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"BURT" wrote in message ... Stephen Hawking said the stupidist thing. That in order to survive as a species we need to live on the Moon as ur population grows. I say ask how much of Earth's resources it would take to set Stephen Hawking in a house on the Moon? and what about someplace farther? No. This is just insane. ================= A concentration camp world is far more insane as well as far more volatile. [At large life] prospers, and thus the same [at large life] survives, through going nova into new space and time frontiers; through division, birth, expansionism and growth. Writers long ago wrote about the mind, particularly the mass mind or mass genius, enlarging in a vastness of "raw, alien and tough frontier (meeting the tests)," enlarging due to enlarged resources of masses and energies, spaces and times, possibilities and opportunities. Genius and mass genius enlarging within the enlarged dimensions of frontier universe and resource. History has already proved many times that mass genius and dynamic civilization goes away -- breaks up internally; splinters internally -- in any environment cut off from vastnesses of spatial frontiers. Increasingly mindless mobs rule, double edged swords ready at any moment to stampede bloodily over failing rulers and ruling states as well as over each other (in and of their own more local constant failures and disorders, closed systemic constant complications, confusions, and finally mind snapping anger at all the relentlessly increasing "zero tolerance" tyrannies (both natural and artificial)). Man is more diverse within its own species than is all the rest of life on Earth in all its billions to trillions of species. Ultimately it is as diverse as matter and anti-matter ([apparently] of the same mind until coming together in a shrinking world, a shrinking box, expanding, growing, states of tyranny). No matter how alien the outside world, the infant inside the womb develops [space age] mass and energy, limbs and organs, structures and infrastructure, to birth, expand, grow, into it. It develops needs and wants, particular those needs of more space and mass and energy resource, the womb can no longer satisfy. But some infants are so stupid as to try to use all its space age stuff to somehow evolve to perfect itself in the womb to fit itself to the womb indeterminately regarding time...to make "a better world" rather than proceed in due time to birth, expand, grow, into the outside universe (to go nova into the universe). I'm not talking about the Moon or Mars for the place of such birthing, expansion and growth. I'm talking about cellular structure and infrastructure. Vast numbers of space island colonies spreading from the interior regions of the solar system to the far exterior regions. Vast numbers of general purpose stations, specialized facilities, and space ships, boats and work pods. And the vastness of the solar system's mass resources....as well as the [utterly spread vastness] of its energy resource making them all possible. Before the [horizontal] expansion into all this would be well underway, we would already be reaching [vertically] for interstellar space. It does not take completeness in one space frontier before the means and reach into the next can be and will be begun. Interstellar space is always close by, being perpendicular to the majority plane of interplanetary and outer clouds' space. Taking the route of the plane of the solar system's disk (interplanetary through outer clouds' [edge] space) to reach interstellar space is to take by far the longest path to it (by far the longest path to anywhere in it). It's the route to interstellar space (by way of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn....) always taken in the movies, by fools! Again, it does not take completeness in one space frontier before the means and reach into the next can be and will be begun. As for the beginning colonies and other beginning structures and vessels in space, it would not take more than trace salting of certain resource elements from Earth to provide L-point orbiting island colonies (with ultimately far more surface area than Earth has in far, far, far, less volume) with all their beginning needs that the Moon and nearest Earth / Moon passing asteroids might not readily provide in quantities needed. Much of it would be coming back down the shute to Earth from the L-point orbiting colonies as farm, fishery, forestry, and countless other types of everyday goods (these the majority of goods; in addition to some new higher tech types of goods). They will also provide Earth orbital services to Earth from the higher frontier outside, including orbital cleanup operations. They will also want the world's developing mountains of garbage. For awhile in the beginning, all the trash-resource Earth can send out. And everything, every bit of the above, will pay. Increasingly energetic returns of expansionist-growth frontier, including in the New Frontier the Old World, over relentlessly diminishing returns of Earth alone. Money is nothing more nor less than a [token] of energy. The less energy, the more worthless the token; worthless money and exchange, more volatility to the human and the great mass of humanity. GLB ==================== |
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G. L. Bradford wrote:
A concentration camp world is far more insane as well as far more volatile. And yet you've decided you're going to continue to live in just such a world. Why, Brad? Jim Davis |
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On Mar 15, 1:24*pm, Jim Davis wrote:
G. L. Bradford wrote: A concentration camp world is far more insane as well as far more volatile. And yet you've decided you're going to continue to live in just such a world. Why, Brad? Jim Davis The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Anson Heinlein This is a good book. All these plans are fantasy unless and until we build up our lift capacity to match our needs. We have about 2,000 tons of fissile materials on Earth. This is processed into 2 billion fissile triggers 1 gram each. These triggers, using zeta-pinch techniques, create micro-fission explosions which are used to detonate lithium-6 deuteride fusor elements, or boron fusor elements ina modified miniature Teller -Ulam two-stage design. These 2 billion pulse units are used to power thousands of vehicles each capable of carrying 50,000 tons to 500,000 tons across the solar system in weeks. A small fleet of a few hundred 50,000 ton ships - carrying millions of pulse units - set out for the asteroid belt looking for rich asteroids. When found, the ships shepherd the asteroids or fragments of the asteroids, back to Earth orbit, using a standoff propulsion technique - which vaporizes a well defined section of asteroid in a well defined direction producing a rocket like effect. While each pulse is small, thousands of them produce a highly controllable delta vee - and in this way, asteroids are harvested and placed into a sun synchronous polar orbit. Very large solar power satellite arrays are placed in GEO using nuclear pulse ships as well. Power is beamed to Earth and to remotely controlled factories lofted into orbit along with the rich asteroids. The factories produce large pressure vessels whch are then populated with crops and trees to create teleoperated farms and forests to join the teleoperated factories on orbit. Food, fiber, and every manner of consumer good is deorbited directly to consumers anywhere on Earth in minutes, following a satellite telephone call - in unlimited quantity. In regions where local government does not allow people to enjoy this abuandance in peace, floating cities are deorbited, and float overhead to collect anyone who wishes to leave. Laser propelled spacecraft are ultimately deorbited and give everyone the capacity to own their own personal space colony on orbit. |
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On Mar 15, 8:50*pm, wrote:
On Mar 15, 1:24*pm, Jim Davis wrote: G. L. Bradford wrote: A concentration camp world is far more insane as well as far more volatile. And yet you've decided you're going to continue to live in just such a world. Why, Brad? Jim Davis The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Anson Heinlein This is a good book. All these plans are fantasy unless and until we build up our lift capacity to match our needs. *We have about 2,000 tons of fissile materials on Earth. *This is processed into 2 billion fissile triggers 1 gram each. *These triggers, using zeta-pinch techniques, create micro-fission explosions which are used to detonate lithium-6 deuteride fusor elements, or boron fusor elements ina modified miniature Teller -Ulam two-stage design. *These 2 billion pulse units are used to power thousands of vehicles each capable of carrying 50,000 tons to 500,000 tons across the solar system in weeks. A small fleet of a few hundred 50,000 ton ships - carrying millions of pulse units - set out for the asteroid belt looking for rich asteroids. *When found, the ships shepherd the asteroids or fragments of the asteroids, back to Earth orbit, using a standoff propulsion technique - which vaporizes a well defined section of asteroid in a well defined direction producing a rocket like effect. *While each pulse is small, thousands of them produce a highly controllable delta vee - and in this way, asteroids are harvested and placed into a sun synchronous polar orbit. Very large solar power satellite arrays are placed in GEO using nuclear pulse ships as well. *Power is beamed to Earth and to remotely controlled factories lofted into orbit along with the rich asteroids. The factories produce large pressure vessels whch are then populated with crops and trees to create teleoperated farms and forests to join the teleoperated factories on orbit. *Food, fiber, and every manner of consumer good is deorbited directly to consumers anywhere on Earth in minutes, following a satellite telephone call - in unlimited quantity. *In regions where local government does not allow people to enjoy this abuandance in peace, floating cities are deorbited, and float overhead to collect anyone who wishes to leave. Laser propelled spacecraft are ultimately deorbited and give everyone the capacity to own their own personal space colony on orbit. Or we could use that cache of fissile materials in order to greatly improve the quality of life on Earth, or at least within our Selene/ moon. Much like Earth, our Selene/moon even has a sufficient core of geothermal energy. Too bad we still do not have a viable fly-by-rocket lander for getting ourselves safely to/from our Selene/moon and its nifty L1. I guess we can only go so far on a given cesspool of mainstream lies. Since there's most of everything we need on or within our Selene/moon, what exactly are we waiting for? ~ BG |
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On Mar 15, 1:20*am, "G. L. Bradford" wrote:
"BURT" wrote in message ... Stephen Hawking said the stupidist thing. That in order to survive as a species we need to live on the Moon as ur population grows. I say ask how much of Earth's resources it would take to set Stephen Hawking in a house on the Moon? and what about someplace farther? No. This is just insane. ================= * A concentration camp world is far more insane as well as far more volatile. [At large life] prospers, and thus the same [at large life] survives, through going nova into new space and time frontiers; through division, birth, expansionism and growth. Writers long ago wrote about the mind, particularly the mass mind or mass genius, enlarging in a vastness of "raw, alien and tough frontier (meeting the tests)," enlarging due to enlarged resources of masses and energies, spaces and times, possibilities and opportunities. Genius and mass genius enlarging within the enlarged dimensions of frontier universe and resource. * History has already proved many times that mass genius and dynamic civilization goes away -- breaks up internally; splinters internally -- in any environment cut off from vastnesses of spatial frontiers. Increasingly mindless mobs rule, double edged swords ready at any moment to stampede bloodily over failing rulers and ruling states as well as over each other (in and of their own more local constant failures and disorders, closed systemic constant complications, confusions, and finally mind snapping anger at all the relentlessly increasing "zero tolerance" tyrannies (both natural and artificial)). Man is more diverse within its own species than is all the rest of life on Earth in all its billions to trillions of species. Ultimately it is as diverse as matter and anti-matter ([apparently] of the same mind until coming together in a shrinking world, a shrinking box, expanding, growing, states of tyranny). * No matter how alien the outside world, the infant inside the womb develops [space age] mass and energy, limbs and organs, structures and infrastructure, to birth, expand, grow, into it. It develops needs and wants, particular those