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tomcat wrote:
Jeff Findley wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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"tomcat" wrote in message
ups.com
Doing the impossible is not as impossible as it seems. It just takes
determination and guts. Trust what you see and not groundless theories
like Thermodynamics. QM has taught us not to trust logic when it comes
to important things. Our brains were designed for hunting animals for
food, not for figuring out the Universe.
Nearly everthing is impossible if you've based your logic upon the pagan
lies of history and upon infomercial-science and of those conditional
laws of physics, which can often represent itself as merely lies upon
lies.

You both sound like loons. I'm left wondering why I killfiled tomcat long
ago but not Guth.

So Brad, do you believe what you're writing, or do you derive some sort of
sick pleasure out of stringing along tomcat when he's obviously a loon?

Jeff
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
- B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919)




I know that it sounds a little strange to say "GET OUT OF THE BOX." I
know that saying "logic no longer holds the way we thought it did" is a
little 'odd' too. And, I realize fully the implications of saying
"THERMODYNAMICS IS DEAD".

But there is a method to my madness: TO GET EVERYONE OUT OF THEIR
BOXES.

We are like troops hiding in their foxholes after a battle, knees
shaking, hugging the dirt, fearful of another artillery barrage. The
Sarge has to yell "get out!", "get out of those foxholes!", "take that
ridge up ahead . . . and don't give me any crap!".

What ridge? Well, the 'dark energy and matter' that we now know
exists. The 'ripple effect' that I have already discussed. QM and all
that it entails. It is proven now, not just a quirk in the fabric of
space-time, not just a wink in Einstein's eye.

These BOXES are holding us down. They are convenient hiding places
from the barrage of 'new science' that is coming our way.

Mathematic BOXES rely on 1 never, never equalling 0. According to
their accepted theory superposition and uncertainty are impossible.
This is not an attack on mathematics per se, however, because it was
the great genius David Hilbert that gave us 'Hilbert Spaces' to help
make sense out of it all.

Then there is the thermodynamic BOX. This is a good one. Never more
out than in no matter what, and energy just tends to dissapate like
steam cooling in a still steam engine. Well, all of this is true of
steam engines. Steam engines were the Big Whoopie of the early 1800's
when Sadi Carnot wrote the book on Thermodyanmics.

Today, however, thermodyanmics has become a BOX, a foxhole that the
intellectually less fortunate jump into when bombarded by 'dark energy'
and QM 'teleportation', et al. It is a BOX that prevents the 'ripple
effect' from being utilized by engineers. It prevents even the
comptemplating of advanced energy ideas.

Because 'dark energy' is still not well understood as well as
corresponding multi-dimensionality. Because unlocking molecules is
new, not fully understood, the scientific fact that 2 photons can
unlock the water molecule at 266 nm is . . . not believed. We need to
start believing.

And, how about the ROCKET EQUATION BOX. Yes, good ole Tsiolkovsky put
us in that one. Back in the very early 1900's he used mathematics to
explain rockets 'of his day'. Rockets back then did not travel out of
the atmosphere. A vehicle, rocket or jet, does not and cannot exceed
it's exhaust velocity in an atmosphere.

This is simple 'push pull' logic. When atmospheric velocity equals
exhaust velocity then the air 'pulling' against the rocket equals the
presure of the exhaust 'pushing' the rocket. This, however, is NOT
true in the vacuum of Outer Space. So, Tsiolkovsky's Rocket Equation
worked for a while. It, however, does not hold today. Today, it is
'Thrust and Mass', not 'ISP and Delta Vee'.

So, tomcat is yelling "GET OUT OF THOSE BOXES!" And, yes, it is time
to get your lazy butts out of the muck -- fearful of another QM barrage
-- and start designing for the year 2100, not 1900. We need to
superposition, ripple, and blast our way into Outer Space. Let's get
going.


tomcat

O.K., let's roll.

*************************************************

THEORY OF OPERATION FOR AN FTL VEHICLE

*************************************************

From previous wind tunnel experiments, a corona glow appeared for-
ward of the leading edge of the vehicle, while shock waves were
completely eliminated. There would also be a slight distortion of
light surrounding the craft, with the metal conducting counterro-
tating disks forming part of the secondary induction circuit, caus-
ing color variations upon startup, slow, and faster accelerations.
This phenomenon would help to conserve fuel resources as well as
reduce air pollution for earth-to-orbit technologies. How the lead-
ing edge of the craft resonates in the earth's geodyne becomes de-
pendent upon the environmental conditions of ionospheric charge
and earth resonance at each particular location or "grid sector"
of the geodyne. Harmonics and subharmonics are a relationship of
numbers in division and multiplication, with not necessarily their
precise decimal locations having much significance with damped
and undamped, near-resonant conditions.

