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  #11  
Old March 22nd 09, 02:31 PM posted to alt.astronomy,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
BradGuth
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Default Colonizing space?

On Mar 21, 10:42*pm, American wrote:
On Mar 17, 4:27*pm, BradGuth wrote:



How many more greased pigs do we need in American politics?


Apparently we need one "greased pig" for every 10 of us.


and so 1/10th of the workforce gets represented by 100%
republican/democrat spin which won't represent 99%
of the truth, even at least 50% of the time.


That sounds about right.


(Seems like it's time for a makeover).

Lies upon Lies upon Lies
-------------------------------------

Lie: Bailed-out AIG executives are the only reason that angry
mobs should be directed at the entire AIG fallout (700 Billion) ,
while only 1/10th of 1% of bonuses paid to executives are in the
process of being "accused".

Lie: Barrack Obama never said that there would be a limiting of
"earmarks" on any of pending or enacted legislation.

Lie: Sec'ty of Treasury Gytner didn't know about AIG
bailouts more than three weeks ago, when the offer to
"punish" those who took advantage of bonus money that was
the result of the stimulus recommended by socialist democrats.

Lie: Preventing abortions is less important than supporting illegal
aliens, who would represent larger voting blocs of welfare
recipients in a society of anti-capitalists.

Lie: Government must enlarge itself in order to create markets
for windmills, "green" cars, and more environmental regulation in
order to expand the welfare state, anti-capitalism, and isolationism.

Lie: The Constitution does not deny legislative authority by
Congress. Any act of Congress is constitutional as long as it
is made in the interests of the State.

Lie: All Acts of Congress are legally enforcable representations
of the president's desires. It is hypocritical to claim allegiance
and
be unwilling to accept presidential wishes enacted by Congress.
Submission and allegiance are synonymous.

Lie: Refusal to accept Congressional legislation is in itself open
rebellion. Intimidations of the IRS justify military occupation.

Lie: The purpose of taxation is not political control but, rather,
economic security for the bureaucracy.

We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
-----------------------------------------------------------

Truth: Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

Truth: It is unconstitutional for either the president or congress
to make laws (other than trade regulations) for us. When
congressional legislation threatens our ability to make an
honest living, we will protest and resist.

Truth: The president has only executive authority. He can
exercise executive powers and executive influence but cannot
originate legislation.

Truth: If local authority can become counteracted by congres-
sionally enforced taxation, the bureaucracy intends to make
us all slaves.

Truth: It's high time that the perception of all bureaucratic,
big-government centralists who operate out of their so-
called "transparent" Washington, D.C. glass houses, should
be recognized for the stench of compost that they've inherited
by their own actions in misrepresenting revolutionary, free
market technology.

Truth: When the political factor overrides the intelligence factor
throughout the land, *then the mob mentality encompasses more
large groups of curious but uninformed status quo, who, because
of 1/10th of all the workforce throughout America (bureaucrats)
being represented by 100% of the political republican/democrat
media spin - spin that can never represent the other 99.9% of the
truth, and who assume by their own misled ignorance (or arrogance),
that certain scapegoats, who become framed by this "one trick
pony" administration, must become targeted as the preferred
focal point - scapegoats who represent *only 0.1% of all bonuses
paid throughout the AGI complex of all bonuses paid to receivers
of bailout funds, yet wrongfully creating the accusation on a single
(or group of single) executives - executives that are being made as
the culprits for the hidden and self-perpetuating reason of
administrative anarchy-gone-populist - this being done through-
out the listening and viewing "prime time" malframed land of
fawning presidential media, especially as it becomes impossible
for an administration of this kind to potentate some witch-hunt on
accusation of snobbery on every single bundle of aristocratic
"wheat" in assuming that there exists only a single "tare"
amongst them.

Truth: In Communist and Socialist nations, individuals are guilty
until proven innocent. In free societies, there can be no such thing
as guilt without burden of proof. Such laws are rooted in positive
law.


Will, our supposed legal system isn't exactly as it should be, and our
government is always pulling whatever strings their faith-based puppet
masters are not pulling.


Idealistically, there would be no clear distinction between classes of
people, because all people would live their lives under positive law,
and would have the ability to transform themselves with the renewing
of their minds - AS THE KNOWLEDGE BECOMES AVAILABLE
TO THEM.

All everyone has to do is to believe that "... the one who is in you,
is
greater than the one who is in the world". (1 John 4:4) - and a way
is
made to access that knowledge, so that one may bear much (spiritual)
fruit according to the spiritual knowledge that God has blessed
them with.

In such an idealistic nation, the social structure takes care of
itself.

THERE IS NO NEED TO POLICE HUMAN BEHAVIOR because
all actions by groups of believers are made for the enhancement
of the entire group.


But faith-based groups simply do not police their own kind, not to
mention the political favoritism such as our SEC approved Ponzi
Mafoff.


IMO these kinds of groups that can think for themselves are not
being influenced by popular mass media, and they can exercise
their own personal freedom and personal privacy by freedom from
interference of intrusive government, overtaxation, and urban
sprawl. They are, and will always be, the most important part of
an America that believes in themselves - rather than having those
in the bureaucracy do it for them.

American


I'm all for self-investing and for policing of your own kind, starting
at home. All kids need to have parents and/or guardians that'll kick
serious butt whenever it's necessary. Regardless, some of us are
still going to make honest mistakes, while others are only going to be
lost causes.

~ BG

  #12  
Old March 24th 09, 07:45 AM posted to alt.astronomy,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
American
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,224
Default Colonizing space?