needs of more space and mass and energy resource, the womb can no longer satisfy. But some infants are so stupid as to try to use all its space age stuff to somehow evolve to perfect itself in the womb to fit itself to the womb indeterminately regarding time...to make "a better world" rather than proceed in due time to birth, expand, grow, into the outside universe (to go nova into the universe). * I'm not talking about the Moon or Mars for the place of such birthing, expansion and growth. I'm talking about cellular structure and infrastructure. Vast numbers of space island colonies spreading from the interior regions of the solar system to the far exterior regions. Vast numbers of general purpose stations, specialized facilities, and space ships, boats and work pods. And the vastness of the solar system's mass resources....as well as the [utterly spread vastness] of its energy resource making them all possible. Before the [horizontal] expansion into all this would be well underway, we would already be reaching [vertically] for interstellar space. It does not take completeness in one space frontier before the means and reach into the next can be and will be begun. Interstellar space is always close by, being perpendicular to the majority plane of interplanetary and outer clouds' space. Taking the route of the plane of the solar system's disk (interplanetary through outer clouds' [edge] space) to reach interstellar space is to take by far the longest path to it (by far the longest path to anywhere in it). It's the route to interstellar space (by way of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn....) always taken in the movies, by fools! * Again, it does not take completeness in one space frontier before the means and reach into the next can be and will be begun. * As for the beginning colonies and other beginning structures and vessels in space, it would not take more than trace salting of certain resource elements from Earth to provide L-point orbiting island colonies (with ultimately far more surface area than Earth has in far, far, far, less volume) with all their beginning needs that the Moon and nearest Earth / Moon passing asteroids might not readily provide in quantities needed. Much of it would be coming back down the shute to Earth from the L-point orbiting colonies as farm, fishery, forestry, and countless other types of everyday goods (these the majority of goods; in addition to some new higher tech types of goods). They will also provide Earth orbital services to Earth from the higher frontier outside, including orbital cleanup operations. * They will also want the world's developing mountains of garbage. For awhile in the beginning, all the trash-resource Earth can send out. * And everything, every bit of the above, will pay. Increasingly energetic returns of expansionist-growth frontier, including in the New Frontier the Old World, over relentlessly diminishing returns of Earth alone. Money is nothing more nor less than a [token] of energy. The less energy, the more worthless the token; worthless money and exchange, more volatility to the human and the great mass of humanity. GLB ==================== The concentration camp of Eden is getting kind of maxed out, so perhaps our Selene/moon isn't such a bad idea or insurmountable as for providing our best off-world option as our ultimate go-between. However, the Selene/moon L1 would be a whole lot better option, especially along with the LSE-CM/ISS. ~ BG |
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On Mar 17, 4:03*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Mar 15, 1:20*am, "G. L. Bradford" wrote: "BURT" wrote in message ... Stephen Hawking said the stupidist thing. That in order to survive as a species we need to live on the Moon as ur population grows. I say ask how much of Earth's resources it would take to set Stephen Hawking in a house on the Moon? and what about someplace farther? No. This is just insane. ================= * A concentration camp world is far more insane as well as far more volatile. [At large life] prospers, and thus the same [at large life] survives, through going nova into new space and time frontiers; through division, birth, expansionism and growth. Writers long ago wrote about the mind, particularly the mass mind or mass genius, enlarging in a vastness of "raw, alien and tough frontier (meeting the tests)," enlarging due to enlarged resources of masses and energies, spaces and times, possibilities and opportunities. Genius and mass genius enlarging within the enlarged dimensions of frontier universe and resource. * History has already proved many times that mass genius and dynamic civilization goes away -- breaks up internally; splinters internally -- in any environment cut off from vastnesses of spatial frontiers. Increasingly mindless mobs rule, double edged swords ready at any moment to stampede bloodily over failing rulers and ruling states as well as over each other (in and of their own more local constant failures and disorders, closed systemic constant complications, confusions, and finally mind snapping anger at all the relentlessly increasing "zero tolerance" tyrannies (both natural and artificial)). Man is more diverse within its own species than is all the rest of life on Earth in all its billions to trillions of species. Ultimately it is as diverse as matter and anti-matter ([apparently] of the same mind until coming together in a shrinking world, a shrinking box, expanding, growing, states of tyranny). * No matter how alien the outside world, the infant inside the womb develops [space age] mass and energy, limbs and organs, structures and infrastructure, to birth, expand, grow, into it. It develops needs and wants, particular those needs of more space and mass and energy resource, the womb can no longer satisfy. But some infants are so stupid as to try to use all its space age stuff to somehow evolve to perfect itself in the womb to fit itself to the womb indeterminately regarding time...to make "a better world" rather than proceed in due time to birth, expand, grow, into the outside universe (to go nova into the universe). * I'm not talking about the Moon or Mars for the place of such birthing, expansion and growth. I'm talking about cellular structure and infrastructure. Vast numbers of space island colonies spreading from the interior regions of the solar system to the far exterior regions. Vast numbers of general purpose stations, specialized facilities, and space ships, boats and work pods. And the vastness of the solar system's