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Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth
Wouldn't you just know it, that the first of the Venus EXPRESS 6
composite images as having been officially processed for delivering to us village idiots the most eye-candy and otherwise contributed for our investigative pleasure, whereas thus far such images are showing a semi-thermal gradient ratio of .075 to 0.5, as representing a 6.67:1 ratio from the fully solar illuminated side to significant portions of the nighttime atmospheric season as being considerably cooler. Actually, some of the coolest zones are not worth 0.05, thus we're talking 10:1 as being the maximum differential, that which doesn't surprise myself one bit. It's the transitions from daytime to tighttime and of the polar vortex patterns that are the most reveiling. In addition to whatever's of an unavoidably extra toasty atmospheric season of daytime, as false colour depicted and as otherwise expected it seems the much cooler nighttime season is covering a considerably greater percentage of that atmospheric environment by something near 15%, with a great deal of thermal energy extraction taking place at the poles. Since these images are a composite of UV through near-IR is why there's no specific thermal gradient involved, other than the afforded by the observed differential that's as great as 10:1 as based upon the graphic scale included with each image. The actual thermal range of daytime/nighttime differentials will likely soon follow unless FW Taylor desides otherwise. http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=...le=y &start=5 "The images (taken at 5 microns) were obtained at six different time slots and different distances from Venus (top left: 12 April, from 210 000 kilometres; top cent 13 April, from 280 000 kilometres; top right: 14 April, from 315 000 kilometres; bottom left:16 April, from 315 000 kilometres; bottom cent 17 April, from 270 000 kilometres; bottom right: 19 April, from 190 000 kilometres), while the spacecraft moved along a long ellipse around the planet. The separate images can be downloaded here [ COB_01_geo.TIF, COB_02_geo.TIF, COB_03_geo.TIF, COB_04_geo.TIF, COB_05_geo.TIF, COB_06_geo.TIF]." BTW; there is also an interesting little item of less than one degree that's seemingly operating above the cloud layer of that planet, that's depicted as somehow much cooler than the surrounding atmosphere, being too large for any artificial satellite that we could possibly have accomplished. It's existing as though operating just above the equator and near the 20 degree mark. Because it's within 6 out of 6 images, as such I doubt that it's of an imaging glitch. - Brad Guth |
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HG LINDBERG wrote:
Here is some Venus images taken from Old Earth, how needs a spaceship ) http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm h-g "Brad Guth" skrev i meddelandet oups.com... David Haworth, Your April 18 and 19, 2006 images of Venus is impressive, as it's showing the rest of us village idiots that the very interesting little item as imaged by Venus EXPRESS that's not actually so physically little, as cruising near the equator but clearly above the cloud deck, is looking directly at good old mother Earth. Imagine that? http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/venus.htm http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/ven060418.htm http://sabbe.fragzone.se/KPO/ven060419.htm I also like your Venus and moon shots that goes to further prove that even the limited DR of the NASA/Apollo unfiltered Kodak film wouldn't have had any problems whatsoever if having included the likes of Venus, as unavoidably situated above the physically dark(0.07 albedo) and otherwise nasty moon of ours. Your "2002 May 19 Nikon Coolpix 990 Digital Camera Image of Gemini, Jupiter, Moon, Venus & Mars" as all within the same frame and exposure is also quite impressive. Got any idea why it's taking the ESA Venus EXPRESS team better than 2.5 months to process those terrific images? I tend to wonder as to what other images they're not sharing with us. Got anything of the Sirius star system in color, that which can be composite placed side by side along with an identical exposure taken of our moon? BTW; "how needs a spaceship" ? (me too, as a rigid airship that the likes of "tomcat" or perhaps China's aerospace will help engineer and build for us, though I wouldn't discount India). - Brad Guth |
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Brad Guth wrote:
Wouldn't you just know it, that the first of the Venus EXPRESS 6 composite images as having been officially processed for delivering to us village idiots the most eye-candy and otherwise contributed for our investigative pleasure... Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth; two out of three ain't bad. -- .. "Though I could not caution all, I yet may warn a few: Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools!" --grateful dead. __________________________________________________ _____________ Mike Flugennock, flugennock at sinkers dot org "Mikey'zine": dubya dubya dubya dot sinkers dot org |
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Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth
I'm one of those village idiots expecting to see new science about
