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Old April 9th 09, 12:50 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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"Alan Erskine" wrote in
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The US does help nations orbit payloads. Openly. For that matter,
why doesn't NK use Chinese LVs to launch their satellites?

South Korea turned to Russia to develop its own launcher. South Korea
decided to speed up development by joining with Russia, and
cooperation began in 2004.


KARI is now developing the Korea Space Launch Vehicle, whose first-
stage is based on the Angara rocket. First launch of the KSLV is
expected in 2009.


Says who? Cites?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Space_Launch_Vehicle

I really don't see the real utility of either vehicle other than
national pride and political leverage.

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Old April 9th 09, 07:28 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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"Alan Erskine" wrote:

2 Only a nut would think NK is developing a satellite launch program.


Why wouldn't they?

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Old April 9th 09, 07:30 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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Pat Flannery wrote:

Derek Lyons wrote:

http://www.irandefence.net/showthrea...t=47276&page=2
It looks like the "satellite fairing" has a ablative heatshield at its
tip, like a warhead would have.


It has something colored differntly than the rest of the rocket, sure.


It could be a simple heatshield atop the fairing to protect it from
ascent heating, but what it actually resembles is the nose of a Corona
reconsat RV like were launched attached to a Agena upper stage.


So? The conical tops of anyone of a number of launch fairings
resemble conical RVs.

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Old April 9th 09, 05:54 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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Derek Lyons wrote:
So? The conical tops of anyone of a number of launch fairings
resemble conical RVs.


Yeah but the top of this one is brownish-red, like some sort of ablative
material:
http://www.irandefence.net/attachmen...1&d=1239150049
You get heating on the way up, but _that_ much heating?
It also looks like it bulges out a bit from the smooth contour of the
nosecap.

Pat
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Old April 10th 09, 02:41 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Apr 8, 5:24*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 8, 1:32*pm, "Alan Erskine" wrote:



wrote in message news:63786a62-815f-4529-93cc-


* a) had the USA not pushed South Korean rocket development North


Korea would not make it such a high priority.


Bull. *They're not aimed at SK; they have enough range to get a third of the
way around the world.


You're not making any sense. You are speakng as if the two sentences
are related somehow. Obviously ANY space capable system is also
capable of hitting targets anywhere on Earth.

Any orbital system is capable of sending payloads anywhere on Earth.
That's the point. That's why WE developed space capability, that's
why the Russians developed space capability, that's why the Chinese
developed space capability - and that's why we should never have
pushed the South Korea to develop their own space launcher.

My point still stands. HAD THE USA NOT PUSHED THE SOUTH TO DEVELOP
THEIR OWN ROCKETS, WE WOULD HAVE HAD CHINESE SUPPORT IN PUTTING
PRESSURE ON THE NORTH TO END THEIR PROGRAM.

You keep ignoring this obvious point.


b) had the USA not pushed South Korean rocket development, China
would have helped us put pressure on North Korea to end its program


In what way did the USA "push" SK towards rocket development?


South Korea first gained experience with missiles provided by the
United States.

http://www.astronautix.com/country/korsouth.htm

KARI began in 1990 to develop its own rockets. It produced the KSR-I
and KSR-II, one and two-stage rockets in the early 1990s.

In December 1997 it began development of a LOX/kerosene rocket engine.
KARI wished to develop satellite launch capability. A test launch of
the KSR-III took place in 2002.

c) had the USA worked more openly with nations to help them orbit
payloads, there would be less incentive to develop their own launchers
- as all space faring nations cooperate to end missile proliferation.


The US does help nations orbit payloads. *Openly. *For that matter, why
doesn't NK use Chinese LVs to launch their satellites?


BECAUSE THE USA IS HELPING SK BUILD ITS OWN LAUNCHER IF THE USA ENDED
THAT PROGRAM THEN CHINA WOULD PUT PRESSURE ON NK TO DO THE SAME.

