Planetary climate

Gerald Kelleher wrote:
I spent enough time dealing with those who come from the academic slums
of England or the colonials who think they are doing themselves some
favor by attaching themselves to these mindless crooks.

There has to be a modification in how inclination is expressed for each
planet. All planets have a North and South latitudinal position above and
below the planet's orbital plane and although the entire surface of a
planet turns to the Sun in response to its orbital motion, the polar
points are of particular interest as they trace a circle parallel with the orbital plane.

http://calgary.rasc.ca/images/planet_inclinations.gif

In this system Uranus has an 8° inclination, Jupiter has an 87°
inclination while the Earth has a 66 1/2° inclination.It makes it easier
to determine the spectrum into which the Earth's climate fits so that an
increase is towards polar and a decrease in inclination is towards
equatorial. It is also highly productive.








By the way keep the childish insults coming. It's a sure sign that you are
worried by the argument and can't think how to get out of the hole you dug.
Next perhaps you will accuse me of mass murder again. Or maybe you'll
attempt to patronise me sonny boy.

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 12:05:08 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

By the way keep the childish insults coming. It's a sure sign that you are
worried by the argument and can't think how to get out of the hole you dug.
Next perhaps you will accuse me of mass murder again. Or maybe you'll
attempt to patronise me sonny boy.

Insults indeed !, I never needed to insult people who insult themselves by being unable to match one weekday with one rotation of the planet and specifically by imagining there is one more rotation than 24 hour days in a year..

Even the other dummy in this thread recognizes the single rotation as a function of the orbital motion of the Earth however this rotation is responsible for the polar day/night cycle, something you dare not mention even though it is impossible to discuss the seasons and climate without it.

For some reason you took the reference to academic slums personally but I have no interest in dealing with academic drones with their convictions stuck in the late 17th century, this material is for the 21st century observer who can actually see the dual surface rotations and their distinct characteristics -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrP6QfbC2g

If you are so silly to ignore that distance from the Sun or planetary composition play no role in defining climate then don't bother me with pathetic pleas. The only way a planet's climate can change is a change in the degree of inclination within a spectrum. That is astronomy and that is climate research.

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 12:02:35 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

You haven't explained why Venus is hotter than Mercury despite being
farther from the sun. What causes this?

It will dawn on an intelligent person some day that climate is not defined for all planets by distance from the Sun (there goes heat/cold) nor composition as gas giants have weather just as the inner planets do however all planets have common traits by which comparative differences can be assessed.

The whole key is the spectrum between 0° and 90° using inclination allied with the surface rotations responsible for differences in surface conditions across latitudes. I got this exactly right however it means nothing if these principles are not built upon.

Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 12:05:08 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

By the way keep the childish insults coming. It's a sure sign that you are
worried by the argument and can't think how to get out of the hole you dug.
Next perhaps you will accuse me of mass murder again. Or maybe you'll
attempt to patronise me sonny boy.

Insults indeed !, I never needed to insult people who insult themselves
by being unable to match one weekday with one rotation of the planet and
specifically by imagining there is one more rotation than 24 hour days in a year.

Even the other dummy in this thread recognizes the single rotation as a
function of the orbital motion of the Earth however this rotation is
responsible for the polar day/night cycle, something you dare not mention
even though it is impossible to discuss the seasons and climate without it.

For some reason you took the reference to academic slums personally but I
have no interest in dealing with academic drones with their convictions
stuck in the late 17th century, this material is for the 21st century
observer who can actually see the dual surface rotations and their
distinct characteristics -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrP6QfbC2g

If you are so silly to ignore that distance from the Sun or planetary
composition play no role in defining climate then don't bother me with
pathetic pleas. The only way a planet's climate can change is a change in
the degree of inclination within a spectrum. That is astronomy and that
is climate research.


If the atmosphere of Venus were to disappear the planet would cool and
temperature differences between day and night, poles and equator would be
quickly established. The night side would be very cool due to the long day
length. Science is not Tinkerbell. Ignoring facts won't make them go away.

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 10:46:51 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:


If the atmosphere of Venus were to disappear the planet would cool and
temperature differences between day and night, poles and equator would be
quickly established. The night side would be very cool due to the long day
length. Science is not Tinkerbell. Ignoring facts won't make them go away..