For 21,600 grid sectors of 2C minutes per geodyne, where 2C is a
geometric distance of minutes of arc." The "2C" represents 2(144),
where "144" represents a "life force radius" of 144 feet, a speed
of light harmonic, which has been promoted to prevent the freezing
and therefore productivity of fruit bearing trees. The "144" is
actually a radius of the base of a right triangle centered on a
mast of galvanized pipe 32 feet high. Wires that run the length of
the diagonal over the horizontal and vertical axes, connect to the
vertical mast at a height of 29.515 feet, which being multiplied by
2, give 59.03, whose recipricol is 1694, or a harmonic of gravity,
mass, and communication. (ref. Delands Magnetic Canopy).

2C(60 min/degree)(180 degrees/pole)(2 poles/geodyne)=
43,200 C minutes/geodyne, or 21,600 (2C minutes)/geodyne
for the earth's entire spheroid grid. Each 2C minute division rep-
resents an in/out distance across one of the spherical harmonic
grid squares between plus/minus fields of geodyne. A single mag-
netic polar grid square that identifies the difference between
the harmonic of earth's mass and the harmonic of light also as
the square root of earth's Minkowski 4-space, 695. By adding a "2"
to 695, making it "2695", the recipricol of the speed of light,
or 1/1439, for which the "1439" is the earth mass harmonic, and al-
so a harmonic of 143,900 minutes of arc per geodyne second, or the
speed of light, is harmonically doubled. Thus each "2C minutes" of
geodyne is established in harmonic resonance for all 21,600 "sectors"
of the grid.

If these numbers represent accurate measurements in the relationships
specified above, then our *progenitors* may be mass producing new
earths throughout the known universe, moving back and forth through
time in order to CAUSE the CATASTROPHIC EVENTS that would FORM
the ALIGNMENTS, the HARMONICS, and the MASSES in their CAUSAL re-
lationships to the speed of light throughout all of spacetime.
DOMINIONISTS are hard at work in the coverup, but Almighty God
is never mocked. To cheat death by advancing technology despite
the DOMINIONIST is to ultimately advance the cause of our Creator.
Since the laws of nature were established by Almighty God, any
"discovery" on our part can only be a "re-discovery for the
children" of the heavenly Father.

The laws of gravity here are not being broken, they are just being
altered in the damped harmonic decompression of spacetime. One can
simply walk through the eye of the needle freely and fearlessly,
to distant places that have yet to be discovered, conquered, and
claimed in the name of Almighty God. In a sense, these are the
tools of scouting parties, exploring ahead of the main army with
their transversable outposts, and reporting back to civilization
every few years or so. Who are their friends? Are there machines
programmed to make the subjective mind's dreams become as though
they were objective experiences? The loneliness of nightmarish
detachment in deep space is enough to make any soul cry out with
fear. Addiction to the neurological technique of sensory program-
ming can only be healed by initiating "red shifted" consciousness:

The external influences to personology traits consisting of infor-
mation that is communicated (metaprogrammed) including superfluidic
or chaotic information that would represent the lack of function
to process information according to inherent or attempts at useful-
ness, but consisting of the etheric qualities of structure including
repetitive patterned behavior, group association, and group division
in order to make the attempt at processing the information. The par-
ticular advantage of this group is its ability to retain memory of
diverse environments that may be life threatening, i.e., a sort of
"red shifted" state of consciousness.

The scouting party then awakens when they consider that conscious-
ness itself has become life-threatening, unless they return to the
womb of their center, mother-earth, at "zero time", full of new data
and wonderment from the cosmos. The technology is not *mythological*.
However, 2001: A Space Odyssey fans will recall the womb of mother
earth in the form of an unborn fetus, representing the moment of
conception - forming the "zero-time", or the "molecular DNA fusing"
time, that happens to be unique for each individual, and UNDER
COVENANT for (approximately) the *entire human race* for all that
really matters. The alignment of planetary bodies in the solar system
at the time of conception are what constitute "zero time" here.
Without this centering, the human biogene would be referenced to
another parallel space-time, and would age differently. Minutes
might become seconds, hours become minutes, 24 minutes to a day,
146 hours per year (~6 days). This is because the expansion of space-
time occurs at a different rate (radially from the initial center)
than the expanding spacetime that is removed from the "center".