South Korea turned to Russia to develop its own launcher. *South Korea
decided to speed up development by joining with Russia, and
cooperation began in 2004.
KARI is now developing the Korea Space Launch Vehicle, whose first-
stage is based on the Angara rocket. First launch of the KSLV is
expected in 2009.


Says who? *Cites?


I gave you citations... above

here are more

http://www.kari.re.kr/english/
http://www.kslv.or.kr/

It really helps if you actually read up on a thing before talking
about it.



A deal was also struck on October 24, 2005 to send a Korean into space
aboard a Russian Soyuz spaceflight.
Through the Korean Astronaut Program, Russia has trained two South
Koreans and has sent one (Yi So-yeon) to the International Space
Station in 2008.


That's a long way from developing missile technology.


Duh! That' the pont Alan! The US was pushing to develop an
independent launch capability - which threatens the Chinese and the
North - and so the Chinese help the North devlop their own
capabilities. sheez. The Russians stepped in and did in the South
what WE should have done - but then WE stepped in and helped them with
their first stage engine. Can we really expect the Chinese to back
down at something like that? Hell no.

This whole thing is engineered by the DOD to build support for SDI.
They figure if the banks and the stimulus package are going to be $1
trillion each - they want to get their digs in with a trillion dollar
missile defense system too! That's all this is about - and that's
why we're being such ****s

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Old April 10th 09, 02:46 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Apr 9, 2:28*am, (Derek Lyons) wrote:
"Alan Erskine" wrote:

2 Only a nut would think NK is developing a satellite launch program.


Why wouldn't they?

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ALL SPACE FARING NATIONS DEVELOPED MISSILE CAPABILITIES ALONG WITH
THEIR SPACE LAUNCH CAPABILITIES THEY'RE THE SAME THING!

Speaking as if they're somehow not related is ignorant.

Its the same with nuclear capabilities. All first generation nuclear
power stations have been used to make nuclear materials suitable for a
weapon. Its the same skill set -even though later commercial reactors
are dumbed down.

We need to either sell space launch (or nuclear services) that are non
threatening - or sell parts engineered not to be threatening.

We don't we do it half-assed, to keep the threats alive - otherwise,
why would we need SDI and all the other machinery?

The situation in the Korea's is an excellent case in point. The
development of nuclear capabilities in Pakistan and N. Korea is
another case in point. Ditto in Iran.

The US isn't doing half of what it could do, because it has other fish
to fry - which is too damned bad.
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Old April 10th 09, 02:49 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Apr 9, 3:02*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
(Derek Lyons) wrote:
:"Alan Erskine" wrote:

:
:2 Only a nut would think NK is developing a satellite launch program.
:
:
:Why wouldn't they?
:

More importantly, why WOULD they? *What sort of satellite would be of
use to North Korea that would justify the expense of such a program
and why wouldn't they have someone else put it up for them if there
was such a need?

--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
*man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
*all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --George Bernard Shaw


A North Korean satellite is as important to North Korea as a Russian
satellite was to Russia. Sputnik said to the USA, we can send
warheads anywhere you are. The other uses are secondary at this stage
of their development. That we behaved in a way that focused their
attention on this rather than away from it - by helping the South
threaten China rather than working with China to disarm both - was
stupid and done for very narrow gains while ignoring a larger world
view that is beyond US intelligence and defense thinking.
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Old April 10th 09, 07:47 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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Fred J. McCall wrote:

(Derek Lyons) wrote:

:"Alan Erskine" wrote:
:
:2 Only a nut would think NK is developing a satellite launch program.
:
:Why wouldn't they?

More importantly, why WOULD they?


Dick size if nothing else.

What sort of satellite would be of use to North Korea that would justify
the expense of such a program


Shenzou is of little practical use to the Chinese, ditto ISS and it's
supporting cast of vehicles for a large number of nations...

and why wouldn't they have someone else put it up for them if there
was such a need?


Assuming someone was willing to be publically associated with them.