mass resources....as well as the [utterly spread vastness] of its energy resource making them all possible. Before the [horizontal] expansion into all this would be well underway, we would already be reaching [vertically] for interstellar space. It does not take completeness in one space frontier before the means and reach into the next can be and will be begun. Interstellar space is always close by, being perpendicular to the majority plane of interplanetary and outer clouds' space. Taking the route of the plane of the solar system's disk (interplanetary through outer clouds' [edge] space) to reach interstellar space is to take by far the longest path to it (by far the longest path to anywhere in it). It's the route to interstellar space (by way of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn....) always taken in the movies, by fools! * Again, it does not take completeness in one space frontier before the means and reach into the next can be and will be begun. * As for the beginning colonies and other beginning structures and vessels in space, it would not take more than trace salting of certain resource elements from Earth to provide L-point orbiting island colonies (with ultimately far more surface area than Earth has in far, far, far, less volume) with all their beginning needs that the Moon and nearest Earth / Moon passing asteroids might not readily provide in quantities needed. Much of it would be coming back down the shute to Earth from the L-point orbiting colonies as farm, fishery, forestry, and countless other types of everyday goods (these the majority of goods; in addition to some new higher tech types of goods). They will also provide Earth orbital services to Earth from the higher frontier outside, including orbital cleanup operations. * They will also want the world's developing mountains of garbage. For awhile in the beginning, all the trash-resource Earth can send out. * And everything, every bit of the above, will pay. Increasingly energetic returns of expansionist-growth frontier, including in the New Frontier the Old World, over relentlessly diminishing returns of Earth alone. Money is nothing more nor less than a [token] of energy. The less energy, the more worthless the token; worthless money and exchange, more volatility to the human and the great mass of humanity. GLB ==================== The concentration camp of Eden is getting kind of maxed out, so perhaps our Selene/moon isn't such a bad idea or insurmountable as for providing our best off-world option as our ultimate go-between. However, the Selene/moon L1 would be a whole lot better option, especially along with the LSE-CM/ISS. *~ BG- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A true off-world prison-prison if there ever was such a thing. How many more greased pigs do we need in American politics? There's another black-hole budget to seal the deal for the future of humanity, if there ever was one. How much more of this hospitality do we need to plant certain people who are really not in need of transplantation, especially when it comes to free market enterprise? The Guth answer is framed and marked for implementation just as soon as B. O.'s teleprompter receives the reply - are Americans really up to Borg implants this soon? American |
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On Mar 17, 12:13*pm, American wrote:
On Mar 17, 4:03*pm, BradGuth wrote: On Mar 15, 1:20*am, "G. L. Bradford" wrote: "BURT" wrote in message .... Stephen Hawking said the stupidist thing. That in order to survive as a species we need to live on the Moon as ur population grows. I say ask how much of Earth's resources it would take to set Stephen Hawking in a house on the Moon? and what about someplace farther? No. This is just insane. ================= * A concentration camp world is far more insane as well as far more volatile. [At large life] prospers, and thus the same [at large life] survives, through going nova into new space and time frontiers; through division, birth, expansionism and growth. Writers long ago wrote about the mind, particularly the mass mind or mass genius, enlarging in a vastness of "raw, alien and tough frontier (meeting the tests)," enlarging due to enlarged resources of masses and energies, spaces and times, possibilities and opportunities. Genius and mass genius enlarging within the enlarged dimensions of frontier universe and resource. * History has already proved many times that mass genius and dynamic civilization goes away -- breaks up internally; splinters internally -- in any environment cut off from vastnesses of spatial frontiers. Increasingly mindless mobs rule, double edged swords ready at any moment to stampede bloodily over failing rulers and ruling states as well as over each other (in and of their own more local constant failures and disorders, closed systemic constant complications, confusions, and finally mind snapping anger at all the relentlessly increasing "zero tolerance" tyrannies (both natural and artificial)). Man is more diverse within its own species than is all the rest of life on Earth in all its billions to trillions of species. Ultimately it is as diverse as matter and anti-matter ([apparently] of the same mind until coming together in a shrinking world, a shrinking box, expanding, growing, states of tyranny). * No matter how alien the outside world, the infant inside the womb develops [space age] mass and energy, limbs and organs, structures and infrastructure, to birth, expand, grow, into it. It develops needs and wants, particular those needs of more space and mass and energy resource, the womb can no longer satisfy. But some infants are so stupid as to try to use all its space age stuff to somehow evolve to perfect itself in the womb to fit itself to the womb indeterminately regarding time...to make "a better world" rather than proceed in due time to birth, expand, grow, into the outside universe (to go nova into the universe). * I'm not talking about the Moon or Mars for the place of such birthing, expansion and growth. I'm talking about cellular structure and infrastructure. Vast numbers of space island colonies spreading from the interior regions of the solar system to the far exterior regions. Vast numbers of general purpose stations, specialized facilities, and space ships, boats and work pods. And the vastness of the solar system's mass resources....as well as the [utterly spread vastness] of its energy resource making them all possible. Before the [horizontal] expansion into all this would be well underway, we would