"I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works
are wonderful, I know that full well." (Psalm 139:14 NIV)

: "tomcat"
: And, I realize fully the implications of saying "THERMODYNAMICS IS
: DEAD". But there is a method to my madness: TO GET EVERYONE OUT OF
: THEIR BOXES.

The implications of SAYING thermodynamics is dead are very nearly
nothing at all. The implication of DEMONSTATING IT" might well get
everybody out of their boxes. So. Get building. A teeny little
prototype demonstrator will do the trick.


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw

"Wayne Throop" wrote in message


: "tomcat"
: And, I realize fully the implications of saying "THERMODYNAMICS IS
: DEAD". But there is a method to my madness: TO GET EVERYONE OUT OF
: THEIR BOXES.

The implications of SAYING thermodynamics is dead are very nearly
nothing at all. The implication of DEMONSTATING IT" might well get
everybody out of their boxes. So. Get building. A teeny little
prototype demonstrator will do the trick.

I totally agree, that small if not micro prototype is all that's
necessary. At most on behalf of seeing what an amount of impulse thrust
per gram of h2o has to deliver, should be interesting and not even all
that spendy to demonstrate.

Lots of applied heat and then laser cannon blasting the final exit so
that the 1e20:1 ratio might become realized once exposed to the near
vacuum of space.

If that near vacuum were less than 335 atoms/cm3, and if starting off
with .335e23 atoms/cm3 = 1e20:1 (by most any standard, that's a great
deal of product expansion).
-
Brad Guth


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American wrote:
O.K., let's roll.

*************************************************

THEORY OF OPERATION FOR AN FTL VEHICLE

*************************************************

From previous wind tunnel experiments, a corona glow appeared for-
ward of the leading edge of the vehicle, while shock waves were
completely eliminated. There would also be a slight distortion of
light surrounding the craft, with the metal conducting counterro-
tating disks forming part of the secondary induction circuit, caus-
ing color variations upon startup, slow, and faster accelerations.
This phenomenon would help to conserve fuel resources as well as
reduce air pollution for earth-to-orbit technologies. How the lead-
ing edge of the craft resonates in the earth's geodyne becomes de-
pendent upon the environmental conditions of ionospheric charge
and earth resonance at each particular location or "grid sector"
of the geodyne. Harmonics and subharmonics are a relationship of
numbers in division and multiplication, with not necessarily their
precise decimal locations having much significance with damped
and undamped, near-resonant conditions.


This sounds a little like the "Philadelphia Experiment". It is a fact
that a small toy sail boat was made to disappear at the Princeton
Institute of Advanced Studies in 1939. The USN denies, however, that
the Philadelphia Experiment, or Project Rainbow, ever happened.


For 21,600 grid sectors of 2C minutes per geodyne, where 2C is a
geometric distance of minutes of arc." The "2C" represents 2(144),
where "144" represents a "life force radius" of 144 feet, a speed
of light harmonic, which has been promoted to prevent the freezing
and therefore productivity of fruit bearing trees. The "144" is
actually a radius of the base of a right triangle centered on a
mast of galvanized pipe 32 feet high. Wires that run the length of
the diagonal over the horizontal and vertical axes, connect to the
vertical mast at a height of 29.515 feet, which being multiplied by
2, give 59.03, whose recipricol is 1694, or a harmonic of gravity,
mass, and communication. (ref. Delands Magnetic Canopy).


It is theory that ultimately everything breaks down to mere vibration.
We know that harmonics not only affect music, but many physical
phenomena as well.