On Mar 22, 9:31*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Mar 21, 10:42*pm, American wrote:

On Mar 17, 4:27*pm, BradGuth wrote:


How many more greased pigs do we need in American politics?


Apparently we need one "greased pig" for every 10 of us.


and so 1/10th of the workforce gets represented by 100%
republican/democrat spin which won't represent 99%
of the truth, even at least 50% of the time.


That sounds about right.







(Seems like it's time for a makeover).


Lies upon Lies upon Lies
-------------------------------------


Lie: Bailed-out AIG executives are the only reason that angry
mobs should be directed at the entire AIG fallout (700 Billion) ,
while only 1/10th of 1% of bonuses paid to executives are in the
process of being "accused".


Lie: Barrack Obama never said that there would be a limiting of
"earmarks" on any of pending or enacted legislation.


Lie: Sec'ty of Treasury Gytner didn't know about AIG
bailouts more than three weeks ago, when the offer to
"punish" those who took advantage of bonus money that was
the result of the stimulus recommended by socialist democrats.


Lie: Preventing abortions is less important than supporting illegal
aliens, who would represent larger voting blocs of welfare
recipients in a society of anti-capitalists.


Lie: Government must enlarge itself in order to create markets
for windmills, "green" cars, and more environmental regulation in
order to expand the welfare state, anti-capitalism, and isolationism.


Lie: The Constitution does not deny legislative authority by
Congress. Any act of Congress is constitutional as long as it
is made in the interests of the State.


Lie: All Acts of Congress are legally enforcable representations
of the president's desires. It is hypocritical to claim allegiance
and
be unwilling to accept presidential wishes enacted by Congress.
Submission and allegiance are synonymous.


Lie: Refusal to accept Congressional legislation is in itself open
rebellion. Intimidations of the IRS justify military occupation.


Lie: The purpose of taxation is not political control but, rather,
economic security for the bureaucracy.


We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
-----------------------------------------------------------


Truth: Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness


Truth: It is unconstitutional for either the president or congress
to make laws (other than trade regulations) for us. When
congressional legislation threatens our ability to make an
honest living, we will protest and resist.


Truth: The president has only executive authority. He can
exercise executive powers and executive influence but cannot
originate legislation.


Truth: If local authority can become counteracted by congres-
sionally enforced taxation, the bureaucracy intends to make
us all slaves.


Truth: It's high time that the perception of all bureaucratic,
big-government centralists who operate out of their so-
called "transparent" Washington, D.C. glass houses, should
be recognized for the stench of compost that they've inherited
by their own actions in misrepresenting revolutionary, free
market technology.


Truth: When the political factor overrides the intelligence factor
throughout the land, *then the mob mentality encompasses more
large groups of curious but uninformed status quo, who, because
of 1/10th of all the workforce throughout America (bureaucrats)
being represented by 100% of the political republican/democrat
media spin - spin that can never represent the other 99.9% of the
truth, and who assume by their own misled ignorance (or arrogance),
that certain scapegoats, who become framed by this "one trick
pony" administration, must become targeted as the preferred
focal point - scapegoats who represent *only 0.1% of all bonuses
paid throughout the AGI complex of all bonuses paid to receivers
of bailout funds, yet wrongfully creating the accusation on a single
(or group of single) executives - executives that are being made as
the culprits for the hidden and self-perpetuating reason of
administrative anarchy-gone-populist - this being done through-
out the listening and viewing "prime time" malframed land of
fawning presidential media, especially as it becomes impossible
for an administration of this kind to potentate some witch-hunt on
accusation of snobbery on every single bundle of aristocratic
"wheat" in assuming that there exists only a single "tare"
amongst them.


Truth: In Communist and Socialist nations, individuals are guilty
until proven innocent. In free societies, there can be no such thing
as guilt without burden of proof. Such laws are rooted in positive
law.


Will, our supposed legal system isn't exactly as it should be, and our
government is always pulling whatever strings their faith-based puppet
masters are not pulling.







Idealistically, there would be no clear distinction between classes of
people, because all people would live their lives under positive law,
and would have the ability to transform themselves with the renewing
of their minds - AS THE KNOWLEDGE BECOMES AVAILABLE
TO THEM.


All everyone has to do is to believe that "... the one who is in you,
is
greater than the one who is in the world". (1 John 4:4) - and a way
is
made to access that knowledge, so that one may bear much (spiritual)
fruit according to the spiritual knowledge that God has blessed
them with.


In such an idealistic nation, the social structure takes care of
itself.


THERE IS NO NEED TO POLICE HUMAN BEHAVIOR because
all actions by groups of believers are made for the enhancement
of the entire group.


But faith-based groups simply do not police their own kind, not to
mention the political favoritism such as our SEC approved Ponzi
Mafoff.



IMO these kinds of groups that can think for themselves are not
being influenced by popular mass media, and they can exercise
their own personal freedom and personal privacy by freedom from
interference of intrusive government, overtaxation, and urban
sprawl. They are, and will always be, the most important part of
an America that believes in themselves - rather than having those
in the bureaucracy do it for them.


American


I'm all for self-investing and for policing of your own kind, starting
at home. *All kids need to have parents and/or guardians that'll kick
serious butt whenever it's necessary. *Regardless, some of us are
still going to make honest mistakes, while others are only going to be
lost causes.

