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EINSTEIN INTRODUCES GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION
http://www.relativitybook.com/resour...n_gravity.html
Albert Einstein 1911: "Nothing compels us to assume that the clocks U in different gravitation potentials must be regarded as going at the same rate. On the contrary, we must certainly define the time in K in such a way that the number of wave crests and troughs between S2 and S1 is independent of the absolute value of time: for the process under observation is by nature a stationary one. If we did not satisfy this condition, we should arrive at a definition of time by the application of which time would merge explicitly into the laws of nature, and this would certainly be unnatural and unpractical. Therefore the two clocks in S1 and S2 do not both give the "time" correctly. If we measure time in S1 with the clock U, then we must measure time in S2 with a clock which goes 1+phi/c^2 times more slowly than the clock U when compared with U at one and the same place. For when measured by such a clock the frequency of the ray of light which is considered above is at its emission in S2 (...) equal to the frequency v1 of the same ray of light on its arrival in S1. This has a consequence which is of fundamental importance for our theory. For if we measure the velocity of light at different places in the accelerated, gravitation-free system K', employing clocks U of identical constitution we obtain the same magnitude at all these places. The same holds good, by our fundamental assumption, for the system K as well. But from what has just been said we must use clocks of unlike constitution for measuring time at places with differing gravitation potential. For measuring time at a place which, relatively to the origin of the co-ordinates, has the gravitation potential phi, we must employ a clock which - when removed to the origin of co-ordinates - goes (1+phi/c^2) times more slowly than the clock used for measuring time at the origin of co- ordinates. If we call the velocity of light at the origin of co- ordinates c0, then the velocity of light c at a place with the gravitation potential phi will be given by the relation c=c0(1+phi/ c^2)." Four implications (or implicit assumptions): 1. Light is a continuous field of waves. 2. The measured speed of light does not vary with the gravitational potential when clocks of identical constitution are used. 3. The wavelength does not vary with the gravitational potential. 4. The formula (frequency)=(speed of light)/(wavelength) is invalid when clocks of identical constitution are used. Pentcho Valev |
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EINSTEIN INTRODUCES GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION
It is easy to see that, if the time dilation factor (1+phi/c^2)
introduced by Einstein is true, then the formula: (frequency) = (speed of light)/(wavelength) is false both in the presence and in the absence of a gravitational field. For instance, Einstein says: "...if we measure the velocity of light at different places in the accelerated, gravitation-free system K', employing clocks U of identical constitution we obtain the same magnitude at all these places." But "we" also measure a frequency shift: f' = f(1+phi/c^2) confirmed by the Pound-Rebka experiment and ENTIRELY caused by the time dilation effect, and an UNCHANGED wavelength (the assumption that the wavelength has changed is untenable since this would make the frequency shift different from the above one). Clearly the formula (frequency)=(speed of light)/(wavelength) is incompatible with the time dilation factor (1+phi/c^2). Einsteinians will have to denounce this formula officially if the precious gravitational time dilation is to last forever. Pentcho Valev wrote: http://www.relativitybook.com/resour...n_gravity.html Albert Einstein 1911: "Nothing compels us to assume that the clocks U in different gravitation potentials must be regarded as going at the same rate. On the contrary, we must certainly define the time in K in such a way that the number of wave crests and troughs between S2 and S1 is independent of the absolute value of time: for the process under observation is by nature a stationary one. If we did not satisfy this condition, we should arrive at a definition of time by the application of which time would merge explicitly into the laws of nature, and this would certainly be unnatural and unpractical. Therefore the two clocks in S1 and S2 do not both give the "time" correctly. If we measure time in S1 with the clock U, then we must measure time in S2 with a clock which goes 1+phi/c^2 times more slowly than the clock U when compared with U at one and the same place. For when measured by such a clock the frequency of the ray of light which is considered above is at its emission in S2 (...) equal to the frequency v1 of the same ray of light on its arrival in S1. This has a consequence which is of fundamental importance for our theory. For if we measure the velocity of light at different places in the accelerated, gravitation-free system K', employing clocks U of identical constitution we obtain the same magnitude at all these places. The same holds good, by our fundamental assumption, for the system K as well. But from what has just been said we must use clocks of unlike constitution for measuring time at places with differing gravitation potential. For measuring time at a place which, relatively to the origin of the co-ordinates, has the gravitation potential phi, we must employ a clock which - when removed to the origin of co-ordinates - goes (1+phi/c^2) times more slowly than the clock used for measuring time at the origin of co- ordinates. If we call the velocity of light at the origin of co- ordinates c0, then the velocity of light c at a place with the gravitation potential phi will be given by the relation c=c0(1+phi/ c^2)." Four implications (or implicit assumptions): 1. Light is a continuous field of waves. 