we need more than a single planet

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On Feb/9/2020 at 07:18, wrote :



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Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. The way
we are growing resource utilisation ultimately we will be using too much
resources for what is available. It is better to start using the
resources we have in a sensible way than adding new planets.


Il 9 febbraio 2020 alle 07:18, ha scritto :


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L'aggiunta di uno o più pianeti abitabili fa che ritardare il problema.
In modo in cui stiamo aumentando l'utilizzo delle risorse alla fine
useremo troppe risorse per ciò che è disponibile. È meglio iniziare
usando le risorse che abbiamo in modo ragionevole piuttosto che
aggiungere nuovi pianeti.


Alain Fournier

Il giorno domenica 9 febbraio 2020 16:31:08 UTC+1, Alain Fournier ha scritto:
On Feb/9/2020 at 07:18, wrote :



www.asps.it/prooooot.htm


Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. The way
we are growing resource utilisation ultimately we will be using too much
resources for what is available. It is better to start using the
resources we have in a sensible way than adding new planets.

it seems to me that you starts from an unproven principle in the history of humanity: that humanity in its entirety is capable of shared political choices







Il 9 febbraio 2020 alle 07:18, ha scritto :


www.asps.it/prooooot.htm


L'aggiunta di uno o più pianeti abitabili fa che ritardare il problema.
In modo in cui stiamo aumentando l'utilizzo delle risorse alla fine
useremo troppe risorse per ciò che è disponibile. È meglio iniziare
usando le risorse che abbiamo in modo ragionevole piuttosto che
aggiungere nuovi pianeti.


Alain Fournier

On Feb/9/2020 at 12:05, wrote :
Il giorno domenica 9 febbraio 2020 16:31:08 UTC+1, Alain Fournier ha scritto:
On Feb/9/2020 at 07:18, wrote :



www.asps.it/prooooot.htm


Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. The way
we are growing resource utilisation ultimately we will be using too much
resources for what is available. It is better to start using the
resources we have in a sensible way than adding new planets.

it seems to me that you starts from an unproven principle in the history of humanity: that humanity in its entirety is capable of shared political choices

I'm not saying that humanity is capable to do it. Only that if humanity
doesn't stop increasing resource utilisation the way it is now doing it,
we are going to run into a major problem. If you add a new planet you
can delay the problem a few years, if you add one hundred planets you
might delay it for maybe a century. In any case, if we continue on this
path, major problems are coming in the not too distant future.
Colonising new planets doesn't change much in this respect.


Alain Fournier

Il giorno domenica 9 febbraio 2020 18:39:43 UTC+1, Alain Fournier ha scritto:
On Feb/9/2020 at 12:05, wrote :
Il giorno domenica 9 febbraio 2020 16:31:08 UTC+1, Alain Fournier ha scritto:
On Feb/9/2020 at 07:18, wrote :



www.asps.it/prooooot.htm


Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. The way
we are growing resource utilisation ultimately we will be using too much
resources for what is available. It is better to start using the
resources we have in a sensible way than adding new planets.

it seems to me that you starts from an unproven principle in the history of humanity: that humanity in its entirety is capable of shared political choices

I'm not saying that humanity is capable to do it. Only that if humanity
doesn't stop increasing resource utilisation the way it is now doing it,
we are going to run into a major problem. If you add a new planet you
can delay the problem a few years, if you add one hundred planets you
might delay it for maybe a century. In any case, if we continue on this
path, major problems are coming in the not too distant future.
Colonising new planets doesn't change much in this respect.


Alain Fournier

America is the result of European colonialism. Had this not been the case, World War I and II would have had different conclusions.
As said Lao Tze: what is beautiful is not true, what is true is not beautiful

On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, Alain Fournier wrote:
On Feb/9/2020 at 07:18, wrote :
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Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. The
way we are growing resource utilisation ultimately we will be using
too much resources for what is available. It is better to start using
the resources we have in a sensible way than adding new planets.

Total fantasy.
We can't even get to mars before we've ruin Earth.

On 9/02/2020 11:18 pm, wrote:


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How does colonising another planet help the vast majority who must
remain on Earth?

Sylvia.

Il giorno martedì 11 febbraio 2020 03:18:10 UTC+1, Sylvia Else ha scritto:
On 9/02/2020 11:18 pm, wrote:


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How does colonising another planet help the vast majority who must
remain on Earth?

Sylvia.