*~ BG- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Funny... some think that God has a mother, because ".. In the
beginning was the Word (or Mary, who the idol worshippers
say is the mother of God). Thus we have the nanny-state, or
even the Mary-state, as a cover for the sins of abortionists,
brought to you by the people's choice - like people who
endorse the liberal theology of Speaker of the House Pelosi,
who might as well be Mother Divine, who in Indian tradition,
directs human evolution, by raising the Buddhic state of
consciousness to a new level of "renaissance".

There is no alternative to open rebellion using abortion
as an alternative (Lilith) to "Mary worship". Institutional-
ized "Mary worship" will never be able to help the mothers
of America - more working men that have respectable, future-
driven technology will revolutionize industry, whether the
mandarins of Congress approve or not.

Unfortunately, this does absolutely nothing for the world
to come for any kind of revelatory scientific intuition,
because the reasonable, analytical knowledge of men gets
erased with the worship of conception as the ultimate
symbolism over substance, for which there can be no leading
of the spirit out of the ensuing chaos and insurrection
of the Mandarins.

The country as a whole needs to pray for the working mother.
It's real MOTHERS that this country lacks, NOT Nancy Pelosi.

This is how far the antiquated, bureaucratic establishment
of monopolies has taken us - the need to express our
righteous indignation over the prevailing science has never
been more severe.


American

"The incantation for a spiritual healing to be effective
must include the name of the ailing person's mother."

- (Shabb. 66b)
  #13  
Old March 26th 09, 03:14 AM posted to alt.astronomy,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
BradGuth
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 21,544
Default Colonizing space?

On Mar 23, 10:45*pm, American wrote:
On Mar 22, 9:31*am, BradGuth wrote:



On Mar 21, 10:42*pm, American wrote:


On Mar 17, 4:27*pm, BradGuth wrote:


How many more greased pigs do we need in American politics?


Apparently we need one "greased pig" for every 10 of us.


and so 1/10th of the workforce gets represented by 100%
republican/democrat spin which won't represent 99%
of the truth, even at least 50% of the time.


That sounds about right.


(Seems like it's time for a makeover).


Lies upon Lies upon Lies
-------------------------------------


Lie: Bailed-out AIG executives are the only reason that angry
mobs should be directed at the entire AIG fallout (700 Billion) ,
while only 1/10th of 1% of bonuses paid to executives are in the
process of being "accused".


Lie: Barrack Obama never said that there would be a limiting of
"earmarks" on any of pending or enacted legislation.


Lie: Sec'ty of Treasury Gytner didn't know about AIG
bailouts more than three weeks ago, when the offer to
"punish" those who took advantage of bonus money that was
the result of the stimulus recommended by socialist democrats.


Lie: Preventing abortions is less important than supporting illegal
aliens, who would represent larger voting blocs of welfare
recipients in a society of anti-capitalists.


Lie: Government must enlarge itself in order to create markets
for windmills, "green" cars, and more environmental regulation in
order to expand the welfare state, anti-capitalism, and isolationism.


Lie: The Constitution does not deny legislative authority by
Congress. Any act of Congress is constitutional as long as it
is made in the interests of the State.


Lie: All Acts of Congress are legally enforcable representations
of the president's desires. It is hypocritical to claim allegiance
and
be unwilling to accept presidential wishes enacted by Congress.
Submission and allegiance are synonymous.


Lie: Refusal to accept Congressional legislation is in itself open
rebellion. Intimidations of the IRS justify military occupation.


Lie: The purpose of taxation is not political control but, rather,
economic security for the bureaucracy.


We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
-----------------------------------------------------------


Truth: Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness


Truth: It is unconstitutional for either the president or congress
to make laws (other than trade regulations) for us. When
congressional legislation threatens our ability to make an
honest living, we will protest and resist.


Truth: The president has only executive authority. He can
exercise executive powers and executive influence but cannot
originate legislation.


Truth: If local authority can become counteracted by congres-
sionally enforced taxation, the bureaucracy intends to make
us all slaves.


Truth: It's high time that the perception of all bureaucratic,
big-government centralists who operate out of their so-
called "transparent" Washington, D.C. glass houses, should
be recognized for the stench of compost that they've inherited
by their own actions in misrepresenting revolutionary, free
market technology.


Truth: When the political factor overrides the intelligence factor
throughout the land, *then the mob mentality encompasses more
large groups of curious but uninformed status quo, who, because
of 1/10th of all the workforce throughout America (bureaucrats)
being represented by 100% of the political republican/democrat
media spin - spin that can never represent the other 99.9% of the
truth, and who assume by their own misled ignorance (or arrogance),
that certain scapegoats, who become framed by this "one trick
pony" administration, must become targeted as the preferred
focal point - scapegoats who represent *only 0.1% of all bonuses
paid throughout the AGI complex of all bonuses paid to receivers
of bailout funds, yet wrongfully creating the accusation on a single
(or group of single) executives - executives that are being made as
the culprits for the hidden and self-perpetuating reason of
administrative anarchy-gone-populist - this being done through-
out the listening and viewing "prime time" malframed land of
fawning presidential media, especially as it becomes impossible
for an administration of this kind to potentate some witch-hunt on
accusation of snobbery on every single bundle of aristocratic
"wheat" in assuming that there exists only a single "tare"
amongst them.


Truth: In Communist and Socialist nations, individuals are guilty
until proven innocent. In free societies, there can be no such thing
as guilt without burden of proof. Such laws are rooted in positive
law.


Will, our supposed legal system isn't exactly as it should be, and our
government is always pulling whatever strings their faith-based puppet
masters are not pulling.