2. The measured speed of light does not vary with the gravitational potential when clocks of identical constitution are used. 3. The wavelength does not vary with the gravitational potential. 4. The formula (frequency)=(speed of light)/(wavelength) is invalid when clocks of identical constitution are used. Pentcho Valev |
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Banesh Hoffmann contradicts Einstein very carefully: There is no
gravitational time dilation - rather, the gravitational redshift "arises from what befalls light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of gravitation": http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its.../dp/0486406768 Banesh Hoffmann: "In an accelerated sky laboratory, and therefore also in the corresponding earth laboratory, the frequence of arrival of light pulses is lower than the ticking rate of the upper clocks even though all the clocks go at the same rate. (...) As a result the experimenter at the ceiling of the sky laboratory will see with his own eyes that the floor clock is going at a slower rate than the ceiling clock - even though, as I have stressed, both are going at the same rate. (...) The gravitational red shift does not arise from changes in the intrinsic rates of clocks. It arises from what befalls light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of gravitation." What can befall light signals in the presence of gravitation? Banesh Hoffmann next discusses the variation of the speed of light in a gravitational field. Pentcho Valev |
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EINSTEIN INTRODUCES GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION
On Nov 17 Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
On 11/16/11 Pentcho Valev wrote: Banesh Hoffmann contradicts Einstein very carefully: There is no gravitational time dilation - rather, the gravitational redshift "arises from what befalls light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of gravitation": What he says does not "contradict" Einstein's 1916 General Relativity, though it probably does contradict what he said earlier, using incomplete portions of the theory. While following the long and difficult road from SR to GR, Einstein said/published several things that turned out to be wrong in the actual theory. And these are precisely the statements that Valev quotes over and over without bothering to understand them. http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its.../dp/0486406768 Banesh Hoffmann: "In an accelerated sky laboratory, and therefore also in the corresponding earth laboratory, the frequence of arrival of light pulses is lower than the ticking rate of the upper clocks even though all the clocks go at the same rate. (...) As a result the experimenter at the ceiling of the sky laboratory will see with his own eyes that the floor clock is going at a slower rate than the ceiling clock - even though, as I have stressed, both are going at the same rate. (...) The gravitational red shift does not arise from changes in the intrinsic rates of clocks. It arises from what befalls light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of gravitation." This is certainly true in GR. The clocks THEMSELVES are not affected, but the geometrical relationship between the source clock and the signal is different from that of the detector clock and the signal, due to the curvature of the manifold which we call "gravitation". But your brothers Einsteinians teach that the clocks ARE affected, Honest Roberts: http://www-cosmosaf.iap.fr/RELATIVIT...20Thibault.htm Thibault Damour: "Décalage vers le rouge ou dilatation gravitationnelle des durées. (....) D'un point de vue plus général, puisque la fréquence d'une raie spectrale définit une "horloge" à l'échelle atomique, le principe d'équivalence prédit l'existence d'une dilatation gravitationnelle des durées lors de la comparaison de deux horloges situées à des niveaux de potentiel gravitationnel différents." http://www.liberation.fr/sciences/01...uete-des-temps Etienne Klein: "Mais pour la relativité générale d'Einstein, l'espace et le temps sont déformés par les objets qu'ils contiennent. Ainsi le temps ne s'écoule pas de la même façon au voisinage d'une étoile très dense qu'à proximité d'une planète." http://student.fizika.org/~jsisko/Kn...Morin/CH13.PDF David Morin: "The equivalence principle has a striking consequence concerning the behavior of clocks in a gravitational field. It implies that higher clocks run faster than lower clocks. If you put a watch on top of a tower, and then stand on the ground, you will see the watch on the tower tick faster than an identical watch on your wrist. When you take the watch down and compare it to the one on your wrist, it will show more time elapsed." This is exactly what Divine Albert introduced in 1911 and what Banesh Hoffmann rejects: http://www.relativitybook.com/resour...n_gravity.html Albert Einstein 1911: "Therefore the two clocks in S1 and S2 do not both give the "time" correctly. If we measure time in S1 with the clock U, then we must measure time in S2 with a clock which goes 1+phi/ c^2 times more slowly than the clock U when compared with U at one and the same place." Are brothers Einsteinians as honest and clever as you are, Honest Roberts? Pentcho Valev |