The time needed to colonize the far rocky planets will be like the Americas years and years, if not centuries ... but meanwhile new worlds will be born and the exploitation of the earth will slowly decrease.
Of course we will not see the whole history of this event as the first European inhabitants of the Americas did not see it. Meanwhile, in the medium term with outposts on the Moon and on Mars we will be able to transfer many industries and water and minerals we will collect them from the other planets of the solar system without exploiting the Earth.

But I repeat the most important thing about the violation of the third principle of dynamics is in its devastating effects on the other two principles..

I realized it in about 20 years increasing, with enormous difficulties the current in the circuits pnn or increasing the thrust. I repeat that for those used to Newtonian mechanics it seems crazy…. But I didn't know this even about 10 years ago and the first granted patent of the pnn dates back to about 20 years ago. It took me a long time to understand what was happening experimentally as I was completely unprepared for the change of the other 2 principles.
Now I just want to experimentally demonstrate this to some industry or funder who can protect my priorities.

I will certainly not be the one who will have the most benefits from PNN.

On 11/02/2020 7:54 pm, wrote:
Il giorno martedì 11 febbraio 2020 03:18:10 UTC+1, Sylvia Else ha scritto:
On 9/02/2020 11:18 pm, wrote:


www.asps.it/prooooot.htm


How does colonising another planet help the vast majority who must
remain on Earth?

Sylvia.

The time needed to colonize the far rocky planets will be like the Americas years and years, if not centuries ... but meanwhile new worlds will be born and the exploitation of the earth will slowly decrease.
Of course we will not see the whole history of this event as the first European inhabitants of the Americas did not see it. Meanwhile, in the medium term with outposts on the Moon and on Mars we will be able to transfer many industries and water and minerals we will collect them from the other planets of the solar system without exploiting the Earth.

But I repeat the most important thing about the violation of the third principle of dynamics is in its devastating effects on the other two principles.

I realized it in about 20 years increasing, with enormous difficulties the current in the circuits pnn or increasing the thrust. I repeat that for those used to Newtonian mechanics it seems crazy…. But I didn't know this even about 10 years ago and the first granted patent of the pnn dates back to about 20 years ago. It took me a long time to understand what was happening experimentally as I was completely unprepared for the change of the other 2 principles.
Now I just want to experimentally demonstrate this to some industry or funder who can protect my priorities.

I will certainly not be the one who will have the most benefits from PNN.


That doesn't seem to address my question at all.

Sylvia.

Il giorno mercoledì 12 febbraio 2020 06:24:26 UTC+1, Sylvia Else ha scritto:
On 11/02/2020 7:54 pm, wrote:
Il giorno martedì 11 febbraio 2020 03:18:10 UTC+1, Sylvia Else ha scritto:
On 9/02/2020 11:18 pm, wrote:


www.asps.it/prooooot.htm


How does colonising another planet help the vast majority who must
remain on Earth?

Sylvia.

The time needed to colonize the far rocky planets will be like the Americas years and years, if not centuries ... but meanwhile new worlds will be born and the exploitation of the earth will slowly decrease.
Of course we will not see the whole history of this event as the first European inhabitants of the Americas did not see it. Meanwhile, in the medium term with outposts on the Moon and on Mars we will be able to transfer many industries and water and minerals we will collect them from the other planets of the solar system without exploiting the Earth.

But I repeat the most important thing about the violation of the third principle of dynamics is in its devastating effects on the other two principles.

I realized it in about 20 years increasing, with enormous difficulties the current in the circuits pnn or increasing the thrust. I repeat that for those used to Newtonian mechanics it seems crazy…. But I didn't know this even about 10 years ago and the first granted patent of the pnn dates back to about 20 years ago. It took me a long time to understand what was happening experimentally as I was completely unprepared for the change of the other 2 principles.
Now I just want to experimentally demonstrate this to some industry or funder who can protect my priorities.

I will certainly not be the one who will have the most benefits from PNN.


That doesn't seem to address my question at all.

Sylvia.

Excuse me but your question translated to the years around 1492 and addressed to Colombo, Caboto, Magellano Vespucci (and others)
could be:

"How does colonizing the americas help the vast majority who must
remain in Europe?"

An answer would be: tomatoes, potatoes, tobacco :-)

That is, you say in practice that it was better for Europeans to stay in Europe and not disturb the Indians?
The story went differently and one day if we colonize the universe an extraterrestrial will come to tell us comically.
Why did you invade us? You could have stayed on your planet.

Obviously it is assumed that the wars with extraterrestrials (the new Indians) we win :-)