Idealistically, there would be no clear distinction between classes of
people, because all people would live their lives under positive law,
and would have the ability to transform themselves with the renewing
of their minds - AS THE KNOWLEDGE BECOMES AVAILABLE
TO THEM.


All everyone has to do is to believe that "... the one who is in you,
is
greater than the one who is in the world". (1 John 4:4) - and a way
is
made to access that knowledge, so that one may bear much (spiritual)
fruit according to the spiritual knowledge that God has blessed
them with.


In such an idealistic nation, the social structure takes care of
itself.


THERE IS NO NEED TO POLICE HUMAN BEHAVIOR because
all actions by groups of believers are made for the enhancement
of the entire group.


But faith-based groups simply do not police their own kind, not to
mention the political favoritism such as our SEC approved Ponzi
Mafoff.


IMO these kinds of groups that can think for themselves are not
being influenced by popular mass media, and they can exercise
their own personal freedom and personal privacy by freedom from
interference of intrusive government, overtaxation, and urban
sprawl. They are, and will always be, the most important part of
an America that believes in themselves - rather than having those
in the bureaucracy do it for them.


American


I'm all for self-investing and for policing of your own kind, starting
at home. *All kids need to have parents and/or guardians that'll kick
serious butt whenever it's necessary. *Regardless, some of us are
still going to make honest mistakes, while others are only going to be
lost causes.


*~ BG- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Funny... some think that God has a mother, because ".. In the
beginning was the Word (or Mary, who the idol worshippers
say is the mother of God). Thus we have the nanny-state, or
even the Mary-state, as a cover for the sins of abortionists,
brought to you by the people's choice - like people who
endorse the liberal theology of Speaker of the House Pelosi,
who might as well be Mother Divine, who in Indian tradition,
directs human evolution, by raising the Buddhic state of
consciousness to a new level of "renaissance".

There is no alternative to open rebellion using abortion
as an alternative (Lilith) to "Mary worship". Institutional-
ized "Mary worship" will never be able to help the mothers
of America - more working men that have respectable, future-
driven technology will revolutionize industry, whether the
mandarins of Congress approve or not.

Unfortunately, this does absolutely nothing for the world
to come for any kind of revelatory scientific intuition,
because the reasonable, analytical knowledge of men gets
erased with the worship of conception as the ultimate
symbolism over substance, for which there can be no leading
of the spirit out of the ensuing chaos and insurrection
of the Mandarins.

The country as a whole needs to pray for the working mother.
It's real MOTHERS that this country lacks, NOT Nancy Pelosi.

This is how far the antiquated, bureaucratic establishment
of monopolies has taken us - the need to express our
righteous indignation over the prevailing science has never
been more severe.

American

*"The incantation for a spiritual healing to be effective
*must include the name of the ailing person's mother."

*- (Shabb. 66b)


99.9% of Google Groups (aka Usenet/newsgroups) are pretend-Atheists,
so pretty much anything you have to say (good or bad) about God or his/
her followers doesn't matter.

How far would Hitler have gotten without the divine help of the
Zionist God?

How far would our previous LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) have gotten without
his trusty faith-based army of born-again minions?

~ BG
  #14  
Old April 2nd 09, 09:07 PM posted to alt.astronomy,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
American
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,224
Default Colonizing space?

On Mar 25, 10:14*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Mar 23, 10:45*pm, American wrote:





On Mar 22, 9:31*am, BradGuth wrote:


On Mar 21, 10:42*pm, American wrote:


On Mar 17, 4:27*pm, BradGuth wrote:


How many more greased pigs do we need in American politics?


Apparently we need one "greased pig" for every 10 of us.


and so 1/10th of the workforce gets represented by 100%
republican/democrat spin which won't represent 99%
of the truth, even at least 50% of the time.


That sounds about right.


(Seems like it's time for a makeover).


Lies upon Lies upon Lies
-------------------------------------


Lie: Bailed-out AIG executives are the only reason that angry
mobs should be directed at the entire AIG fallout (700 Billion) ,
while only 1/10th of 1% of bonuses paid to executives are in the
process of being "accused".


Lie: Barrack Obama never said that there would be a limiting of
"earmarks" on any of pending or enacted legislation.


Lie: Sec'ty of Treasury Gytner didn't know about AIG
bailouts more than three weeks ago, when the offer to
"punish" those who took advantage of bonus money that was
the result of the stimulus recommended by socialist democrats.


Lie: Preventing abortions is less important than supporting illegal
aliens, who would represent larger voting blocs of welfare
recipients in a society of anti-capitalists.


Lie: Government must enlarge itself in order to create markets
for windmills, "green" cars, and more environmental regulation in
order to expand the welfare state, anti-capitalism, and isolationism.


Lie: The Constitution does not deny legislative authority by
Congress. Any act of Congress is constitutional as long as it
is made in the interests of the State.


Lie: All Acts of Congress are legally enforcable representations
of the president's desires. It is hypocritical to claim allegiance
and
be unwilling to accept presidential wishes enacted by Congress.
Submission and allegiance are synonymous.


Lie: Refusal to accept Congressional legislation is in itself open
rebellion. Intimidations of the IRS justify military occupation.


Lie: The purpose of taxation is not political control but, rather,
economic security for the bureaucracy.


We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
-----------------------------------------------------------


Truth: Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness


Truth: It is unconstitutional for either the president or congress
to make laws (other than trade regulations) for us. When
congressional legislation threatens our ability to make an
honest living, we will protest and resist.