For some reason you are not getting it but then again it has to do with the academic slums you went to which makes it somewhat understandable. It is impossible to discuss climate for any planet without the rotational causes for the diurnal day/night cycle and separately the seasonal day/night cycle or the polar day/night cycle at the Earth's poles.

Look at the nice graph of temperature fluctuations -

http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com...0variation.jpg

When do you think the Sun is in view when looking at the graph ?, when do you think the other stars are in view when looking at the same graph ?. What do you think causes the Sun to come into view each morning and cause the temperature to rise and the stars come into view in the evening and temperatures fall ?.

A person would normally feel insulted that such basic questions with basic answers are asked but then again you are the people who imagine that 24 hour weekdays and rotations fall out of sync -

� It is a fact not generally known that,owing to the difference between solar and sidereal time,the Earth rotates upon its axis once more often than there are days in the year� NASA /Harvard

Life can't have any significance for you,at least in witnessing the motions behind creation and its spiritual/inspirational background but that is the price of your hapless clockwork solar system.

Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 10:46:51 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:


If the atmosphere of Venus were to disappear the planet would cool and
temperature differences between day and night, poles and equator would be
quickly established. The night side would be very cool due to the long day
length. Science is not Tinkerbell. Ignoring facts won't make them go away.

For some reason you are not getting it but then again it has to do with
the academic slums you went to which makes it somewhat understandable. It
is impossible to discuss climate for any planet without the rotational
causes for the diurnal day/night cycle and separately the seasonal
day/night cycle or the polar day/night cycle at the Earth's poles.

Look at the nice graph of temperature fluctuations -

http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com...0variation.jpg

When do you think the Sun is in view when looking at the graph ?, when do
you think the other stars are in view when looking at the same graph ?.
What do you think causes the Sun to come into view each morning and cause
the temperature to rise and the stars come into view in the evening and
temperatures fall ?.

A person would normally feel insulted that such basic questions with
basic answers are asked but then again you are the people who imagine
that 24 hour weekdays and rotations fall out of sync -

� It is a fact not generally known that,owing to the difference between
solar and sidereal time,the Earth rotates upon its axis once more often
than there are days in the year� NASA /Harvard

Life can't have any significance for you,at least in witnessing the
motions behind creation and its spiritual/inspirational background but
that is the price of your hapless clockwork solar system.









Ever been in an aircraft. Have you ever looked at the seatback display and
noticed how cold it is at high altitude.
The air is very thin. Have you noticed some on the tops of mountains. That
shows how the atmosphere affects temperature. Think about it carefully. In
a couple of years or so you might be able to figure it out. Of you could
ask a grandchild to explain it to you.

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 11:24:53 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Get back to me when you can imply a single rotation corresponding to temperature spikes and troughs each weekday otherwise you are making pathetic pleas and I don't do those. -

http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com...0variation.jpg

Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 11:24:53 AM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Get back to me when you can imply a single rotation corresponding to
temperature spikes and troughs each weekday otherwise you are making
pathetic pleas and I don't do those. -

http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com...0variation.jpg



Leave your house and drive. To the nearest roundabout. Leave the roundabout
by the same exit as you entered. Now you ave turned 180 degrees.

Try this again but go all the way round the roundabout and exit by the road
opposite the entry road. Now you've turned 360 degrees.
This is exactly analogous to the extra rotation that the Earth makes in
it's orbit of the sun.
There- that was easy wasn't it.

Some day there will be people who can speak easily about the diurnal day/night cycle and separately the polar day/night cycle before combining them to account for the seasons in terms of dual rotations .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrP6QfbC2g

Until that day happens I am content to instruct people on the ins and outs of the motions of the Earth and its links to terrestrial sciences such as climate,geology and so on.

Gerald Kelleher wrote:
Some day there will be people who can speak easily about the diurnal
day/night cycle and separately the polar day/night cycle before combining
them to account for the seasons in terms of dual rotations .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrP6QfbC2g

Until that day happens I am content to instruct people on the ins and
outs of the motions of the Earth and its links to terrestrial sciences
such as climate,geology and so on.





You haven't had time to drive to your nearest roundabout yet and show that
you can turn 350 degrees while still maintaining your orientation with
respect to the roundabout (the sun) that's your extra day.
Do it!
It will lead you to the truth.
The roundabout to Damascus will be a revelation to you.