’t being controlled or manipulated, and most Americans as well as other Nations of oligarch controlled intellect seem to like it that way. Social media forums like Facebook, Twitter *and even Google+ are equally managed on a client by client basis, of receiving context as well as for transmitting information to any other given client or group/circle of friends, making it really quite downright handy for our NSA/CIA and you name it agency or special-interest group of pretentious or self-righteous authority to monitor as well as to step right in and covertly control opr dominate any given situation, because public publishing of too much truth isn’t actually tolerated. Nowadays, mainstream internet and especially intranet servers are capable of managing each individual client, as to whatever they get to see, because most Americans are simply not smart enough to get past the mainstream façade. “Façade is an artificial intelligence-based art/research experiment in electronic narrative – an attempt to move beyond traditional branching or hyper-linked ...” Façade/facade: “An artificial or deceptive front: ideological slogans that were a façade for geopolitical power struggles.” Most proxy wars are essentially façades for reasons that the general public isn’t allowed to discover, and the ongoing ruse and usually FUD involved within our mainstream façade, is quite real, as is the faith- based façade that’s continually indoctrinated into us from birth to grave. On the other positive/constructive hand; *where’s the down side to off- world exploitations? Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software, as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary). “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question: *https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow.... *http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif *https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth# *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus |
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Venus for dummies (1.0) / Brad Guth (GuthVenus)
On Mar 9, 12:17*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
How long would it take for us humans to fully exploit and deplete another planet or large moon? Using Earth as an example, and knowing that only since the last ice- age cycle abruptly terminated as of 11,712 years ago (as a timeline starting-point), would suggest that at the outside most another planet or moon could manage to survive our advances and fulfill our needs of mass consumption is roughly 10,000 years. *However, further considering that we’ve only recently advanced our rate of overpopulation and mass consumption with nearly total disregard as to the environment and its biodiversity within the last thousand years, as such might bring that off-world survival timeline down to a more realistic span of a thousand years, or 50 generations before the surface of any new planet or livable moon is systematically maximized to death (assuming a similar composite surface and seasonal tilt as Earth along with hosting numerous proxy wars). This means we’ll not only need to discover and populate another Goldilocks certified planet from time to time, but that other planets and moons will have to be continually lined up as each new planet and moon gets overpopulated and consumed by a infestation of humanity that knows no bounds and has no remorse whatsoever for any consequences of its actions. Of course, if we’d just discovered a suitable other Earth 2.0 as of a century ago, *and of knowing what we can easily accomplish with our existing bigotry, greed, insider trading and proxy wars, could easily bring our next oligarch overlord dominated planet to its knees, as traumatized past the point of no return within as little as a century if the various faith-based and political rivals get to speculate, insider trade and essentially do as they please regardless of whomever we the republic elect or appoint. Ideally, what we need to discover is a very large planet of 9800 km radius with somewhat less density of perhaps averaging 3.5 g/cm3, so that surface gravity is similar or somewhat less, and the surface area is worth perhaps twice that of Earth, however for several reasons it would be nice having at least twice as much atmospheric density. Otherwise, each new planet or moon that’s Goldilocks approved would have to be restricted as to accommodating only a few fully compatible groups of humans that have most everything in common. Secondly (as our plan B), in order to hold onto whatever terrestrial resource remainders and survive within the GW/AGW consequences we have at hand, whereas instead of our migrating to another planet or habitable moon of a gas giant or brown dwarf, we could simply relocate our moon, as to station-keeping within the Earth L1 halo orbit. *This would require some complex logistics of orbital expertise and applied physics, as well as always forward-thinking which is actually hard to come by nowadays, especially when moon relocation is not going to be any geoengineered quick fix. *Of course the use of TBMs in order to excavate and tunnel inside as to establishing a vast number of human complex habitats, would make even our little moon as perfectly good to go for many thousands of years, and this effort of moon relocation would also eliminate our out-of-control GW and more than offset AGW issues, as well as cut our ocean tides by 50% and reduce seismic plate tectonic issues by 75% (thereby saving the infrastructure and biodiversity of Earth at the very least 0.1 trillion dollars per month, or a full trillion per month in 2050 dollars) by figuring on Earth hosting ten billion humans, and essentially not enough of anything to go around. Ignoring what our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer, is exactly what the mainstream oligarchs in charge want of the rest of