Truth: The president has only executive authority. He can
exercise executive powers and executive influence but cannot
originate legislation.


Truth: If local authority can become counteracted by congres-
sionally enforced taxation, the bureaucracy intends to make
us all slaves.


Truth: It's high time that the perception of all bureaucratic,
big-government centralists who operate out of their so-
called "transparent" Washington, D.C. glass houses, should
be recognized for the stench of compost that they've inherited
by their own actions in misrepresenting revolutionary, free
market technology.


Truth: When the political factor overrides the intelligence factor
throughout the land, *then the mob mentality encompasses more
large groups of curious but uninformed status quo, who, because
of 1/10th of all the workforce throughout America (bureaucrats)
being represented by 100% of the political republican/democrat
media spin - spin that can never represent the other 99.9% of the
truth, and who assume by their own misled ignorance (or arrogance),
that certain scapegoats, who become framed by this "one trick
pony" administration, must become targeted as the preferred
focal point - scapegoats who represent *only 0.1% of all bonuses
paid throughout the AGI complex of all bonuses paid to receivers
of bailout funds, yet wrongfully creating the accusation on a single
(or group of single) executives - executives that are being made as
the culprits for the hidden and self-perpetuating reason of
administrative anarchy-gone-populist - this being done through-
out the listening and viewing "prime time" malframed land of
fawning presidential media, especially as it becomes impossible
for an administration of this kind to potentate some witch-hunt on
accusation of snobbery on every single bundle of aristocratic
"wheat" in assuming that there exists only a single "tare"
amongst them.


Truth: In Communist and Socialist nations, individuals are guilty
until proven innocent. In free societies, there can be no such thing
as guilt without burden of proof. Such laws are rooted in positive
law.


Will, our supposed legal system isn't exactly as it should be, and our
government is always pulling whatever strings their faith-based puppet
masters are not pulling.


Idealistically, there would be no clear distinction between classes of
people, because all people would live their lives under positive law,
and would have the ability to transform themselves with the renewing
of their minds - AS THE KNOWLEDGE BECOMES AVAILABLE
TO THEM.


All everyone has to do is to believe that "... the one who is in you,
is
greater than the one who is in the world". (1 John 4:4) - and a way
is
made to access that knowledge, so that one may bear much (spiritual)
fruit according to the spiritual knowledge that God has blessed
them with.


In such an idealistic nation, the social structure takes care of
itself.


THERE IS NO NEED TO POLICE HUMAN BEHAVIOR because
all actions by groups of believers are made for the enhancement
of the entire group.


But faith-based groups simply do not police their own kind, not to
mention the political favoritism such as our SEC approved Ponzi
Mafoff.


IMO these kinds of groups that can think for themselves are not
being influenced by popular mass media, and they can exercise
their own personal freedom and personal privacy by freedom from
interference of intrusive government, overtaxation, and urban
sprawl. They are, and will always be, the most important part of
an America that believes in themselves - rather than having those
in the bureaucracy do it for them.


American


I'm all for self-investing and for policing of your own kind, starting
at home. *All kids need to have parents and/or guardians that'll kick
serious butt whenever it's necessary. *Regardless, some of us are
still going to make honest mistakes, while others are only going to be
lost causes.


*~ BG- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Funny... some think that God has a mother, because ".. In the
beginning was the Word (or Mary, who the idol worshippers
say is the mother of God). Thus we have the nanny-state, or
even the Mary-state, as a cover for the sins of abortionists,
brought to you by the people's choice - like people who
endorse the liberal theology of Speaker of the House Pelosi,
who might as well be Mother Divine, who in Indian tradition,
directs human evolution, by raising the Buddhic state of
consciousness to a new level of "renaissance".


There is no alternative to open rebellion using abortion
as an alternative (Lilith) to "Mary worship". Institutional-
ized "Mary worship" will never be able to help the mothers
of America - more working men that have respectable, future-
driven technology will revolutionize industry, whether the
mandarins of Congress approve or not.


Unfortunately, this does absolutely nothing for the world
to come for any kind of revelatory scientific intuition,
because the reasonable, analytical knowledge of men gets
erased with the worship of conception as the ultimate
symbolism over substance, for which there can be no leading
of the spirit out of the ensuing chaos and insurrection
of the Mandarins.


The country as a whole needs to pray for the working mother.
It's real MOTHERS that this country lacks, NOT Nancy Pelosi.


This is how far the antiquated, bureaucratic establishment
of monopolies has taken us - the need to express our
righteous indignation over the prevailing science has never
been more severe.


American


*"The incantation for a spiritual healing to be effective
*must include the name of the ailing person's mother."


*- (Shabb. 66b)


99.9% of Google Groups (aka Usenet/newsgroups) are pretend-Atheists,
so pretty much anything you have to say (good or bad) about God or his/
her followers doesn't matter.

How far would Hitler have gotten without the divine help of the
Zionist God?

How far would our previous LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) have gotten without
his trusty faith-based army of born-again minions?

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: 99.9% of Google Groups (aka Usenet/newsgroups) are pretend-
: Atheists, so pretty much anything you have to say (good or bad)
: about God or his/her followers doesn't matter.

Oh, so carnality is more important here? If that's the case then
negative law must openly tout its overriding principle in pro-
tecting the sinner's rights by replacing a blood covenant with
religious freedom for all of humanities good and evil intentions.

In other words, the good get better at spiritual things while the
evil wax great with more massive fraud and manipulation.