already be reaching [vertically] for interstellar space. It does not take completeness in one space frontier before the means and reach into the next can be and will be begun. Interstellar space is always close by, being perpendicular to the majority plane of interplanetary and outer clouds' space. Taking the route of the plane of the solar system's disk (interplanetary through outer clouds' [edge] space) to reach interstellar space is to take by far the longest path to it (by far the longest path to anywhere in it). It's the route to interstellar space (by way of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn....) always taken in the movies, by fools! * Again, it does not take completeness in one space frontier before the means and reach into the next can be and will be begun. * As for the beginning colonies and other beginning structures and vessels in space, it would not take more than trace salting of certain resource elements from Earth to provide L-point orbiting island colonies (with ultimately far more surface area than Earth has in far, far, far, less volume) with all their beginning needs that the Moon and nearest Earth / Moon passing asteroids might not readily provide in quantities needed.. Much of it would be coming back down the shute to Earth from the L-point orbiting colonies as farm, fishery, forestry, and countless other types of everyday goods (these the majority of goods; in addition to some new higher tech types of goods). They will also provide Earth orbital services to Earth from the higher frontier outside, including orbital cleanup operations. * They will also want the world's developing mountains of garbage. For awhile in the beginning, all the trash-resource Earth can send out. * And everything, every bit of the above, will pay. Increasingly energetic returns of expansionist-growth frontier, including in the New Frontier the Old World, over relentlessly diminishing returns of Earth alone. Money is nothing more nor less than a [token] of energy. The less energy, the more worthless the token; worthless money and exchange, more volatility to the human and the great mass of humanity. GLB ==================== The concentration camp of Eden is getting kind of maxed out, so perhaps our Selene/moon isn't such a bad idea or insurmountable as for providing our best off-world option as our ultimate go-between. However, the Selene/moon L1 would be a whole lot better option, especially along with the LSE-CM/ISS. *~ BG- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A true off-world prison-prison if there ever was such a thing. Not really a prison, as you can go to/from the Selene/moon L1 rather efficiently. The underground habitats within Selene certainly are not prison worthy unless you intended such to be the case. How many more greased pigs do we need in American politics? Apparently we one "greased pig" for every 10 of us. There's another black-hole budget to seal the deal for the future of humanity, if there ever was one. *How much more of this hospitality do we need to plant certain people who are really not in need of transplantation, especially when it comes to free market enterprise? The Guth answer is framed and marked for implementation just as soon as B. O.'s teleprompter receives the reply - are Americans really up to Borg implants this soon? American It shouldn't be a choice. 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On Mar 17, 3:55*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Mar 15, 8:50*pm, wrote: On Mar 15, 1:24*pm, Jim Davis wrote: G. L. Bradford wrote: A concentration camp world is far more insane as well as far more volatile. And yet you've decided you're going to continue to live in just such a world. Why, Brad? Jim Davis The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert Anson Heinlein This is a good book. All these plans are fantasy unless and until we build up our lift capacity to match our needs. *We have about 2,000 tons of fissile materials on Earth. *This is processed into 2 billion fissile triggers 1 gram each. *These triggers, using zeta-pinch techniques, create micro-fission explosions which are used to detonate lithium-6 deuteride fusor elements, or boron fusor elements ina modified miniature Teller -Ulam two-stage design. *These 2 billion pulse units are used to power thousands of vehicles each capable of carrying 50,000 tons to 500,000 tons across the solar system in weeks. A small fleet of a few hundred 50,000 ton ships - carrying millions of pulse units - set out for the asteroid belt looking for rich asteroids. *When found, the ships shepherd the asteroids or fragments of the asteroids, back to Earth orbit, using a standoff propulsion technique - which vaporizes a well defined section of asteroid in a well defined direction producing a rocket like effect. *While each pulse is small, thousands of them produce a highly controllable delta vee - and in this way, asteroids are harvested and placed into a sun synchronous polar orbit. Very large solar power satellite arrays are placed in GEO using nuclear pulse ships as well. *Power is beamed to Earth and to remotely controlled factories lofted into orbit along with the rich asteroids. The factories produce large pressure vessels whch are then populated with crops and trees to create teleoperated farms and forests to join the teleoperated factories on orbit. *Food, fiber, and every manner of consumer good is deorbited directly to consumers anywhere on Earth in minutes, following a satellite telephone call - in unlimited quantity. *In regions where local government does not allow people to enjoy this abuandance in peace, floating cities are deorbited, and float overhead to collect anyone who wishes to leave. Laser propelled spacecraft are ultimately deorbited and give everyone the capacity to own their own personal space colony on orbit. Or we could use that cache of fissile materials in order to greatly improve the quality of life on Earth, Umm... ridding the world of nuclear materials and nuclear weapons improves life on Earth. Using nuclear pulse engines built around old weapons materials to orbit large solar power satellites that beam infrared laser energy to users anywhere on demand, improves life on Earth, by lowering the cost of energy, making energy more widely available and more abundant, and ending the endless pollution of our air b ending the use of conventional fuels. Putting in place a large network of multi-point comsats to turn the world into a global wireless hotspot, that supports billions of biometric and VR