2C(60 min/degree)(180 degrees/pole)(2 poles/geodyne)=
43,200 C minutes/geodyne, or 21,600 (2C minutes)/geodyne
for the earth's entire spheroid grid. Each 2C minute division rep-
resents an in/out distance across one of the spherical harmonic
grid squares between plus/minus fields of geodyne. A single mag-
netic polar grid square that identifies the difference between
the harmonic of earth's mass and the harmonic of light also as
the square root of earth's Minkowski 4-space, 695. By adding a "2"
to 695, making it "2695", the recipricol of the speed of light,
or 1/1439, for which the "1439" is the earth mass harmonic, and al-
so a harmonic of 143,900 minutes of arc per geodyne second, or the
speed of light, is harmonically doubled. Thus each "2C minutes" of
geodyne is established in harmonic resonance for all 21,600 "sectors"
of the grid.

If these numbers represent accurate measurements in the relationships
specified above, then our *progenitors* may be mass producing new
earths throughout the known universe, moving back and forth through
time in order to CAUSE the CATASTROPHIC EVENTS that would FORM
the ALIGNMENTS, the HARMONICS, and the MASSES in their CAUSAL re-
lationships to the speed of light throughout all of spacetime.
DOMINIONISTS are hard at work in the coverup, but Almighty God
is never mocked. To cheat death by advancing technology despite
the DOMINIONIST is to ultimately advance the cause of our Creator.
Since the laws of nature were established by Almighty God, any
"discovery" on our part can only be a "re-discovery for the
children" of the heavenly Father.


The ultra large can be dealt with as easily as the ultra small. It's
just telescopes instead of microscopes. "For want of a shoe the horse
was last. For want of a horse the battle was lost. For want of a
battle the war was lost." Is there a society wheeling and dealing in
planets and solar systems? Possibly. Just possibly.



The laws of gravity here are not being broken, they are just being
altered in the damped harmonic decompression of spacetime. One can
simply walk through the eye of the needle freely and fearlessly,
to distant places that have yet to be discovered, conquered, and
claimed in the name of Almighty God. In a sense, these are the
tools of scouting parties, exploring ahead of the main army with
their transversable outposts, and reporting back to civilization
every few years or so. Who are their friends? Are there machines
programmed to make the subjective mind's dreams become as though
they were objective experiences? The loneliness of nightmarish
detachment in deep space is enough to make any soul cry out with
fear. Addiction to the neurological technique of sensory program-
ming can only be healed by initiating "red shifted" consciousness:

The external influences to personology traits consisting of infor-
mation that is communicated (metaprogrammed) including superfluidic
or chaotic information that would represent the lack of function
to process information according to inherent or attempts at useful-
ness, but consisting of the etheric qualities of structure including
repetitive patterned behavior, group association, and group division
in order to make the attempt at processing the information. The par-
ticular advantage of this group is its ability to retain memory of
diverse environments that may be life threatening, i.e., a sort of
"red shifted" state of consciousness.


This sounds a little like our 'dreams'. Often they are of other places
and times that are somehow retained in our consciousness. Or are they
mere imagination? If simply brain constructs then why are they so
emotionally loaded? Perhaps they are visions of the future or past --
or some other planet.



The scouting party then awakens when they consider that conscious-
ness itself has become life-threatening, unless they return to the
womb of their center, mother-earth, at "zero time", full of new data
and wonderment from the cosmos. The technology is not *mythological*.
However, 2001: A Space Odyssey fans will recall the womb of mother
earth in the form of an unborn fetus, representing the moment of
conception - forming the "zero-time", or the "molecular DNA fusing"
time, that happens to be unique for each individual, and UNDER
COVENANT for (approximately) the *entire human race* for all that
really matters. The alignment of planetary bodies in the solar system
at the time of conception are what constitute "zero time" here.
Without this centering, the human biogene would be referenced to
another parallel space-time, and would age differently. Minutes
might become seconds, hours become minutes, 24 minutes to a day,
146 hours per year (~6 days). This is because the expansion of space-
time occurs at a different rate (radially from the initial center)
than the expanding spacetime that is removed from the "center".


There always has to be a 'focus' point which causes a system to hang
together. Otherwise there is chaos. It is speculated that a 'zero
time/position' had to be designated for the "Philadelphia Experiment".



"I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works
are wonderful, I know that full well." (Psalm 139:14 NIV)


The heavens and the cosmos are unbelievably complex and thus
mysterious. Advanced engineering must become commonplace for us to
continue exploring, reaching out, manipulating space-time to our ends.

This is why I am attempting to get our scientific people out of their
Boxes, Boxes that have them tied down to what 'appears' to be
commonsense. Things like Thermodynamics is the 'commonsense' of the
past. We must move ahead.