Methinks "magic" will win out over the *evil* manipulators.

: How far would Hitler have gotten without the divine help of the
: Zionist God?

As far as he did, which was almost as far as the A-Bomb, minus
a few months of cozily coddled science for his Third Reich,
except that Hitler became much intellectually out-capitalized
as far as the geographical migration of Mr. Albert Einstein was
concerned, which took him from Germany to Princeton, where
he wrote a letter to then president Franklin D. Roosevelt about
the powerful bombs that might be constructed from the chain
reaction in uranium.

: How far would our previous LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) have
: gotten without his trusty faith-based army of born-again
: minions?

As far as he did, which was as far as to follow his puppetmasters
all the way to the NWO, give or take a few presidents or nations,
which really doesn't count for much, unless you're of the kind
which needs more world central planning (that makes no person
better or worse than a species of subhuman - give or take a
few bailouts).

: ~ BG

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Old April 2nd 09, 10:25 PM posted to alt.astronomy,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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On Apr 2, 12:07*pm, American wrote:
On Mar 25, 10:14*pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Mar 23, 10:45*pm, American wrote:


On Mar 22, 9:31*am, BradGuth wrote:


On Mar 21, 10:42*pm, American wrote:


On Mar 17, 4:27*pm, BradGuth wrote:


How many more greased pigs do we need in American politics?


Apparently we need one "greased pig" for every 10 of us.


and so 1/10th of the workforce gets represented by 100%
republican/democrat spin which won't represent 99%
of the truth, even at least 50% of the time.


That sounds about right.


(Seems like it's time for a makeover).


Lies upon Lies upon Lies
-------------------------------------


Lie: Bailed-out AIG executives are the only reason that angry
mobs should be directed at the entire AIG fallout (700 Billion) ,
while only 1/10th of 1% of bonuses paid to executives are in the
process of being "accused".


Lie: Barrack Obama never said that there would be a limiting of
"earmarks" on any of pending or enacted legislation.


Lie: Sec'ty of Treasury Gytner didn't know about AIG
bailouts more than three weeks ago, when the offer to
"punish" those who took advantage of bonus money that was
the result of the stimulus recommended by socialist democrats.


Lie: Preventing abortions is less important than supporting illegal
aliens, who would represent larger voting blocs of welfare
recipients in a society of anti-capitalists.


Lie: Government must enlarge itself in order to create markets
for windmills, "green" cars, and more environmental regulation in
order to expand the welfare state, anti-capitalism, and isolationism.


Lie: The Constitution does not deny legislative authority by
Congress. Any act of Congress is constitutional as long as it
is made in the interests of the State.


Lie: All Acts of Congress are legally enforcable representations
of the president's desires. It is hypocritical to claim allegiance
and
be unwilling to accept presidential wishes enacted by Congress.
Submission and allegiance are synonymous.


Lie: Refusal to accept Congressional legislation is in itself open
rebellion. Intimidations of the IRS justify military occupation.


Lie: The purpose of taxation is not political control but, rather,
economic security for the bureaucracy.


We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
-----------------------------------------------------------


Truth: Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness


Truth: It is unconstitutional for either the president or congress
to make laws (other than trade regulations) for us. When
congressional legislation threatens our ability to make an
honest living, we will protest and resist.


Truth: The president has only executive authority. He can
exercise executive powers and executive influence but cannot
originate legislation.


Truth: If local authority can become counteracted by congres-
sionally enforced taxation, the bureaucracy intends to make
us all slaves.


Truth: It's high time that the perception of all bureaucratic,
big-government centralists who operate out of their so-
called "transparent" Washington, D.C. glass houses, should
be recognized for the stench of compost that they've inherited
by their own actions in misrepresenting revolutionary, free
market technology.


Truth: When the political factor overrides the intelligence factor
throughout the land, *then the mob mentality encompasses more
large groups of curious but uninformed status quo, who, because
of 1/10th of all the workforce throughout America (bureaucrats)
being represented by 100% of the political republican/democrat
media spin - spin that can never represent the other 99.9% of the
truth, and who assume by their own misled ignorance (or arrogance),
that certain scapegoats, who become framed by this "one trick
pony" administration, must become targeted as the preferred
focal point - scapegoats who represent *only 0.1% of all bonuses
paid throughout the AGI complex of all bonuses paid to receivers
of bailout funds, yet wrongfully creating the accusation on a single
(or group of single) executives - executives that are being made as
the culprits for the hidden and self-perpetuating reason of
administrative anarchy-gone-populist - this being done through-
out the listening and viewing "prime time" malframed land of
fawning presidential media, especially as it becomes impossible
for an administration of this kind to potentate some witch-hunt on
accusation of snobbery on every single bundle of aristocratic
"wheat" in assuming that there exists only a single "tare"
amongst them.


Truth: In Communist and Socialist nations, individuals are guilty
until proven innocent. In free societies, there can be no such thing
as guilt without burden of proof. Such laws are rooted in positive
law.


Will, our supposed legal system isn't exactly as it should be, and our
government is always pulling whatever strings their faith-based puppet
masters are not pulling.


Idealistically, there would be no clear distinction between classes of
people, because all people would live their lives under positive law,
and would have the ability to transform themselves with the renewing
of their minds - AS THE KNOWLEDGE BECOMES AVAILABLE
TO THEM.


All everyone has to do is to believe that "... the one who is in you,
is
greater than the one who is in the world". (1 John 4:4) - and a way
is
made to access that knowledge, so that one may bear much (spiritual)
fruit according to the spiritual knowledge that God has blessed
them with.


