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Old July 6th 03, 04:24 AM
Kevin Willoughby
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Jim Kingdon said:
All ISS systems continue to function nominally, except as noted
previously or below.


What is the point of this sentence? I read it as "everything works ok
except the stuff that doesn't" which is a null statement. Why even bother?


You misread it. It claims that what has been noted previously plus what
is noted below is the complete, total, list of everything that isn't
functioning nominally.


I suppose the true test will be if there is a hole blown in the side
of the station (or whatever), and we see whether they lead with that
sentence or whether they go for something more like "Other than the
gaping hole in the side of the station, life on ISS isn't so bad".


hmmm... I have yet to see the press release that says something like
"Except for the failure of the t-joint/RCC due to foam impact, the
flight of Columbia functioned nominally."
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Old July 6th 03, 05:55 PM
Jim Kingdon
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You misread it. It claims that what has been noted previously plus what
is noted below is the complete, total, list of everything that isn't
functioning nominally.


True, it does claim that.

hmmm... I have yet to see the press release that says something like
"Except for the failure of the t-joint/RCC due to foam impact, the
flight of Columbia functioned nominally."


Nope, we have to give that prize to "The first Ariane-5 flight did not
result in validation of Europe's new launcher." - from the news
release regarding the unsuccessful first flight of Ariane 5.

http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/ariane.html
http://www.seds.org/spaceviews/960615/top.html
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Old July 6th 03, 08:56 PM
David Higgins
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Clark wrote:
[asking Kevin Willoughby]

You are a bureauocrat of some sort, aren't you?


He's a computer programmer, I believe. We're the guys who
get caught in the shower every morning after literally
following the instructions on the hair shampoo:

"Lather. Rinse. Repeat."

.. at least until the shampoo bottle finally runs out.
Damned instructions should have said "Repeat once."

Still, what did you expect the daily press release to say?
"The following items are broken. Some of them broke months
ago, others only in the last few days", followed by a
potentially very long list of minor grievances? It's easier
to say in effect "the crap that broke last week? still
broken."


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Old July 6th 03, 09:16 PM
Clark
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David Higgins wrote in news:3F087EF6.2050109
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Clark wrote:
[asking Kevin Willoughby]

You are a bureauocrat of some sort, aren't you?


He's a computer programmer, I believe. We're the guys who
get caught in the shower every morning after literally
following the instructions on the hair shampoo:

"Lather. Rinse. Repeat."

.. at least until the shampoo bottle finally runs out.
Damned instructions should have said "Repeat once."

Still, what did you expect the daily press release to say?


I expect it to provide useful information, not make null statements. If you
want "feel good" info first, fine, leave the "damage report" for the end. I
used to do corporate morning reports for an offshore drilling company. The
morning reports went to parent company, insurance company, etc. If I put in a
null statement, it got editted real quick by upper management. I could put in
"feel good" stuff and "these are the facts" bad stuff, but tripe was out.
Now, why should we accept tripe from NASA?

"The following items are broken. Some of them broke months
ago, others only in the last few days", followed by a
potentially very long list of minor grievances? It's easier
to say in effect "the crap that broke last week? still
broken."

The broken stuff list could be maintained in a separate databank with a link
to it. Pretty simple to provide access to the data without highlighting it
daily.

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Old July 6th 03, 11:42 PM
David Higgins
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Clark wrote:
[on the PAO's standard ISS opening statement ("All ISS systems continue
to function nominally, except as noted previously or below.")]

I expect it to provide useful information, not make null statements.


I've always read that sentence as saying "this is one of a
series of daily status reports, and one should read them in
order -- they don't necessarily stand alone". Can't say I've
been happy with that mindset and writing style, mind you.

Now, why should we accept tripe from NASA?


This is the NASA PAO we're talking about, right? ;-)


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Old July 7th 03, 02:00 AM
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)
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"David Higgins" wrote in message
...
He's a computer programmer, I believe. We're the guys who
get caught in the shower every morning after literally
following the instructions on the hair shampoo:

"Lather. Rinse. Repeat."

.. at least until the shampoo bottle finally runs out.
Damned instructions should have said "Repeat once."


Funny enough I have seen some shampoo that says that. I figure they finally
got tired of all the jokes.

(I've also seen "repeat until clean".)



 




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