Venus as extensively being that of a geothermally impacted environment, with the secondary affects being that of the atmospheric conditions keeping the lid on much of that geothermal energy, plus unavoidably having the solar energy influx that's as great as 2650 watts/m2 as a contributing factor to the situation. I'm also expecting to see the differential of the day/night energy balance as being in favor of allowing more of the thermal energy to escape than not, thereby allowing for the gradual cooling process of a planet that's of a newer planetology study than previously thought possible. Long before Venus EXPRESS, other's within team KECK had speculated as to a significant energy imbalance, even having imaged the rather extensive layer of oxygen that covers a significant portion of the nighttime season, giving indications as to allowing for the cooling of Venus, which means that either Venus is a relatively newish planet that our solar system has acquired, or that it's a recovering planet from being seriously impacted by some of the heaviest of meteor/asteroid substances, with a remote third possibility of there being something thermal nuclear involved. It is highly probable that Venus is the best ever gold mine of minerals and rare elements that are being made so easily accessible and otherwise kept safely available as cloaked by the mostly clean and obviously toasty dry CO2 layer of a very buoyant and protective atmosphere. As such Earth sized planets go, the access to/from that nighttime surface is by far the least technically challenging (meaning that it's much easier than having to accomplish a similar task upon Earth), and you certainly don't have to pack along much of any spare energy for the task of sustaining such operations, processing and the exporting of whatever substances. Just by having such locally available resources of energy and that of an environment that's so well shielded against solar and cosmic radiation alone is simply the best possible news of what any such accessible and nearby planet can offer, although with a 0.905 gravity factor and having 65+kg/m3 of buoyancy to work with is certainly an extra thick amount of icing on the cake. Anytime you've got less gravity and a thicker atmosphere to work with, as such it's technically a win-win situation for getting whatever to/from that planet. Anytime you don't have to pack along large amounts of physical shielding is obviously going to be another positive mission consideration that's worth a whole lot more than most critics are willing to admit. Anytime the local environment can provide megajoules, gigajoules and even if need be terajoules of spare and renewable energy (that's squeaky clean none the less), is an absolute multiple win-win on behalf of just about everything imaginable. If there's any ongoing question as to what's a seriously big mystery, is that it's certainly not well understood nor obviously having been appreciated as to why or how visiting ETs or locals couldn't have made a go of it, as you'd have to be an absolute heathen of a dumbfounded moron to not have taken advantage of what's so easily available. This isn't to say that doing Venus is not a technically demanding quest, especially if to be insisting upon someday going there in person is obviously adding loads of insults to whatever injury of what robotics would require. However, with local energy already being there to behold, as such there's almost nothing that can not be surmounted on behalf of accommodating our frail bodies that obviously can not necessarily take the heat (especially by the season of daytime or anywhere within volcanic mud/lava flows should be taboo), but otherwise we can get ourselves adapted to the pressure. With an implanted sinus shunt for improved intra cranial pressure (ICP) equalizing, it's possible as to adapt ourselves to the changes in elevation pressure that's worth as much as 4+ bar/km. Converting CO2--CO/O2 is just a matter of applying energy for accomplishing that task (at that great pressure our biological need for O2 might drop to 1% if the remainder can be composed of H2). Accessing and thus extracting H2O from those acidic nighttime clouds is simply another matter of applied physics and utilizing well proven science, although surface mud flows should also provide a viable resource of H2O, although perhaps bringing along a few spare tonnes of H2O might not be such a bad idea for the first effort. Of course, as already taking place (including efforts to terminate my PC), you'll unavoidably take notice as to the usual topic/author stalking, bashings and if possible the efforts of banishment upon any honest topic that's related to the truth about planets and moons (especially including Earth and of our moon), as being their Usenet norm or mainstream status quo or bust criteria that's typically focused upon being as anti-ET and as anti-truth as they can manage. The trick is to pay little or no attention to their obvious levels of incest mindset that only goes to prove, of what others and I have had to offer is worth their attention. Would the rest of you folks like to discuss the positive and thus constructive possibilities, rather than join the gauntlet of flak that's doing all it can in order to suppress whatever rocks thy boat? - Brad Guth |
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OM wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:29:19 -0400, mike flugennock wrote: ...Who cares? Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth; two out of three ain't bad. ...Mike, you know better than to respond to Guthball. Just killfile the willingly molested troll and put him out of our misery. PLEASE. The sticking of one's mainstream infomercial saturated head into the nearest disinformation-R-us space-toilet of your mainstream status quo or bust mindset, that's otherwise badly overflowing with all of your naysayism on a stick, isn't going to work, now is it? Venus has been very much so alive and certainly worth our discussing the options that are available to those few of us that are still able to think clearly outside the box. God forbid, you should try it sometime. - Brad Guth |
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We see that our warm and fuzzy Art Deco has absolutely no problems with