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EINSTEIN INTRODUCES GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION
Banesh Hoffmann contradicts Einstein very carefully: There is NO
GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION - rather, the gravitational redshift "arises from what befalls light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of gravitation": http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its.../dp/0486406768 Banesh Hoffmann: "In an accelerated sky laboratory, and therefore also in the corresponding earth laboratory, the frequence of arrival of light pulses is lower than the ticking rate of the upper clocks even though all the clocks go at the same rate. (...) As a result the experimenter at the ceiling of the sky laboratory will see with his own eyes that the floor clock is going at a slower rate than the ceiling clock - even though, as I have stressed, both are going at the same rate. (...) The gravitational red shift does not arise from changes in the intrinsic rates of clocks. It arises from what befalls light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of gravitation." What could befall light signals in the presence of gravitation? Their speed varies with the gravitational potential, as predicted by Michell and Laplace: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift "The gravitational weakening of light from high-gravity stars was predicted by John Michell in 1783 and Pierre-Simon Laplace in 1796, using Isaac Newton's concept of light corpuscles (see: emission theory) and who predicted that some stars would have a gravity so strong that light would not be able to escape. The effect of gravity on light was then explored by Johann Georg von Soldner (1801), who calculated the amount of deflection of a light ray by the sun, arriving at the Newtonian answer which is half the value predicted by general relativity. All of this early work assumed that light could slow down and fall, which was inconsistent with the modern understanding of light waves. Once it became accepted that light is an electromagnetic wave, it was clear that the frequency of light should not change from place to place, since waves from a source with a fixed frequency keep the same frequency everywhere. One way around this conclusion would be if time itself was altered - if clocks at different points had different rates. This was precisely Einstein's conclusion in 1911." Some Einsteinians know that there is no gravitational time dilation, the majority fiercely teach it. Believers invariably sing "Divine Einstein" and "Yes we all believe in relativity, relativity, relativity". Pentcho Valev |
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EINSTEIN INTRODUCES GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION
Note that in 1911 Einstein was forced to introduce gravitational time
dilation by the implicit assumption that light stretches between the emitter and the receiver (observer) in the form of a CONTINUOUS FIELD. Without this assumption the gravitational time dilation is just absurd: http://www.relativitybook.com/resour...n_gravity.html Albert Einstein 1911: "Nothing compels us to assume that the clocks U in different gravitation potentials must be regarded as going at the same rate. On the contrary, we must certainly define the time in K in such a way that the number of wave crests and troughs between S2 and S1 is independent of the absolute value of time: for the process under observation is by nature a stationary one." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift "The gravitational weakening of light from high-gravity stars was predicted by John Michell in 1783 and Pierre-Simon Laplace in 1796, using Isaac Newton's concept of light corpuscles (see: emission theory) and who predicted that some stars would have a gravity so strong that light would not be able to escape. The effect of gravity on light was then explored by Johann Georg von Soldner (1801), who calculated the amount of deflection of a light ray by the sun, arriving at the Newtonian answer which is half the value predicted by general relativity. All of this early work assumed that light could slow down and fall, which was inconsistent with the modern understanding of light waves. Once it became accepted that light is an electromagnetic wave, it was clear that the frequency of light should not change from place to place, since waves from a source with a fixed frequency keep the same frequency everywhere. One way around this conclusion would be if time itself was altered - if clocks at different points had different rates. This was precisely Einstein's conclusion in 1911." In 1954 Einstein realised that, by relying too much on the field concept of light, he had in fact killed physics: http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf...09145525ca.pdf Albert Einstein 1954: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures. Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary physics." Pentcho Valev |
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