In such an idealistic nation, the social structure takes care of
itself.


THERE IS NO NEED TO POLICE HUMAN BEHAVIOR because
all actions by groups of believers are made for the enhancement
of the entire group.


But faith-based groups simply do not police their own kind, not to
mention the political favoritism such as our SEC approved Ponzi
Mafoff.


IMO these kinds of groups that can think for themselves are not
being influenced by popular mass media, and they can exercise
their own personal freedom and personal privacy by freedom from
interference of intrusive government, overtaxation, and urban
sprawl. They are, and will always be, the most important part of
an America that believes in themselves - rather than having those
in the bureaucracy do it for them.


American


I'm all for self-investing and for policing of your own kind, starting
at home. *All kids need to have parents and/or guardians that'll kick
serious butt whenever it's necessary. *Regardless, some of us are
still going to make honest mistakes, while others are only going to be
lost causes.


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Funny... some think that God has a mother, because ".. In the
beginning was the Word (or Mary, who the idol worshippers
say is the mother of God). Thus we have the nanny-state, or
even the Mary-state, as a cover for the sins of abortionists,
brought to you by the people's choice - like people who
endorse the liberal theology of Speaker of the House Pelosi,
who might as well be Mother Divine, who in Indian tradition,
directs human evolution, by raising the Buddhic state of
consciousness to a new level of "renaissance".


There is no alternative to open rebellion using abortion
as an alternative (Lilith) to "Mary worship". Institutional-
ized "Mary worship" will never be able to help the mothers
of America - more working men that have respectable, future-
driven technology will revolutionize industry, whether the
mandarins of Congress approve or not.


Unfortunately, this does absolutely nothing for the world
to come for any kind of revelatory scientific intuition,
because the reasonable, analytical knowledge of men gets
erased with the worship of conception as the ultimate
symbolism over substance, for which there can be no leading
of the spirit out of the ensuing chaos and insurrection
of the Mandarins.


The country as a whole needs to pray for the working mother.
It's real MOTHERS that this country lacks, NOT Nancy Pelosi.


This is how far the antiquated, bureaucratic establishment
of monopolies has taken us - the need to express our
righteous indignation over the prevailing science has never
been more severe.


American


*"The incantation for a spiritual healing to be effective
*must include the name of the ailing person's mother."


*- (Shabb. 66b)


99.9% of Google Groups (aka Usenet/newsgroups) are pretend-Atheists,
so pretty much anything you have to say (good or bad) about God or his/
her followers doesn't matter.


How far would Hitler have gotten without the divine help of the
Zionist God?


How far would our previous LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) have gotten without
his trusty faith-based army of born-again minions?


*~ BG- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


: 99.9% of Google Groups (aka Usenet/newsgroups) are pretend-
: Atheists, so pretty much anything you have to say (good or bad)
: about God or his/her followers doesn't matter.

Oh, so carnality is more important here? If that's the case then
negative law must openly tout its overriding principle in pro-
tecting the sinner's rights by replacing a blood covenant with
religious freedom for all of humanities good and evil intentions.

In other words, the good get better at spiritual things while the
evil wax great with more massive fraud and manipulation.

Methinks "magic" will win out over the *evil* manipulators.

: How far would Hitler have gotten without the divine help of the
: Zionist God?

As far as he did, which was almost as far as the A-Bomb, minus
a few months of cozily coddled science for his Third Reich,
except that Hitler became much intellectually out-capitalized
as far as the geographical migration of Mr. Albert Einstein was
concerned, which took him from Germany to Princeton, where
he wrote a letter to then president Franklin D. Roosevelt about
the powerful bombs that might be constructed from the chain
reaction in uranium.


Hitler was a poorly trained artist, had practically no knowledge of
physics or science, and much less expertise in global domination.

Why exactly are you into protecting those faith-based butts and
Zionist ****ologist?

Are you suggesting his vast expertise in most everything under the sun
came via Atheists, and from Mars none the less?

Are you actually suggesting that only the poor German Atheists were
educated in physics, biology, advanced chemistry and science?


: How far would our previous LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) have
: gotten without his trusty faith-based army of born-again
: minions?

As far as he did, which was as far as to follow his puppetmasters
all the way to the NWO, give or take a few presidents or nations,
which really doesn't count for much, unless you're of the kind
which needs more world central planning (that makes no person
better or worse than a species of subhuman - give or take a
few bailouts).


You are a great kidder, and otherwise a perfectly fine upstanding
example of doing whatever it takes for protecting the most guilty and
defending their mainstream status quo of denial and obfuscation
policy, as though it were on steroids that you provided.

You're obvious bipolar as hell to boot.

~ BG
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Old April 3rd 09, 06:08 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Mar 19, 10:44*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Mar 18, 11:56*am, wrote:



Umm... ridding the world of nuclear materials and nuclear weapons
improves life on Earth.


For the most part that true, although it would be a shame not to use
our fair share of thorium for the clean energy that it can deliver.


Thorium is a minor constituent at best, and would supply very little
power - while perpetuating a system that continues at great risk to
public safety. Best to rid the world of ALL nuclear materials and
place ALL nuclear materials under international control whose only use
is space propulsion and space power - with rockets stationed on the
lunar surface, and the only nuclear research is done on the moon's
surface.



Using nuclear pulse engines built around old weapons materials to
orbit large solar power satellites that beam infrared laser energy to
users anywhere on demand, improves life on Earth, by lowering the cost
of energy, making energy more widely available and more abundant, and
ending the endless pollution of our air b ending the use of
conventional fuels.