trashing ESA's Venus EXPRESS. Another Jewish thing that's obviously coded into his incest DNA. - Brad Guth |
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Venus EXPRESS is alive, as is the planet, as is Guth
As rather oddly posted under "The Paranormal & Ghost Society", thereby
seemingly hocus-pocus to start off with; I tend to believe this article is 100% of ongoing damage control, of efforts to exclude or otherwise foil the most critical aspects of thermal and composition readings of what the Venus EXPRESS mission was all about. http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9123 Mirror jams on Venus Express spacecraft There's nothing that's actually official from ESA as to any such "stuck mirror". There's not even so much as an official link posted of anything that's specifically derived from team 'Venus EXPRESS' that reinforces this article as published by NEW SCIENTIST and copied by all others, that's essentially as space.com owned and otherwise totally controlled and/or moderated to death by the very same individuals that are deeply invested into supporting everything that's NASA. It's as though the PFS instrument manufacture is remaining as stealth as were all of those supposed Iraqi WMD and the likes of Usama bin Laden. NewScientist.com news service and the likes of Kelly Young are of nothing but brown-nosed minions to the status quo, thus born-again liars and of what's otherwise intellectually worse off than any Third Reich. Their "disclaimer" as having been "Published by Reed Business Information Limited" is basically nothing but another ruse from their side of the pond. New Scientist Limitation of liability: "To the full extent permissible by law Reed Business information Limited shall have no liability for any damage or loss (including, without limitation, financial loss, loss of profits, loss of business or any indirect or consequential loss), however it arises, resulting from the use of or inability to use this website or any material appearing on it or from any action or decision taken as a result of using the website or any such material." This basically means or represents that they can essentially publish absolutely anything they damn well feel like, and no matters what can not be held responsible in any way. (sounds exactly like Dick Cheney, GW Bush and company) BAA hasn't established what if anything the supposed PFS "stuck mirror" that still offers us no official mechanical or any other documentation as released from their Venus EXPRESS engineering and technical applications team, as having to do with extracting specific pixel by pixel thermal information from the ongoing thermal imaging process, whereas as at worse it reduces specific target thermal resolution and makes their imaging task somewhat less productive than what could otherwise help in pinpointing those unusual thermal signatures of specific geothermal hot spots. As such, it doesn't otherwise restrict the greater capability of having established the thermal scale and diversity that can still be sufficiently extrapolated, as to obtaining the greater science from their recording of the mostly nighttime season of atmospheric and cloud thermal differentials. "PFS is designed to measure the chemical composition and temperature of the atmosphere of Venus. It is also able to measure surface temperature, and so search for signs of volcanic activity." Unfortunately, it's rather technically so much easier to merely exclude science by shutting down a given instrument reading from any given mission if deemed appropriate by those encharge, and it certainly wouldn't be the first nor the last time such moderation or scientific instrument exclusion tactics have been employed. As for otherwise we'd have been given the full mechanical specifications and drawings of that mirror portion of their PFS instrument, so as to better appreciate as to exactly how such absolute fools could have accomplished such an obvious R&D error, as to foil such a primary part of their entire mission. With the very same PFS instrument onboard their Mars EXPRESS: "The 'pendulum motor', used to drive various elements in the instrument optics, was shown to be at fault. The recovery was made possible through using internal instrument redundancy." Yet nothing of any such specific instrument internal drawings or other considerations given for the much newer Venus EXPRESS PSF effort, that you'd think should have had whatever instrument revisions/upgrades applied. Therefore, the best available surface temperature reading capability is supposedly unable to comply to it's own standards, much less accommodate the team effort as to what's most important about the entire mission. Oddly, the official ESA Venus EXPRESS "Status Reports" still have nothing much to say about any supposed "stuck mirror". However, all else is operating according to spec, as though the PFS instrument never existed in the first place. - Brad Guth |
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I tend to believe it's called damage-control, or simply an ongoing act