Certainly, when all is said and done it may well prove that energy is
neither created nor lost, but we have to be extremely careful when
applying that maxim to machines, techniques, and processes that are
much smaller -- and immersed in -- this huge largely unknown Universe
that surrounds us. It may well be that Quantum Tunneling has tapped
outside resources or that a 'key' has unlocked a great power which, in
turn, sucks energy from a distant star.

A little vibration here, a dab of harmonic, a slice of absolute cold, a
dash of vacuum, and 'presto' a Gate has opened -- just like the 'eye of
a needle'. We must engineer for the year 2100 and not get stuck with
steam engines int he 1800's.


tomcat

tomcat wrote:
This sounds a little like the "Philadelphia Experiment". It is a fact
that a small toy sail boat was made to disappear at the Princeton
Institute of Advanced Studies in 1939. The USN denies, however, that
the Philadelphia Experiment, or Project Rainbow, ever happened.


Really? I never heard of that one, only the big one. I have no doubt
that the combined genius of Von Neumann, Einstein, and Tesla were
at work there investigating the disappearance of the USS Eldridge,
and that much of their work carried over into other, even more
mysterious projects, from which there may have been numerous
contacts with dreaded "aliens". However, I believe that it would be
a mistake to throw away or forget the benefits of a technology that
might serve to enhance the earth's "sphere of influence" in the galaxy.


It is theory that ultimately everything breaks down to mere vibration.
We know that harmonics not only affect music, but many physical
phenomena as well.


Absolutely correct. As soon as mass becomes "pinpointed", the
"momentum" disappears, and on average, phase space cancels
out in forward and reverse time, unless the "reaction mass", which
is really no mass at all (the electron - miniature vortex) recompresses
in the fringefield, orthogonally resonant with the earth's geodyne.


The ultra large can be dealt with as easily as the ultra small. It's
just telescopes instead of microscopes. "For want of a shoe the horse
was last. For want of a horse the battle was lost. For want of a
battle the war was lost." Is there a society wheeling and dealing in
planets and solar systems? Possibly. Just possibly.


Thank you for the affirmation, and the mysterious confirmation, for
which there is no logical explanation. It would seem that scientific
intuition itself becomes a part of a larger imagination - perhaps part
of the holographic matrix of a larger consciousness. Why do things
seem so animated here? The idea has been suggested that the
mind is affected by deltronic activity - defying both space and time.
Is the exercise of free will is just another move in a higher dimen-
sional game of chess (right-brained) by some master egoist, or
is ego not even required here because "Iron sharpeneth Iron"?


This sounds a little like our 'dreams'. Often they are of other places
and times that are somehow retained in our consciousness. Or are they
mere imagination? If simply brain constructs then why are they so
emotionally loaded? Perhaps they are visions of the future or past --
or some other planet.


They're telling us now that there are thought processes related to
the exchange of bosons coming out of edge-of-consciousness
interchange - sort of red-shifted and blue-shifted states, if you may.
The activity becomes *deactivated* once it is *detected* possibly
forming a fractaled mirrorplane to further "imprison" the directed
thought process. A simple life without complication MIGHT BE
one that is programmed by a higher consciousness, but is it
edge-of-consciousness bosonic activity? It's in every blood-cell
communicating animal that has ever lived or will live, and so the
"carrier" becomes the blood, or plasma, in a life that lives un-
self-knowing of itself. It would seem to be a contradiction, un-
less THAT soul was divinely guided by a, er, Holy Spirit?
It happens to us all, I guess, whether we like it or not...


There always has to be a 'focus' point which causes a system to hang
together. Otherwise there is chaos. It is speculated that a 'zero
time/position' had to be designated for the "Philadelphia Experiment".


There is an interesting little device that Tesla invented called the
"zero-time generator" that is supposed to look like a "whirly-gig"
of sorts. There is a diagram of it on the internet called "Teslas Zero
Time Generator" at: http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=1800 that seems
to make sense out of it all.


The heavens and the cosmos are unbelievably complex and thus
mysterious. Advanced engineering must become commonplace for us to
continue exploring, reaching out, manipulating space-time to our ends.

This is why I am attempting to get our scientific people out of their
Boxes, Boxes that have them tied down to what 'appears' to be
commonsense. Things like Thermodynamics is the 'commonsense' of the
past. We must move ahead.

