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Old June 14th 16, 11:13 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Gary Harnagel wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 7:49:08 AM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

Gary Harnagel wrote:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A.txt

I plotted the data from 2000 to 2015, and the short-term trend is certainly
there, particularly from 2011 to 2015, where a 0.2 degree increase was
recorded. However, there was an even larger 0.5 degree increase from 1887
to 1889 which was countered the very next year.

I think it's quite reasonable to have a blip in the data for a few years
after the eruption of Karakatoa in August 1883.You can certainly see its
effect from 1884 onwards.


That would explain a downward trend, but then what caused the big RISE in the
1887-1889 period followed by another drop?

Besides, volcanoes are ALWAYS erupting:

http://volcano.si.edu/reports_weekly.cfm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Merapi


Volcanoes are always erupting but not as big as Krakatoa. This type of
atmospheric disturbance lasts years and causes erratic changes.


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Old June 14th 16, 12:17 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:58:56 PM UTC-4, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 12:42:56 PM UTC-5, peterson wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:52:22 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-4, peterson wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:46:57 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

If you took a poll you would find that my views are in the majority. So
you believe that the majority of people are fools but you aren't?

If you took a poll among climate scientists, you'd find they all
disagree with you.

So? He probably doesn't think certain types of music are any good, and musicians who perform those types would certainly disagree with him.


Please, you're too stupid to engage in this discussion.


He has managed to combine all of the self sustaining qualities of a mushroom farm inside the bony box of a his skull. You know what goes in and his words come out.


You don't seem to be very interested in "engaged discussion," slurp. So you resort to "empty insults." BAU, IOW.
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Old June 14th 16, 12:24 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 6:24:29 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 14:51:22 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 9:03:37 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:46:57 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

If you took a poll you would find that my views are in the majority. So
you believe that the majority of people are fools but you aren't?

If you took a poll among climate scientists, you'd find they all
disagree with you.


If you took a poll of people in prison they would believe the laws are
unjust. The climate scientists owe their livelihood to promoting GW, and
AGW in particular. They are true believers.


Okay, so now you're firmly in the crank category. No reason to
continue this. See a doctor.


Scientific misconduct, in its various forms, is NOT unknown, peterson.

Oh, BTW, rumor has it that a -dog- is/was a member of the Union of Concerned Scientists.
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Old June 14th 16, 12:30 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:21:22 AM UTC-4, Gary Harnagel wrote:

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And I see the AGW enthusiasts telling lies right and left. Why don't you
decry such behavior rather than support their exaggerations?


If a lie or exaggeration supports his political agenda, why would he criticize it?

It would be interesting to see how many AGW scientists have high-carbon lifestyles. Actually, most of them, compared to the world average, which is, by their own criteria, too high.

Remember, pollution is ALWAYS the other guy's fault.
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Old June 14th 16, 12:35 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 1:00:17 AM UTC-4, Gary Harnagel wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 6:42:38 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:


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When most of the "differing views" come from people being paid by oil
companies, and covering up that fact, "honest discussion" is not quite
the term I would use.

John Savard


There you go again! I can (and have) made the same argument about AGW
enthusiasts. The main view is coming from people who owe their livelihood
to promoting disaster. And Al Gore doesn't help that point of view
because he certainly did line his pockets while promoting AGW.

And do you have any proof whatsoever that oil companies lied? No, the
only "proof" you have is that their studies disagreed with your beliefs.


The AGW crowd should already be living "carbon-free lifetyles" and WITHOUT buying indulgences either.

That would be too inconvenient, however, so they'll settle for making others live carbon-free.

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Old June 14th 16, 02:24 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 9:03:06 AM UTC-4, peterson wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 04:24:02 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 6:24:29 PM UTC-4, peterson wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 14:51:22 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 9:03:37 AM UTC-6, peterson wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:46:57 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote:

If you took a poll you would find that my views are in the majority. So
you believe that the majority of people are fools but you aren't?

If you took a poll among climate scientists, you'd find they all
disagree with you.

If you took a poll of people in prison they would believe the laws are
unjust. The climate scientists owe their livelihood to promoting GW, and
AGW in particular. They are true believers.

Okay, so now you're firmly in the crank category. No reason to
continue this. See a doctor.


Scientific misconduct, in its various forms, is NOT unknown, peterson.


Across an entire community of specialists? Yes, it is entirely
unknown. Never happened, and the nature of science means it can't.


peterson, scientific misconduct can take many different forms and to varying degrees. To a leftie scientist, the notion of getting (other) people out of their cars and into something else (work camps perhaps?) is very alluring. Socialists love trains (for others to ride.)

Of
course, you've demonstrated regularly that you are clueless in regards
to how science works.


As I said before I do know how science works. It's just that much of what underpins AGW doesn't qualify as such.

And we see once again that you are more interested in "empty insults" rather than "engaged discussion."

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Old June 14th 16, 03:04 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 4:13:37 AM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

Gary Harnagel wrote:

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 7:49:08 AM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

Gary Harnagel wrote:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A.txt

I plotted the data from 2000 to 2015, and the short-term trend is
certainly there, particularly from 2011 to 2015, where a 0.2 degree
increase was recorded. However, there was an even larger 0.5 degree
increase from 1887 to 1889 which was countered the very next year.

I think it's quite reasonable to have a blip in the data for a few years
after the eruption of Karakatoa in August 1883.You can certainly see its
effect from 1884 onwards.


That would explain a downward trend, but then what caused the big RISE in
the 1887-1889 period followed by another drop?

Besides, volcanoes are ALWAYS erupting:

http://volcano.si.edu/reports_weekly.cfm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Merapi


Volcanoes are always erupting but not as big as Krakatoa. This type of
atmospheric disturbance lasts years and causes erratic changes.


Big eruptions are still happening:

https://www.aip.org/history/climate/aerosol.htm

"In 1991 Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines exploded. A mushroom cloud the
size of Iowa burst into the stratosphere, where it deposited some 20 million
tons of SO2, more than any other 20th-century eruption. Hansen's group saw
an opportunity in this "natural experiment." It could provide a strict test
of computer models. From their calculations they boldly predicted roughly
half a degree of average global cooling, concentrated in the higher northern
latitudes and lasting a couple of years.(84) Exactly such a temporary
cooling was in fact observed."

The Mt. Tambora eruption in 1815 was much larger than Krakatoa and caused the "year without a summer." Of course, one cannot predict when the next
big eruption of a large volcano will occur, but it could be any time. I
certainly hope the supervolcano under Yellowstone is not immanent as
Northern Colorado where I live will be under six feet of ash :-(

Gary
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Old June 14th 16, 03:05 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 9:55:46 AM UTC-4, peterson wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 06:24:30 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote:

peterson, scientific misconduct can take many different forms and to varying degrees. To a leftie scientist, the notion of getting (other) people out of their cars and into something else (work camps perhaps?) is very alluring. Socialists love trains (for others to ride.)


Even among scientists, only about 80% are "lefties".


So you admit that they are overwhelmingly lefties. And that the rest know to toe the line, or else.





 




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