Russian Moonbase Art -- Original or Stolen??

"Pat Flannery" wrote
Would write more, but is time to go to coffee house for beat poetry
reading. Tonight former KGB officer tells how he beat poets as he is
accompanied by bongo drum. Will be very "waycool" and "trippy". ;-)

Beating poets? That isn't the way
chairman Andropov taught them
to treat their captives! His way
was -- take to roof andropov.

Jim Oberg wrote:

'Plonk' time when you run away from questions you
don't want to have to answer. Chicken-n-n-n-n-n-n-n.......

Me? I live in the Atlantic Ocean, Jim.

I don't think artwork copyright violations
rank up there with weapons sales, or nuclear
proliferation, or global warming or oil dependency.

What is the US military budget?

What is the US gross weapon's sales?

Just think if all that money went into
peaceful civilian uses of space, Jim.
We could solve that oil problem.
But nooooo. Not in America.
Not from NASA.

US - Unsustainable System - Failure is Inevitable.

VSE - Visiting Space Expensively.

ESAS - Exploring Space As Stupidly As Possible.

Someday you too will see the
cryogenic ultraviolet light.

I suggest you take off your blinders
and put on a good pair of glasses.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

Jim Oberg wrote:
"Rusty" wrote
I found the same picture on the Challenger.org website without the Russian
captions:
Now, of course, the Russified version did not CLAIM it was
an original piece of art -- they just let viewers assume so.
The caption actually says "One of the moonbase projects" and the labels
simply identify pieces of equipment. The article itself talk about how
everyone (americans, russians, chinese etc) seemed to jump on the
bandwagon of lunar exploration.

Of course it is not nice to borrow other people's artwork without their
permission. Why don't you just drop a short message to the author of
the article (his email is there on the same page) and remind him about
that instead of bitching all around the usenet

Jim Oberg wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote
Why do you think it is stolen?

Tradition.

The Soviets routinely stole space art from Western publications,
painted hammer/sickles on the sides, and published them as
great new USSR advanced plans...

There were also different approach in stealing Western materials. I was
working as editor for biggest Estonian daily Noorte Haal back then and
we all the time make attempts to put materials about Apollo program
with graphics-images taken from Western magazines. Sometimes
successfully, sometimes not. It was not forbidden totally, but it
happens that Editor-in-Chief got spanking in some high Party Commitee
for "too many US crap", then for half a year we can't put anything. But
then again. This time we even don't have idea we are stealing - for us
it seems like trying to open even small window to the free world. btw,
Jim, your works were extremely popular back then, but of course we
can't "steal" them - they were impossible to print in SU. But they were
retyped manually and circulated amoung people from hand to hand.

Jim Oberg wrote:

"Pat Flannery" wrote


Would write more, but is time to go to coffee house for beat poetry
reading. Tonight former KGB officer tells how he beat poets as he is
accompanied by bongo drum. Will be very "waycool" and "trippy". ;-)



Beating poets? That isn't the way
chairman Andropov taught them
to treat their captives! His way
was -- take to roof andropov.


A touch of Saruman there.
You don't think that there were troublemakers on top of the
Energia/Buran assembly building when it....nah, they wouldn't do
that.... (cut to scene of roof repair hooligan chain gang as they
prepare to escape by cutting a hole in the building's roof.)
I still like Stalin's little quote:
"To choose one’s victims, to prepare one’s plan minutely, to slake an
implacable vengeance, and then to go to bed ... there is nothing sweeter
in the world."
They never really did rise up to his level again in the pure terror
department.
Lenin's "A revolution without firing squads is pointless!" is a bit
hard-core also.

Pat

Pat Flannery wrote:

They never really did rise up to his level again in the pure terror
department.
Lenin's "A revolution without firing squads is pointless!" is a bit
hard-core also.

You mean like Abu Graib, Gitmo and secret rendition?

Torture in America ... er ... Europe.

We're making up for lost time.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

Jim Oberg wrote:
"Pat Flannery" wrote

Would write more, but is time to go to coffee house for beat poetry
reading. Tonight former KGB officer tells how he beat poets as he is
accompanied by bongo drum. Will be very "waycool" and "trippy". ;-)


Beating poets? That isn't the way
chairman Andropov taught them
to treat their captives! His way
was -- take to roof andropov.

Phew. Thanks, JimO. Ever since that old bird was chosen for Premier, the
mention of his name on the news gave me a compulsion to come up with a
similarly stupid gag. Can't help it. I love it. You saved me from myself.

Kinda what he did not to soon after become Comrade Premier, iirc.

--

..

"Though I could not caution all, I yet may warn a few:
Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools!"

--grateful dead.
__________________________________________________ _____________
Mike Flugennock, flugennock at sinkers dot org
"Mikey'zine": dubya dubya dubya dot sinkers dot org

Nice letters get ignored.
Public embarrassment hurts.
Thick skins need piercing.

"dmitrik" wrote
Of course it is not nice to borrow other people's artwork without their
permission. Why don't you just drop a short message to the author of
the article (his email is there on the same page) and remind him about
that instead of bitching all around the usenet

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" wrote
rafvings


PLONK

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:02:42 GMT, "Jim Oberg"
wrote, in part:
"Jim Logajan" wrote

Why do you think it is stolen?

Tradition.

The Soviets routinely stole space art from Western publications,
painted hammer/sickles on the sides, and published them as
great new USSR advanced plans...

An often-used line-art drawing of the Univac I, I remember, was stolen
by the Soviets at one time as a picture of one of their new computers.

But these days, it's hardly necessary to keep up that tradition; the
Soviets do have the technological capability to draw pictures, even with
computer help.

John Savard
http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html
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