Certainly, when all is said and done it may well prove that energy is
neither created nor lost, but we have to be extremely careful when
applying that maxim to machines, techniques, and processes that are
much smaller -- and immersed in -- this huge largely unknown Universe
that surrounds us. It may well be that Quantum Tunneling has tapped
outside resources or that a 'key' has unlocked a great power which, in
turn, sucks energy from a distant star.

A little vibration here, a dab of harmonic, a slice of absolute cold, a
dash of vacuum, and 'presto' a Gate has opened -- just like the 'eye of
a needle'. We must engineer for the year 2100 and not get stuck with
steam engines int he 1800's.

No doubt that the antiquatedness of thoughts that are carried along
by self-induced ignorance are more a product of entrenched legalism
in an entrenched society, that carries its party along with it in the
"politically correct" police state sort of way, with millions upon
millions of swine sucking at the great teet in the greatest givaway
of all mankind - our concrete-and-mortar highway and transportation
system - that promises to confine every soul to where the rubber
meets the road - a far, far cry from where we were intended to be,
in the mass consciousness scheme of things.

And what about steam? If hydrogen and oxygen are mixed in the
same ratio that they are found in H2O, the elements "implode"
creating a spark or continuous flame that does not burn on
contact with skin, yet vaporizes things like firebrick and tungsten.
No appreciable "heat" is produced, yet the chemical reaction
at the atomic (and not the molecular) level can be made to occur
with a 130 degree flame. Thus the vaporizing capacity has increased
to over a millionfold, generating nearly 100 per cent efficiency for
"steam ignition". This method would seem to also have been
rooted in antiquity, since historical archeologists like Z. Sitchin
have suggested in "The Lost Realms" that one of the pillars has
a picture of a man "wearing a backpack" and holding a tool like
a pistol - pointing it at the rock face, with a powerful flame
like a "flame thrower" to shape a stone. Here we are talking
time periods around 100,000 B.C.! There is no doubt that "modern
society" in many respects, is still a backwards one.

tomcat

"tomcat" wrote in message
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P.S. CORRECTION: Substitute F-1a for J-1a. We are talking about the
updated version of the old Saturn V main booster rocket.

You should know better, in that most everything of our Third Reich
created Saturn V is still taboo/nondisclosure, and that's only because
of it's original inert GLOW worth of nearly 30% and of their 60:1 ratio
of supposedly getting nearly 50t into orbiting our moon was simply not
doable, at least not within that short amount of time, nor was it of any
DNA friendly sort of mission to accomplish.

Otherwise, the laws of physics and of going extensively thermal nuclear
in order to obtain that super-heated vapor of h2o are clearly on the
win-win side of using plain old h2o as the means by which we could be
getting vast tonnage away from Earth.

Too bad that using h2o is where your limited mindset comes to a hault,
whereas the easily stored energy/density worth of h2o2 is apparently
taboo/nondisclosure, as is any other combination that involves h2o2.
-
Brad Guth


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American wrote:
And what about steam? If hydrogen and oxygen are mixed in the
same ratio that they are found in H2O, the elements "implode"
creating a spark or continuous flame that does not burn on
contact with skin, yet vaporizes things like firebrick and tungsten.
No appreciable "heat" is produced, yet the chemical reaction
at the atomic (and not the molecular) level can be made to occur
with a 130 degree flame. Thus the vaporizing capacity has increased
to over a millionfold, generating nearly 100 per cent efficiency for
"steam ignition". This method would seem to also have been
rooted in antiquity, since historical archeologists like Z. Sitchin
have suggested in "The Lost Realms" that one of the pillars has
a picture of a man "wearing a backpack" and holding a tool like
a pistol - pointing it at the rock face, with a powerful flame
like a "flame thrower" to shape a stone. Here we are talking
time periods around 100,000 B.C.! There is no doubt that "modern
society" in many respects, is still a backwards one.


Atomic torches, simply blowing hydrogen gas through an electric
current, creates 6000+ deg. F. that can, indeed, cut tungsten. The
current dissociates the H2 into H1 that recombines at 6000 deg. F.
Nice, simple, and little energy involved.

Naysayers say everything is impossible. It is impossible, of course,
until you do it.