us. Apparently, the only thing that matters is sustaining their mainstream status-quo w/o revisions. Such a pity when the brown- nosed minions get to topic/author stalk and trash these public Usenet/ newsgroups (unmoderated newsgroups like alt.astronomy), keeping K-12s and anyone else they can intimidate and even terrorize at free will. https://groups.google.com/group/alt....y/topics?hl=en No wonder this nation is becoming such a lost cause, and future generations are already destined to being past the point of no return. For those few willing and brave enough to read and contribute to this and other public topics, you need to be aware of what the motivations and hidden agendas are of those disrupting and even hijacking our topics have at risk. If you can't deal with this intellectual terrorism gauntlet imposed by those trashing Usenet/newsgroups, then perhaps you have no business reading or contributing to anything, much less edgy stuff that needs an open mindset. If you can't independently think for your self, you might as well give up and just parrot or robot your way though whatever life these oligarchs have planned for you, and do it with a smile. |
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Venus for dummies (1.0) / Brad Guth (GuthVenus)
Too bad the extremely nearby(100 LD) planet Venus is always so
mainstream taboo/non-disclosure rated. Earth From Space / NOVA According to the latest science capability as having been reported to us via NOVA, of looking at a given planet from space (via satellite), extracting one inch radar resolution as to terrestrial ocean surface levels and thereby a derivative of method interpreting its hidden terrain (far below sea level), while an even more advanced Canadian satellite imaging via radar accomplishes better than a quarter inch resolution mapping above sea level, are each state of the art forms of remote imaging science that we can take to the observationology bank. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/e...rom-space.html This new and improved imaging capability means that a modern satellite mission of “Magellan 2.0” by rights should nowadays be capable of accomplishing at least as good as 25 mm radar mapping resolution of the Venus surface, and accomplishing this imaging capability without our having to reinvent a damn thing. Of course you’d still have to be smart enough as to interpreting radar derivative composites of the given terrain, as hopefully differentiating between any potentially artificial or unnatural attributes as opposed to whatever should be perfectly natural, because without some deductive interpretation skill is where nothing remote imaged via camera, radar, laser altimeters or even by the naked eye can ever be trusted to interpret anything as artificial or natural. In other words, without basic image interpreting skills(as viewed from above), might as well hire the blind to deal with all of our science observationology issues. This is where all of my critics come off as being extra special, all- knowing and first-hand expertise at absolutely everything, which of course they are in fact capable of delivering nothing of the kind. Instead they impose obfuscation to suit as well as FUD and maintain absolute authority over the rest of us, because that’s their real job. In this instance of a NOVA public science media infomercial production, I can only support and applaud those of the Google NOVA team and their combined investigative scientific efforts on behalf of gathering the best available science in order to be further educating the rest of us about the global energy balance and its subsequent diversity of a highly complex environment forced upon our planet, that which probably can not manage as for sustaining 7+ billion humans without its reliable solar influx plus constant internal resupply of minerals, microbes and diatoms to go along with the mostly passive solar influx, not to mention tidal issues along with all the other secondary/recoil influx of everything from IR to gamma that’s coming off our naked moon that is also modulating our entire planet at least twice more so than is the tidal forces of our sun representing only a third of what matters. Of course using a composite rigid airship as a shuttle like probe of such extended exploratory capability hosting our science instruments, as safely and efficiently cruising below those acidic clouds (perhaps as well as for using others of somewhat conventional balloon/blimp configured as capable of easily getting their science payloads above them clouds), as such should not be banished or otherwise excluded from this ongoing need of our exploiting such extreme off-world locations, like Venus which offers us so much in mineral and/or raw element diversity. The vast majority of this new and improved imaging science is of course public funded, and even televised production provided via NOVA is mostly public funded as well as otherwise indirectly commercially funded via Google and those always higher prices that we get to pay for various goods and services. This kind of science infomercial production doesn’t come cheap, not to mention the national broadcasting service itself isn’t without public and/or consumer added cost issues, that this and the next generation always get to pay for. http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”,GuthVenus “GuthVenus” at 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question: https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...18595926178146 http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth# On Mar 9, 12:17*pm, Brad Guth wrote: How long would it take for us humans to fully exploit and deplete another planet or large moon? Using Earth as an example, and knowing that only since the last ice- age cycle abruptly terminated as of 11,712 years ago (as a timeline starting-point), would suggest that at the outside most