signalling channels, does the same thing. Humanoid robots like ASIMO work anywhere driven by workers who live anywhere - this immediately improves life on Earth by providing meaningful and profitable work for all. Capturing rich asteroids, using nuclear pulse techniques to bring them into Earth orbit, and using nuclear pulse lifters to place significant remotely controlled factories on them to manufacture stuff and deliver it anwhere its needed on Earth at extremely low cost - dramatically improves life on Earth. or at least within our Selene/ moon. The moon is not particularly rich when compared to some asteroids, riches on the moon are buried deep within the moon and must be extracted, the moon sits at the bottom of a substantial gravity well that without aerobraking adds significant cost to getting materials out of the moon and back to Earth, the moon is more than 1 light second away which means we cannot use present telerobotic techniques as effectively as we can within 1/5th light second of Earth. The moon will one day be a valuable resource, and one day be a vital inhabited world, using the moon to resolve our materials issues on Earth quickly is more problematical than asteroid capture and processing on orbit as described above. *Much like Earth, our Selene/moon even has a sufficient core of geothermal energy. No it does not. Too bad we still do not have a viable fly-by-rocket lander for getting ourselves safely to/from our Selene/moon Your boneheaded contention that the Apollo flights did not occur as described marks you as a profoundly troubled personality. and its nifty L1. Lagrange point 1 between Earth and Sol is more important. Lunar/Earth L1 is a good place for a communications satellite - that's about it. *I guess we can only go so far on a given cesspool of mainstream lies. The only cesspool of lies are yours sir. You love projecting your reality to those outside you. Fortunately, no one is fooled - except perhaps for you. Since there's most of everything we need on or within our Selene/moon, what exactly are we waiting for? Please explain in detail how you would proceed and why it would be less expensive speedier and more reliable than what I have described? To recap; 1) sign an enhanced nonproliferation treaty and put all 2,000 tons fissile material under international control - Ends the threat of loose nukes 2) use weapons lobs to convert bombs and materials into micro-fission pulse triggers - keeps the weaponeers busy 3) develop nuclear pulse engines around fusion elements triggered b small micro-fission triggers - insipres universal cooperation, unites world in a positive vision of the future. 4) build a fleet of 200 ships each 50,000 ton capacity as interplanetary cruisers - provides substantial capacity at less cost than US Navy. 5) put up a communications satellite network - provide global wireless broadband - establishes mass produced space hardware achieves early price point and productivity needed to advance, provides seamless means to work remotely through telerobotics. 6) put up a power satellite network - provide global wireless power - ends our pollution of the atmosphere, lowers energy costs, and ends energy limits to growth 7) survey the small bodies of the solar system - select the richest of these for retrieval - expands the availability of raw materials while reducing the impact of human industry on Earth's biosphere. 8) retrieve the richest small bodies to sun synch polar orbit - ideal location for orbiting factories, they pass over every point on Earth twice a day. 9) place remotely operated factories on the captured asteroids - using materials in captured asteroid, processed into useful goods that are then delivered directly from orbit in minutes to anyone anywhere in response to a satellite phone call. 10) expand orbital infrastructure - build products for use IN space - large pressure vessels to house farms, forests and eventually people - adding food and wood and wood products to the products available from space. 11) build large pressure vessels that are capable of floating in Earth's atmosphere - by heating the air within. These are similar to Buckminster Fuller's Cloud Nine cities proposed in 1962. Tens of thousands of these cities, each housing up to 100,000 people float through the skies of Earth- supplied with food and water and fiber and products from Orbit - communications available to all. People work telerobotically anywhere on Earth or Earth orbit from these cities - the cities float to any point on Earth and pick up anyone anywhere on request - freeing the poor and powerless from tyranny. Large pressure vessels are also built on orbit to house people who arrive there from Earth. 12) homes powered and supplied and connected to space based infrastructure are landed and self-erect anywhere desired. Many have automated well stocked green houses providing minature farms - all have teleoperated robots that allow people to recieve all manner of personal services in their home telerobotically. All have a teleoperation suite that allow homeowners to work anywhere and recieve compensation to buy goods and services from the orbiting infrastructure. MEMs based laser powered rocket arrays - forming propulsive skins on the surface of personal spacecraft - make the home spaceship possible - these too are delivered to people on demand - anywhere - allowing them to travel anywere in minutes, or travel to orbit and back at ease. All these things improve the quality of life on Earth - and it starts with converting nuclear weapons into nuclear triggers for nuclear pulse rockets of tremendous capacity. *~ BG |
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On Mar 18, 11:56*am, wrote:
Umm... ridding the world of nuclear materials and nuclear weapons improves life on Earth. For the most part that true, although it would be a shame not to use our fair share of thorium for the clean energy that it can deliver. Using nuclear pulse engines built around old weapons materials to orbit large solar power satellites that beam infrared laser energy to users anywhere on demand, improves life on Earth, by lowering the cost of energy, making energy more widely available and more abundant, and ending the endless pollution of our air b ending the use of conventional fuels. Can't argue against that, except we don't have another century to wait. Putting in place a large network of multi-point comsats to turn the world into a global wireless hotspot, that supports billions of biometric and VR signalling channels, does the same thing. *Humanoid robots like ASIMO work anywhere driven by workers who live anywhere - this immediately improves life on Earth by providing meaningful and profitable work for all. Again, if we manage to survive the next century and you manage to pull everything off without a hitch. Capturing rich asteroids, using nuclear pulse techniques to bring them into Earth orbit, and using nuclear pulse lifters to place significant remotely controlled factories on them to manufacture stuff and deliver it anwhere its needed on Earth at extremely low cost - dramatically improves life on Earth. Now you're talking of multiple centuries from now, unless of course you decide to include our Selene/moon as a viable asteroid to plunder, as after all it is rather big and nearby as is, even it it were relocated to Earth L1. *or at least within our Selene/ moon. The moon is not particularly rich when compared to some asteroids, riches on the moon are buried deep within the moon and must be extracted, the moon sits at the bottom of a substantial gravity well that without aerobraking adds significant cost to getting materials out of the moon and back to Earth, the moon is more than 1 light second away which means we cannot use present telerobotic techniques as effectively as we can within 1/5th light second of Earth. *The moon will one day be a valuable resource, and one day be a vital inhabited world, using the moon to resolve our materials issues on Earth quickly is more problematical than asteroid capture and processing on orbit as described above. If you say so, because the physics and science we have thus far doesn't agree with your interpretation. *Much like Earth, our Selene/moon even has a sufficient core of geothermal energy. No it does not. Again, your science is certainly all alone, as here you don't even agree with NASA or a dozen other interpretations. Too bad we still do not have a viable fly-by-rocket lander for getting ourselves safely to/from our Selene/moon Your boneheaded contention that the Apollo flights did not occur as described marks you as a profoundly troubled personality. Are you saying that we can use the William Mook fly-by-rocket lander? (because the R&D related to our NASA/Apollo one doesn't seem to exist) and its nifty L1. Lagrange point 1 between Earth and Sol is more important. *Lunar/Earth L1 is a good place for a communications satellite - that's about it. Where's that Mook imagination? (is Mook going brain-dead on us) You do realize that Clarke Station and the Boeing OASIS are each engineered to work just perfectly fine and dandy, not to mention my LSE-CM/ISS. *I guess we can only go so far on a given cesspool of mainstream lies. The only cesspool of lies are yours sir. *You love projecting your reality to those outside you. *Fortunately, no one is fooled - except perhaps for you. The cold hard truths of physics and the best available science differs with your negative and often bipolar mindset. Since there's most of everything we need on or within our Selene/moon, what exactly are we waiting for? Please explain in detail how you would proceed and why it would be less expensive speedier and more reliable than what I have described? I've already done that, and you cared less because you're stuck in naysay mode. My terrestrial wind energy alone puts your solar PV farms to shame, not to mention my battery of thorium reactors. To recap; *1) sign an enhanced nonproliferation treaty and put all 2,000 tons fissile material under international control - Ends the threat of loose nukes *2) use weapons lobs to convert bombs and materials into micro-fission pulse triggers - keeps the weaponeers busy *3) develop nuclear pulse engines around fusion elements triggered b small micro-fission triggers - insipres universal cooperation, unites world in a positive vision of the future. *4) build a fleet of 200 ships each 50,000 ton capacity as interplanetary cruisers - provides substantial capacity at less cost than US Navy. *5) put up a communications satellite network - provide global wireless broadband - establishes mass produced space hardware achieves early price point and productivity needed to advance, provides seamless means to work remotely through telerobotics. *6) put up a power satellite network - provide global wireless power - ends our pollution of the atmosphere, lowers energy costs, and ends energy limits to growth *7) survey the small bodies of the solar system - select the richest of these for retrieval - expands the availability of raw materials while reducing the impact of human industry on Earth's biosphere. *8) retrieve the richest small bodies to sun synch polar orbit - ideal location for orbiting factories, they pass over every point on Earth twice a day. *9) place remotely operated factories on the captured asteroids *- using materials in captured asteroid, processed into useful goods that are then delivered directly from orbit in minutes to anyone anywhere in response to a satellite phone call. 10) expand orbital infrastructure - build products for use IN space - large pressure vessels to house farms, forests and eventually people - adding food and wood and wood products to the products available from space. 11) build large pressure vessels that are capable of floating in Earth's atmosphere - by heating the air within. *These are similar to Buckminster Fuller's Cloud Nine cities proposed in 1962. *Tens of thousands of these cities, each housing up to 100,000 people float through the skies of Earth- supplied with food and water and fiber and products from Orbit - communications available to all. *People work telerobotically anywhere on Earth or Earth orbit from these cities - the cities float to any point on Earth and pick up anyone anywhere on request - freeing the poor and powerless from tyranny. *Large pressure vessels are also built on orbit to house people who arrive there from Earth. 12) homes powered and supplied and connected to space based infrastructure are landed and self-erect anywhere desired. *Many have automated well stocked green houses providing minature farms - all have teleoperated robots that allow people to recieve all manner of personal services in their home telerobotically. *All have a teleoperation suite that allow homeowners to work anywhere and recieve compensation to buy goods and services from the orbiting infrastructure. *MEMs based laser powered rocket arrays - forming propulsive skins on the surface of personal spacecraft - make the home spaceship possible - these too are delivered to people on demand - anywhere - allowing them to travel anywere in minutes, or travel to orbit and back at ease. All these things improve the quality of life on Earth - and it starts with converting nuclear weapons into nuclear triggers for nuclear pulse rockets of tremendous capacity. Your nifty stuff at best is decades away and going to cost us trillions. Our Selene/moon is right here and now, although so is the rather easy access to the planet Venus. Your terrestrial solutions are certainly going against Big Energy, so much so that they'll never happen until long after you're dead. However, one or two out of the above 12 should work, and that's still better than most. Your original green hydrogen economy is certainly a win-win-win, even if you refuse to make any h2o2 (seems you'd just as soon outlaw the makings of h2o2). ~ BG |