Exploding water into it's 1600 x vapor sounds impossible. But mixing
it with a little 'slush hydrogen' which recombines at 6000 deg. F.
ought to do it. Would the instantaneous expansion of water to it's
1600 x vapor create thrust? You can bet on it!

It would create so much thrust that the combustion chamber would have
to be thick metal, but the thrust would easily handle the additional
combustion chamber weight. We might be looking a a couple of million
pounds of thrust on a gallon of water per second.

Using H2O2, as Brad Guth suggests, might help utilize the H2 resulting
from the recombining of the H1 slush. But it is difficult to find H2O2
in Outer Space to refuel your tanks. But -- come to think of it --
such a rocket would work either way. It would just produce a little
'extra' power when fueled with Hydrogen Peroxide rather than Water.


tomcat

: "tomcat"
: Atomic torches, simply blowing hydrogen gas through an electric
: current, creates 6000+ deg. F. that can, indeed, cut tungsten. The
: current dissociates the H2 into H1 that recombines at 6000 deg. F.
: Nice, simple, and little energy involved.

Little energy, once you've ignored that in the electricity.
There's little energy in a nuclear chain reaction, once you've
ignored the fission.

: Naysayers say everything is impossible.

Many naysayers can do arithmetic.


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:51:32 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Wayne Throop) made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

: "tomcat"
: Atomic torches, simply blowing hydrogen gas through an electric
: current, creates 6000+ deg. F. that can, indeed, cut tungsten. The
: current dissociates the H2 into H1 that recombines at 6000 deg. F.
: Nice, simple, and little energy involved.

Little energy, once you've ignored that in the electricity.
There's little energy in a nuclear chain reaction, once you've
ignored the fission.

: Naysayers say everything is impossible.

Many naysayers can do arithmetic.

And naysayers don't say that everything is impossible. Just those
things that defy the laws of physics.

Wayne Throop wrote:
: "tomcat"
: Atomic torches, simply blowing hydrogen gas through an electric
: current, creates 6000+ deg. F. that can, indeed, cut tungsten. The
: current dissociates the H2 into H1 that recombines at 6000 deg. F.
: Nice, simple, and little energy involved.

Little energy, once you've ignored that in the electricity.
There's little energy in a nuclear chain reaction, once you've
ignored the fission.

: Naysayers say everything is impossible.

Many naysayers can do arithmetic.


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw




The entire concept of Steam Rockets is to exploit the 1600 x volumetric
expansion of water. This is an enormous expansion. While it takes
energy, usually in the form of heat, to expand water into it's vapor,
this energy can be supplied in several different ways -- not just by
using nuclear fuel.

Chemical reactions such as sodium can cause water to explode. Hydrogen
slush -- my favorite for a rocket engine -- will recombine H1 when
warmed slightly. If water is mixed with H1 slush it will warm and
result in an instantaneous heating of the water.

Just what you are doing with your 'arithmetic' I don't know. Perhaps
instead of "little energy involved" I should have said 'easily obtained
energy'. Remember that rockets capable of leaving the atmosphere are,
today, very expensive vehicles. The cost of hydrogen slush is nothing
compared to the entire cost of the venture.

You are responding as though I am outlining a 'cheap free energy'
alternative to generating electrical power. While 'free energy' might
be possible this is not what I am talking about. Rather my emphasis is
on the 'radical volumetric expansion of steam' caused by the
application of heat to water.

Thermodynamics makes people get out their slide rules and calculate
everything inside and out. This works for a steam engine generating
electricity, but not for a rocket where the energy is locked up in
molecular and even atomic physics. How much energy, for example, it
takes to 'slush' the hydrogen prior to fueling the rocket is
unimportant for the purpose of the rocket's propulsion.

Likewise, whether or not the Earth's atmosphere and temperature add to
the process is not only complex and confusing but totally unnecessary
for the reaction and thrust to be calculated. Mark my words: "Too
much thermodynamics and you will never get anywhere."

If Sadi Carnot had written his book on Thermodynamics prior to the
invention of the steam engine the steam engine would never have been
invented. The 'Naysayers' would have doomed it with their slide rules.
Why? Because often we do not know all of the energy particulars of a
given situation. Thus, the 'calculations' come up short.

The Steam Engine is, after all, a boil water thing. And, so is a Steam
Rocket. Steam packs a punch, calculations to the contrary or not.


tomcat