another planet or moon could manage to survive our advances and fulfill our needs of mass consumption is roughly 10,000 years. *However, further considering that we’ve only recently advanced our rate of overpopulation and mass consumption with nearly total disregard as to the environment and its biodiversity within the last thousand years, as such might bring that off-world survival timeline down to a more realistic span of a thousand years, or 50 generations before the surface of any new planet or livable moon is systematically maximized to death (assuming a similar composite surface and seasonal tilt as Earth along with hosting numerous proxy wars). This means we’ll not only need to discover and populate another Goldilocks certified planet from time to time, but that other planets and moons will have to be continually lined up as each new planet and moon gets overpopulated and consumed by a infestation of humanity that knows no bounds and has no remorse whatsoever for any consequences of its actions. Of course, if we’d just discovered a suitable other Earth 2.0 as of a century ago, *and of knowing what we can easily accomplish with our existing bigotry, greed, insider trading and proxy wars, could easily bring our next oligarch overlord dominated planet to its knees, as traumatized past the point of no return within as little as a century if the various faith-based and political rivals get to speculate, insider trade and essentially do as they please regardless of whomever we the republic elect or appoint. Ideally, what we need to discover is a very large planet of 9800 km radius with somewhat less density of perhaps averaging 3.5 g/cm3, so that surface gravity is similar or somewhat less, and the surface area is worth perhaps twice that of Earth, however for several reasons it would be nice having at least twice as much atmospheric density. Otherwise, each new planet or moon that’s Goldilocks approved would have to be restricted as to accommodating only a few fully compatible groups of humans that have most everything in common. Secondly (as our plan B), in order to hold onto whatever terrestrial resource remainders and survive within the GW/AGW consequences we have at hand, whereas instead of our migrating to another planet or habitable moon of a gas giant or brown dwarf, we could simply relocate our moon, as to station-keeping within the Earth L1 halo orbit. *This would require some complex logistics of orbital expertise and applied physics, as well as always forward-thinking which is actually hard to come by nowadays, especially when moon relocation is not going to be any geoengineered quick fix. *Of course the use of TBMs in order to excavate and tunnel inside as to establishing a vast number of human complex habitats, would make even our little moon as perfectly good to go for many thousands of years, and this effort of moon relocation would also eliminate our out-of-control GW and more than offset AGW issues, as well as cut our ocean tides by 50% and reduce seismic plate tectonic issues by 75% (thereby saving the infrastructure and biodiversity of Earth at the very least 0.1 trillion dollars per month, or a full trillion per month in 2050 dollars) by figuring on Earth hosting ten billion humans, and essentially not enough of anything to go around. I’ll have to continue editing in order to add better context to this one, but hopefully this initial concept of our human off-world expansion will get you Moors thinking as to what we should do once we’ve managed to get ourselves onto another planet (hot or cold). On Feb 26, 4:32*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Jan 2, 7:45*am, Brad Guth wrote: Is Venus as truly insurmountable as we’ve been taught to believe? It’s not exactly a Goldilocks kind of place, because it’s certainly hot and seriously pressurized. Those perfectly natural looking mountains, canyons and the associated rock seem about right. The atmosphere is mostly toxic to us, but well above them thick acidic clouds it gets way colder than anywhere here or above Earth, and so what gives with that? As to its surface, is there anything that’s otherwise out of place or irregular upon its hot crust and of the mountainous geology of its roasted to death terrain and subsequent erosion that’s perhaps even a wee bit unnatural or unexpected? http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”,GuthVenus “GuthVenus” at 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow... It’s always amazing how topics associated with the investigative exploitation of our moon, Venus or even that of utilizing their L1 or L2, has been so systematically policy taboo/nondisclosure controlled by those of our mainstream status-quo facade of *authority, in that any honest attempt of a given topic to expose is automatically forbidden (other than being topic/author stalked and trashed for all those at risk of façade exposure can muster). As soon as any topic or its author is the least bit suggestive that our government is capable of not having told us the whole truth about anything, a gauntlet of all sorts of topic/author stalking hell breaks loose on behalf of mainstream damage-control. Of course we also do not see any K-12s anywhere within public Usenet/ newsgroups for a darn good reason, because freedom of speech is actually managed as something entirely conditional as to the audience at hand. *This is also why most institutionalized prisoners are never given internet access as to any public forums or mainstream media that might offer an audience that isn’t being controlled or manipulated, and most Americans as well as other Nations of oligarch controlled intellect seem to like it that way. Social media forums like Facebook, Twitter *and even Google+ are equally managed on a client by client basis, of receiving context as well as for transmitting information to any other given client or group/circle of