of folks saving their remorseless butts by way of keeping a lid on it, whereas it seems we haven't been getting the whole truth and nothing but the truth about Venus, instead we been given the usual infomercial-science that'll basically suit whatever's in the best interest of the mainstream status quo. I'd suppose, if you had already researched and thereby having invested by having extensively published that by day or night the surface of Venus is within 10 K of being at a constant/average of 730 K, as such you sure as hell wouldn't want the likes of any new and improved PFS readings from that pesky ESA Venus Express mission getting through. You'd have to believe that all efforts and at all cost would be made in order to foil any such interactive measures at getting that otherwise nifty and robust instrument up and running, and that what our crack wizards do best, isn't it. As having been oddly posted under "The Paranormal & Ghost Society", thereby seemingly hocus-pocus to start off with; I tend to believe this article is 100% of ongoing damage control, of continuing efforts to exclude or otherwise foil the most critical aspects of accomplishing thermal and composition readings of what the Venus EXPRESS mission was all about. http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9123 Mirror jams on Venus Express spacecraft There's nothing that's actually official from ESA as to any such "stuck mirror". There's not even so much as an official link posted of anything that's specifically derived from team 'Venus EXPRESS' that reinforces this article as published by NEW SCIENTIST and copied by all others, that's essentially as space.com owned and otherwise totally controlled and/or moderated to death by the very same degree of individuals that are deeply invested into supporting everything that's NASA. It's as though the PFS instrument manufacture is remaining as stealth as were all of those supposed Iraqi WMD and the likes of Usama bin Laden. I wonder how much that cost us? NewScientist.com news service and the likes of Kelly Young are of nothing but brown-nosed minions to the very same status quo, thus born-again liars and of what's otherwise intellectually worse off than any Third Reich. Their "disclaimer" as having been "Published by Reed Business Information Limited" is basically nothing but another ruse from their side of the pond. New Scientist Limitation of liability: "To the full extent permissible by law Reed Business information Limited shall have no liability for any damage or loss (including, without limitation, financial loss, loss of profits, loss of business or any indirect or consequential loss), however it arises, resulting from the use of or inability to use this website or any material appearing on it or from any action or decision taken as a result of using the website or any such material." This basically means or represents that they can essentially publish absolutely anything they damn well feel like, and no matters what can not be held responsible in any way. (sounds exactly like Dick Cheney, GW Bush and company) BAA hasn't established what if anything the supposed PFS "stuck mirror" that still offers us no official mechanical or any other documentation as released from their Venus EXPRESS engineering and technical applications team, as having to do with extracting specific pixel by pixel thermal information from the ongoing thermal imaging process, whereas as at worse it reduces specific target thermal resolution and makes their imaging task somewhat less productive than what could otherwise help in pinpointing those unusual thermal signatures of specific geothermal hot spots. As such, it doesn't otherwise restrict the greater capability of having established the thermal scale and diversity that can still be sufficiently extrapolated, as to obtaining the greater science from their recording of the mostly nighttime season of atmospheric and cloud thermal differentials. "PFS is designed to measure the chemical composition and temperature of the atmosphere of Venus. It is also able to measure surface temperature, and so search for signs of volcanic activity." Unfortunately, it's rather technically so much easier to merely exclude science by shutting down a given instrument reading from any given mission if deemed appropriate by those encharge, and it certainly wouldn't be the first nor the last time such moderation or scientific instrument exclusion tactics have been employed. As for otherwise we'd have been given the full mechanical specifications and drawings of that mirror portion of their PFS instrument, so as to better appreciate as to exactly how such absolute fools could have accomplished such an obvious R&D error, as to foil such a primary part of their entire mission. With the very same PFS instrument onboard their Mars EXPRESS: "The 'pendulum motor', used to drive various elements in the instrument optics, was shown to be at fault. The recovery was made possible through using internal instrument redundancy." Yet nothing of any such specific instrument internal drawings or other considerations given for the much newer Venus EXPRESS PSF effort, that you'd think should have had whatever instrument revisions/upgrades applied. Therefore, the best available surface temperature reading capability is supposedly unable to comply to it's own standards, much less accommodate the team effort as to what's most important about the entire mission. Oddly, the official ESA Venus EXPRESS "Status Reports" still have nothing much to say about any supposed "stuck mirror". However, all else is operating according to spec, and as though the PFS instrument never existed in the first place. - Brad Guth |
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Bradley E Guth Brown Nosed Kook 4410 SE Nelson Rd. Olalla, WA 98359 Birthday: March 19th, 1946 253-857-6061 253-857-5318 Looks like a trailer park, lots of addresses at this location. |
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How typically pathetic, and rather typically Jewish to boot.
Too bad that we're not allowed to know whomever you folks are. - Brad Guth wrote: Bradley E Guth Brown Nosed Kook 4410 SE Nelson Rd. Olalla, WA 98359 Birthday: March 19th, 1946 253-857-6061 253-857-5318 Looks like a trailer park, lots of addresses at this location. I've previously posted my address as of the very get go, so that you folks can take an aerial look-see for yourself. OOPS! that's yet another photograph, thus can't be used as science or of any possible interpretation whatsoever. Sorry about that. - Brad Guth |
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