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wrote in message
...

KARI began in 1990 to develop its own rockets.


what is Kari?



produced the KSR-I
and KSR-II, one and two-stage rockets in the early 1990s.


In December 1997 it began development of a LOX/kerosene rocket engine.
KARI wished to develop satellite launch capability. A test launch of
the KSR-III took place in 2002.


is that a cable company


c) had the USA worked more openly with nations to help them orbit
payloads, there would be less incentive to develop their own launchers
- as all space faring nations cooperate to end missile proliferation.


The US does help nations orbit payloads. Openly. For that matter, why
doesn't NK use Chinese LVs to launch their satellites?


BECAUSE THE USA IS HELPING SK BUILD ITS OWN LAUNCHER IF THE USA ENDED
THAT PROGRAM THEN CHINA WOULD PUT PRESSURE ON NK TO DO THE SAME.



or did you mean AMC


mk5000






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Subject: unintended long arrow


from the ny times in November

The news that the government will not buy soured mortgage assets,
along with a string of poor corporate earnings, disheartened investors
on Wednesday, sending the markets down for a third straight day this
week. The Dow Jones industrial average fell 411.30 points, or 4.7
percent, to close at 8,282.66.

I say: I don't get it. We were supposed to recoup the bailout money
when the mortgage bond market became unfrozen, and they could resell
the bonds to the tune of a very great profit that would more than
compensate the american taxpayer.

I told you they were lying and now I am proved right.
At least with the original plan, there was some glimmer of payback
this however is a hoax and was on day one

"marika" wrote in message
...
well I am glad to see that Kucinich was at least nailing Kashkari. I
don't know what he is doing now but this was good

The fact that he suspects as much as I do is somewhat telling

he got grilled mercilessly in March
Kashkari not Kucinich
with exhortations that he should resign because he has no clue what he
was
doing
good to keep them on their toes
and they should hire me
I would be transformative
and LOOK KUCINICH mentioned the tarp bonus problem way back in November
no one was paying attention


http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Wa...6230441&page=1
Lawmakers Demand to See Bailout Chief
Neel Kashkari to Testify Before Congress on Friday.
By JUSTIN ROOD
November 11, 2008
The Treasury Department's top bailout official will testify before
Congress Friday, after two congressmen wrote to demand he appear.

Assistant Treasury Secretary Neel Kashkari listens on Capitol Hill in
Washington, Thursday, Oct. 23, 2008, during a Senate Banking Committee
hearing on the U.S. financial crisis.
(Gerald Herbert/AP Photo)
The department rejected an earlier request by Reps. Dennis Kucinich,
D-Ohio, and Darrell Issa, R-Calif., for Neel Kashkari, Interim
Assistant Secretary for the Treasury for Financial Stability, to
appear at a hearing slated for Friday, the two lawmakers said.


Kucinich and Issa are the chairman and ranking member of the Domestic
Policy Subcommittee of the House Oversight and Government Reform
Committee, respectively.


Kashkari's appearance is "imperative," the two told Treasury Secretary
Henry M. Paulson, Jr., in a letter dated Tuesday. "There are serious
questions," the duo said, whether the $700 billion Troubled Assets
Relief Program could actually stabilize the economy, as Congress and
the Bush administration intended.

Related
Who's Minding the Bailout?Wall Street Titans Blasted on Capitol
HillComplete Blotter Coverage: Wall Street of Shame
Kashkari testified before a Senate panel late last month. But his
testimony - and subsequent responses from Treasury officials to House
staffers -- were mostly "generalizations," the lawmakers wrote
Paulson.


Kucinich and Issa cited news reports that banks have used some of the
$250 billion from TARP to buy other financial institutions and pay
bonuses - not to make new loans and thaw credit markets, which the
economy needs.


"The time has come for the Treasury Department to speak clearly and
definitively to Congress and the American people about its plans for
the extraordinary sums Congress has authorized," the lawmakers wrote.



 




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