friends, making it really quite downright handy for our NSA/CIA and you name it agency or special-interest group of pretentious or self-righteous authority to monitor as well as to step right in and covertly control opr dominate any given situation, because public publishing of too much truth isn’t actually tolerated. Nowadays, mainstream internet and especially intranet servers are capable of managing each individual client, as to whatever they get to see, because most Americans are simply not smart enough to get past the mainstream façade. “Façade is an artificial intelligence-based art/research experiment in electronic narrative – an attempt to move beyond traditional branching or hyper-linked ...” Façade/facade: “An artificial or deceptive front: ideological slogans that were a façade for geopolitical power struggles.” Most proxy wars are essentially façades for reasons that the general public isn’t allowed to discover, and the ongoing ruse and usually FUD involved within our mainstream façade, is quite real, as is the faith- based façade that’s continually indoctrinated into us from birth to grave. On the other positive/constructive hand; *where’s the down side to off- world exploitations? Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software, as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary). “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question: *https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow... *http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif *https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth# *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus |
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Venus for dummies (1.0) / Brad Guth (GuthVenus)
On Mar 10, 11:10*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
Too bad the extremely nearby(100 LD) planet Venus is always so mainstream taboo/non-disclosure rated. Earth From Space / NOVA According to the latest science capability as having been reported to us via NOVA, of looking at a given planet from space (via satellite), extracting one inch radar resolution as to terrestrial ocean surface levels and thereby a derivative of method interpreting its hidden terrain (far below sea level), while an even more advanced Canadian satellite imaging via radar accomplishes better than a quarter inch resolution mapping above sea level, are each state of the art forms of remote imaging science that we can take to the observationology bank. *http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/e...rom-space.html *This new and improved imaging capability means that a modern satellite mission of “Magellan 2.0” by rights should nowadays be capable of accomplishing at least as good as 25 mm radar mapping resolution of the Venus surface, and accomplishing this imaging capability without our having to reinvent a damn thing. Of course you’d still have to be smart enough as to interpreting radar derivative composites of the given terrain, as hopefully differentiating between any potentially artificial or unnatural attributes as opposed to whatever should be perfectly natural, because without some deductive interpretation skill is where nothing remote imaged via camera, radar, laser altimeters or even by the naked eye can ever be trusted to interpret anything as artificial or natural. In other words, without basic image interpreting skills(as viewed from above), might as well hire the blind to deal with all of our science observationology issues. This is where all of my critics come off as being extra special, all- knowing and first-hand expertise at absolutely everything, which of course they are in fact capable of delivering nothing of the kind. Instead they impose obfuscation to suit as well as FUD and maintain absolute authority over the rest of us, because that’s their real job. In this instance of a NOVA public science media infomercial production, I can only support and applaud those of the Google NOVA team and their combined investigative scientific efforts on behalf of gathering the best available science in order to be further educating the rest of us about the global energy balance and its subsequent diversity of a highly complex environment forced upon our planet, that which probably can not manage as for sustaining 7+ billion humans without its reliable solar influx plus constant internal resupply of minerals, microbes and diatoms to go along with the mostly passive solar influx, not to mention tidal issues along with all the other secondary/recoil influx of everything from IR to gamma that’s coming off our naked moon that is also modulating our entire planet at least twice more so than is the tidal forces of our sun representing only a third of what matters. Of course using a composite rigid airship as a shuttle like probe of such extended exploratory capability hosting our science instruments, as safely and efficiently cruising below those acidic clouds (perhaps as well as for using others of somewhat conventional balloon/blimp configured as capable of easily getting their science payloads above them clouds), as such should not be banished or otherwise excluded from this ongoing need of our exploiting such extreme off-world locations, like Venus which offers us so much in mineral and/or raw element diversity. The vast majority of this new and improved imaging science is of course public funded, and even televised production provided via NOVA is mostly public funded as well as otherwise indirectly commercially funded via Google and those always higher prices that we get to pay for various goods and services. *This kind of science infomercial production doesn’t come cheap, not to mention the national broadcasting service itself isn’t without public and/or consumer added cost issues, that this and the next generation always get to pay for. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”,GuthVenus “GuthVenus” at 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question: *https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow.... *http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif *https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth# This topic about Venus and the little area of GuthVenus isn’t about promoting all the negatives and allowing the maximum extent of obfuscation and denial that one can muster, but instead it’s about considering as to what that worse than toasty planet has to offer, and what level(s) of expertise and technology it’ll take for us to safely exploit that extremely nearby planet. Of course, if we just sit around long enough we will not have to bother with going to our moon, Mars or Venus in order to exploit those worlds for their rare and perhaps common elements that are only rare to us because of our extensive global resource depletions, because asteroids from the Sirius Oort cloud will be delivering those items of value to us within 10,000+ tonne asteroids that our very best observations and radars apparently can not detect until it's too late. However, perhaps it would be kinda nice of us to at least warn the crew of ISS, of future asteroids passing through their NO FLY zone, whereas our ISS astronauts only have a limited supply of Depends. Russia has estimated their 16+ meter rock/asteroid of roughly 10% iron and nickel that only barely missed impacting a major populated city, is perhaps only representing the tip of the cosmic iceberg arriving in the form of the Sirius Oort cloud, that's highly populated by such asteroids and likely to offer a few dozen planetoid size items. Apparently our fancy radars have become useless at detecting these fast moving and typically fast arriving items of 1e4 to 1e6 tonnes until it's too late. Perhaps this is not exactly good news for those onboard our spendy ISS that are kind of sitting ducks with hardly any physical protection or failsafe options other than early warnings giving them a chance of using their escape pods before it’s too late. Venus of course has a really nifty thick and dense atmosphere that by rights should fend off even 1e5 tonne asteroids, as well as otherwise moderating the arrival of any 1e6 tonne item down to a dull roar of causing hardly if any surface damage unless it was made of mostly (50+ %) pure heavy metals. The naked moon on the other hand is always at serious risk of even dealing with any one kg arrival, including a lethal spray of secondary debris that could easily radius and/or downrange for 1000 km, if not sent back into low orbit to only fall back at the lethal velocity of at least 2.35 km/sec upon the whole 1.1e4 km circumference, covering a thousand km wide path. Too bad that only Russians have been smart enough to deal with Venus, where as our best talent can barely get a robotic mission onto a mostly frozen to death planet that at least so far indicates as having few if any rare element that we could use, because even our moon is at least a hundredfold more valuable per cubic meter. Extracting valuable raw elements from the innards of our physically dark and paramagnetic moon, can’t be put off forever. Venus can always wait, although no other planet is situated so nearby(100 LD) and otherwise so easily accessible to our remote science (according to a recent NOVA production of “Earth From Space” whereas our modern satellite radar imaging of Earth can nowadays obtain 25 mm resolution of its surface), and it’s at least better than half that for mapping the naked surface of our moon at just 6 mm/pixel. According to recent improvements in radar imaging, even terrestrial ground based radar imaging of Venus should be able to achieve 25 meter resolution, or figure 0.25 meter resolution of our moon. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/e...rom-space.html Gold, silver, platinum and so many other rare and valuable elements to most of us, that typically require extensive mining excavations with often bloody and lethal consequences, as well as spendy processing along with consuming loads of energy that's also in short supply, not to mention our having to deal with the subsequent environment pollution along with some of their direct toxicity and global biodiversity impact issues (all of which being negative), are perfectly good reasons as to why off-world exploitations can't be such a bad idea. The likes of our moon and Venus should offer at least a combined teratonne of gold, and otherwise many teratonnes of other precious metals like silver, nickel, copper and zinc, not to mention those heavy reactive atomic elements like uranium, thorium and of course always radium and natural plutonium shouldn’t be unexpected. We can also use nuclear energy as well as thermonuclear weapons in order to mine and excavate our way into and through vast amounts of crust. Nuclear powered TBMs could be used for tunneling into our moon, and unlimited environment damage can become an acceptable tradeoff. Where’s the down side? Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software, as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be asking too much. Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra applied filtering and thereby image enhancing for dynamic range compensations can further improve upon the end result (no direct pixel modifications should ever be necessary, because it’s all a derivative from the original Magellan radar imaging). “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question: https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...18595926178146 http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth# http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus |
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Venus for dummies (1.0) / Brad Guth (GuthVenus)
As for Goldilocks surviving on the surface of Venus has never been my