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On Mar 17, 4:27*pm, BradGuth wrote:
How many more greased pigs do we need in American politics? Apparently we one "greased pig" for every 10 of us. and so 1/10th of the workforce gets represented by 100% republican/democrat spin which won't represent 99% of the truth, even at least 50% of the time. (Seems like it's time for a makeover). Lies upon Lies upon Lies ------------------------------------- Lie: Bailed-out AIG executives are the only reason that angry mobs should be directed at the entire AIG fallout (700 Billion) , while only 1/10th of 1% of bonuses paid to executives are in the process of being "accused". Lie: Barrack Obama never said that there would be a limiting of "earmarks" on any of pending or enacted legislation. Lie: Sec'ty of Treasury Gytner didn't know about AIG bailouts more than three weeks ago, when the offer to "punish" those who took advantage of bonus money that was the result of the stimulus recommended by socialist democrats. Lie: Preventing abortions is less important than supporting illegal aliens, who would represent larger voting blocs of welfare recipients in a society of anti-capitalists. Lie: Government must enlarge itself in order to create markets for windmills, "green" cars, and more environmental regulation in order to expand the welfare state, anti-capitalism, and isolationism. Lie: The Constitution does not deny legislative authority by Congress. Any act of Congress is constitutional as long as it is made in the interests of the State. Lie: All Acts of Congress are legally enforcable representations of the president's desires. It is hypocritical to claim allegiance and be unwilling to accept presidential wishes enacted by Congress. Submission and allegiance are synonymous. Lie: Refusal to accept Congressional legislation is in itself open rebellion. Intimidations of the IRS justify military occupation. Lie: The purpose of taxation is not political control but, rather, economic security for the bureaucracy. We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident ----------------------------------------------------------- Truth: Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness Truth: It is unconstitutional for either the president or congress to make laws (other than trade regulations) for us. When congressional legislation threatens our ability to make an honest living, we will protest and resist. Truth: The president has only executive authority. He can exercise executive powers and executive influence but cannot originate legislation. Truth: If local authority can become counteracted by congres- sionally enforced taxation, the bureaucracy intends to make us all slaves. Truth: It's high time that the perception of all bureaucratic, big-government centralists who operate out of their so- called "transparent" Washington, D.C. glass houses, should be recognized for the stench of compost that they've inherited by their own actions in misrepresenting revolutionary, free market technology. Truth: When the political factor overrides the intelligence factor throughout the land, then the mob mentality encompasses more large groups of curious but uninformed status quo, who, because of 1/10th of all the workforce throughout America (bureaucrats) being represented by 100% of the political republican/democrat media spin - spin that can never represent the other 99.9% of the truth, and who assume by their own misled ignorance (or arrogance), that certain scapegoats, who become framed by this "one trick pony" administration, must become targeted as the preferred focal point - scapegoats who represent only 0.1% of all bonuses paid throughout the AGI complex of all bonuses paid to receivers of bailout funds, yet wrongfully creating the accusation on a single (or group of single) executives - executives that are being made as the culprits for the hidden and self-perpetuating reason of administrative anarchy-gone-populist - this being done through- out the listening and viewing "prime time" malframed land of fawning presidential media, especially as it becomes impossible for an administration of this kind to potentate some witch-hunt on accusation of snobbery on every single bundle of aristocratic "wheat" in assuming that there exists only a single "tare" amongst them. Truth: In Communist and Socialist nations, individuals are guilty until proven innocent. In free societies, there can be no such thing as guilt without burden of proof. Such laws are rooted in positive law. Idealistically, there would be no clear distinction between classes of people, because all people would live their lives under positive law, and would have the ability to transform themselves with the renewing of their minds - AS THE KNOWLEDGE BECOMES AVAILABLE TO THEM. All everyone has to do is to believe that "... the one who is in you, is greater than the one who is in the world". (1 John 4:4) - and a way is made to access that knowledge, so that one may bear much (spiritual) fruit according to the spiritual knowledge that God has blessed them with. In such an idealistic nation, the social structure takes care of itself. THERE IS NO NEED TO POLICE HUMAN BEHAVIOR because all actions by groups of believers are made for the enhancement of the entire group. IMO these kinds of groups that can think for themselves are not being influenced by popular mass media, and they can exercise their own personal freedom and personal privacy by freedom from interference of intrusive government, overtaxation, and urban sprawl. They are, and will always be, the most important part of an America that believes in themselves - rather than having those in the bureaucracy do it for them. American |
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