intentions or any such suggestions for others. My thoughts were always about the exploitation potential and accomplishing this via mostly robotics, but otherwise using a well insulated composite rigid airship that could easily accommodate a crew of more than a thousand doesn’t seem all that insurmountable. The fact that others may have already been their and doing their own exploitations, is just further evidence and proof of why we should be doing the same. A chemical fluid and nuclear powered airship still seems like a good idea. Of course air conditioning the main cabin areas of this enormous flying machine is going to take more than a few window mounted air conditioners, and not that keeping the hydrogen gas as hot as possible isn’t a perfectly good idea. On Mar 13, 1:19 pm, Double-A wrote: "The cooling elements are sandwiches of a normal metal, a 1-nanometer- thick insulating layer, and a superconducting metal. When a voltage is applied, the hottest electrons "tunnel" from the normal metal through the insulator to the superconductor. The temperature in the normal metal drops dramatically and drains electronic and vibrational energy from the object being cooled." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0308183821.htm Maxwell's Demon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon Double-A Now that's getting our moneys worth out of a public investment. Too bad our spendy NIF can’t seem to manage the same. Besides all sorts of new and improved terrestrial applications, this new and improved refrigeration as efficient heat transferring without moving parts or using freons should do wonders for cooling applications on Venus, as well as for managing temperatures within the GuthVenus composite rigid airship. This might eventually replace using helium, which is often not getting recycled enough as is, and natural resources of helium are greatly depleted or simply vented off as an unavoidable composite of our hydrocarbons and natural gas exploitations and their mass consumption. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0308183821.htm "It's one of the most flabbergasting results I've seen," project leader Joel Ullom says. "We used quantum mechanics in a nanostructure to cool a block of copper. The copper is about a million times heavier than the refrigerating elements. This is a rare example of a nano- or microelectromechanical machine that can manipulate the macroscopic world." “The technology may offer a compact, convenient means of chilling advanced sensors below standard cryogenic temperatures -- 300 milliKelvin (mK), typically achieved by use of liquid helium -- to enhance their performance in quantum information systems, telescope cameras, and searches for mysterious dark matter and dark energy. As described in Applied Physics Letters, the NIST refrigerator's cooling elements, consisting of 48 tiny sandwiches of specific materials, chilled a plate of copper, 2.5 centimeters on a side and 3 millimeters thick, from 290 mK to 256 mK. The cooling process took about 18 hours. NIST researchers expect that minor improvements will enable faster and further cooling to about 100 mK.” This is the sort of positive/constructive R&D advancements that the public should be willing to pay for. Perhaps sequestering of public funding is going to turn out as a very good way of bringing forth any number of technology improvements. On Mar 9, 12:17*pm, Brad Guth wrote: How long would it take for us humans to fully exploit and deplete another planet or large moon? Using Earth as an example, and knowing that only since the last ice- age cycle abruptly terminated as of 11,712 years ago (as a timeline starting-point), would suggest that at the outside most another planet or moon could manage to survive our advances and fulfill our needs of mass consumption is roughly 10,000 years. *However, further considering that we’ve only recently advanced our rate of overpopulation and mass consumption with nearly total disregard as to the environment and its biodiversity within the last thousand years, as such might bring that off-world survival timeline down to a more realistic span of a thousand years, or 50 generations before the surface of any new planet or livable moon is systematically maximized to death (assuming a similar composite surface and seasonal tilt as Earth along with hosting numerous proxy wars). This means we’ll not only need to discover and populate another Goldilocks certified planet from time to time, but that other planets and moons will have to be continually lined up as each new planet and moon gets overpopulated and consumed by a infestation of humanity that knows no bounds and has no remorse whatsoever for any consequences of its actions. Of course, if we’d just discovered a suitable other Earth 2.0 as of a century ago, *and of knowing what we can easily accomplish with our existing bigotry, greed, insider trading and proxy wars, could easily bring our next oligarch overlord dominated planet to its knees, as traumatized past the point of no return within as little as a century if the various faith-based and political rivals get to speculate, insider trade and essentially do as they please regardless of whomever we the republic elect or appoint. Ideally, what we need to discover is a very large planet of 9800 km radius with somewhat less density of perhaps averaging 3.5 g/cm3, so that surface gravity is similar or somewhat less, and the surface area is worth perhaps twice that of Earth, however for several reasons it would be nice having at least twice as much atmospheric density. Otherwise, each new planet or moon that’s Goldilocks approved would have to be restricted as to accommodating only a few fully compatible groups of humans that have most everything in common. Secondly (as our plan B), in order to hold onto whatever terrestrial resource remainders and survive within the GW/AGW consequences we have at hand, whereas instead of our migrating to another planet or habitable moon of a gas giant or brown dwarf, we could simply relocate our moon, as to station-keeping within the Earth L1 halo orbit. *This would require some complex logistics of orbital expertise and applied physics, as well as always forward-thinking which is actually hard to come by nowadays, especially when moon relocation is not going to be any geoengineered quick fix. *Of course the use of TBMs in order to excavate and tunnel inside as to establishing a vast number of human complex habitats, would make even our little moon as perfectly good to go for many thousands of years, and this effort of moon relocation would also eliminate our out-of-control GW and more than offset AGW issues, as well as cut our ocean tides by 50% and reduce seismic plate tectonic issues by 75% (thereby saving the infrastructure and biodiversity of Earth at the very least 0.1 trillion dollars per month, or a full trillion per month in 2050 dollars) by figuring on Earth hosting ten billion humans, and essentially not enough of anything to go around. I’ll have to continue editing in order to add better context to this one, but hopefully this initial concept of our human off-world expansion will get you Moors thinking as to what we should do once we’ve managed to get ourselves onto another planet (hot or cold). On Feb 26, 4:32*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Jan 2, 7:45*am, Brad Guth wrote: Is Venus as truly insurmountable as we’ve been taught to believe? It’s not exactly a Goldilocks kind of place, because it’s certainly hot and seriously pressurized. Those perfectly natural looking mountains, canyons and the associated rock seem about right. The atmosphere is mostly toxic to us, but well above them thick acidic clouds it gets way colder than anywhere here or above Earth, and so what gives with that? As to its surface, is there anything that’s otherwise out of place or irregular upon its hot crust and of the mountainous geology of its roasted to death terrain and subsequent erosion that’s perhaps even a wee bit unnatural or unexpected? http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”,GuthVenus “GuthVenus” at 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow... It’s always amazing how topics associated with the investigative exploitation of our moon, Venus or even that of utilizing their L1 or L2, has been so systematically policy taboo/nondisclosure controlled by those of our mainstream status-quo facade of *authority, in that any honest attempt of a given topic to expose is automatically forbidden (other than being topic/author stalked and trashed for all those at risk of façade exposure can muster). As soon as any topic or its author is the least bit suggestive that our government is capable of not having told us the whole truth about anything, a gauntlet of all sorts of topic/author stalking hell breaks loose on behalf of mainstream damage-control. Of course we also do not see any K-12s anywhere within public Usenet/ newsgroups for a darn good reason, because freedom of speech is actually managed as something entirely conditional as to the audience at hand. *This is also why most institutionalized prisoners are never given internet access as to any public forums or mainstream media that might offer an audience that isn’t being controlled or manipulated, and most Americans as well as other Nations of oligarch controlled intellect seem to like it that way. Social media forums like Facebook, Twitter *and even Google+ are equally managed on a client by client basis, of receiving context as well as for transmitting information to any other given client or group/circle of friends, making it really quite downright handy for our NSA/CIA and you name it agency or special-interest group of pretentious or self-righteous authority to monitor as well as to step right in and covertly control opr dominate any given situation, because public publishing of too much truth isn’t actually tolerated. Nowadays, mainstream internet and especially intranet servers are capable of managing each individual client, as to whatever they get to see, because most Americans are simply not smart enough to get past the mainstream façade. “Façade is an artificial intelligence-based art/research experiment in electronic narrative – an attempt to move beyond traditional branching or hyper-linked ...” Façade/facade: “An artificial or deceptive front: ideological slogans that were a façade for geopolitical power struggles.” Most proxy wars are essentially façades for reasons that the general public isn’t allowed to discover, and the ongoing ruse and usually FUD involved within our mainstream façade, is quite real, as is the faith- based façade that’s continually indoctrinated into us from birth to grave. On the other positive/constructive hand; *where’s the down side to off- world exploitations? Be my guest and apply your very own photographic enlargement software, as to viewing this one small but rather interesting area of Venus, using your independent deductive expertise as to enlarge or magnify this mountainous area of Venus that I’ve focused upon, shouldn’t be asking too much. *Most of modern PhotoZoom and other photographic software variations tend to accomplish this enlargement process automatically (including iPhone and Safari), although some extra filtering and dynamic range compensations can further improve on the end result (no direct pixel modifications are ever necessary). “GuthVenus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question: *https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...Guth#slideshow... *http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hi...c115s095_1.gif *https://picasaweb.google.com/1027362...8634/BradGuth# *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus |
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