Can't argue against that, except we don't have another century to
wait.


What makes you think it would take a century? Classified reports as
early as 1955 showed these vehicles could be built within 5 years of
the decision to do so. We could build the fleet of 200 ships each
50,000 ton payload capacity in this time frame - all that is required
is the will to do it.



Putting in place a large network of multi-point comsats to turn the
world into a global wireless hotspot, that supports billions of
biometric and VR signalling channels, does the same thing. *Humanoid
robots like ASIMO work anywhere driven by workers who live anywhere -
this immediately improves life on Earth by providing meaningful and
profitable work for all.


Again, if we manage to survive the next century and you manage to pull
everything off without a hitch.


Once the rockets are available putting up the satellites is easy.
Mass producing 600 satellites over the same 5 year period is easy. At
20 tonnes each that's 12,000 tonnes - less than 1/4 the lift capacity
of a single 50,000 ton ship. The network would be put up as part of a
shakedown cruise of the first ship sometime 3 to 4 years from the
start of the project.



Capturing rich asteroids, using nuclear pulse techniques to bring them
into Earth orbit, and using nuclear pulse lifters to place significant
remotely controlled factories on them to manufacture stuff and deliver
it anwhere its needed on Earth at extremely low cost - dramatically
improves life on Earth.


Now you're talking of multiple centuries from now,


Why do you say that? It takes a nuclear pulse ship less than 90 days
to cruise to any point inside the orbit of Jupiter. Over the 5 year
period of construction and development, smaller survey ships are
built, along with sensor satellites to survey all the small bodies of
the solar system. The richest of these will have been identified and
recovery techniques worked out and ready when the first ships are
ready. A minimum energy transfer orbit from the vicinity of the
asteroid belt to Earth takes less than 7 years. So, 12 years from the
day we decide to do it, to the arrival of the asteroidal bodies is the
reasonable time to consider. Of course during that 7 year transfer
time we use the lift capacity to put up remotely operated factories
that will use the incoming asteroidal mass as feedstock so we can hit
the ground running - and with learning curve effects achieve maximum
productivity with full employment on Earth, and $100,000 per person
per year income - within 15 years of making the decision to move
ahead.


unless of course
you decide to include our Selene/moon as a viable asteroid to plunder,


The moon as already stated must be mined and is at the bottom of a
gravity well - neither apply to asteroids and other small bodies which
make them easier to mine - and so will be mined first. Beyond 15
years, the moon will be developed - and its gravity well makes it a
good repository for nuclear pulse fleet, nuclear research and
production reactiors, and nuclear industry for space power
applications and space propulsion and nuclear medicine
..

as after all it is rather big and nearby as is, even it it were
relocated to Earth L1.


Earth/Luna L1 is good for a communications satellite that's all.
Earth/Sol L1 is good for a sunshade, and a high intensity solar
collector array.



*or at least within our Selene/
moon.


The moon is not particularly rich when compared to some asteroids,
riches on the moon are buried deep within the moon and must be
extracted, the moon sits at the bottom of a substantial gravity well
that without aerobraking adds significant cost to getting materials
out of the moon and back to Earth, the moon is more than 1 light
second away which means we cannot use present telerobotic techniques
as effectively as we can within 1/5th light second of Earth. *The moon
will one day be a valuable resource, and one day be a vital inhabited
world, using the moon to resolve our materials issues on Earth quickly
is more problematical than asteroid capture and processing on orbit as
described above.


If you say so,


Only because it is so.


because the physics and science we have thus far
doesn't agree with your interpretation.


Yes it does. Its far easier to find, capture and transport rich
asteroids than to survey the entire moon including its interior, find
the rich bits, dig them out, drag them to the surface, and launch them
back to Earth. Its far easier to fabricate stuff on orbit by remote
control than to have populations living on the surface of the moon.
This will happen, but it will not happen before teleoperated factories
on orbit happen.




*Much like Earth, our Selene/moon even has a sufficient core of
geothermal energy.


No it does not.


Again, your science


Science is science - everything I say is firmly rooted in reality.


is certainly all alone,


No I am not.

as here you don't even
agree with NASA or a dozen other interpretations.


I agree with NASA that Apollo sent brave explorers to the moon in
1960s and 70s




Too bad we still do not have a viable fly-by-rocket lander for getting
ourselves safely to/from our Selene/moon


Your boneheaded contention that the Apollo flights did not occur as
described marks you as a profoundly troubled personality.


Are you saying that we can use the William Mook fly-by-rocket lander?


No, I am saying that Apollo sent a handful of astronauts to the moon
in 1969-72

(because the R&D related to our NASA/Apollo one doesn't seem to exist)


See?


and its nifty L1.


Lagrange point 1 between Earth and Sol is more important. *Lunar/Earth
L1 is a good place for a communications satellite - that's about it.


Where's that Mook imagination? (is Mook going brain-dead on us)


Rooted firmly in reality - recall we are speaking of what can be done
in the next 10 to 15 years. L1 is a comsat point nothing more.

You do realize that Clarke Station and the Boeing OASIS are each
engineered to work just perfectly fine and dandy, not to mention my
LSE-CM/ISS.


You realize that the only practical use we will make of Earth/Luna L1
in the next 10 to 15 years is a comsat point nothing more.



*I guess we
can only go so far on a given cesspool of mainstream lies.


The only cesspool of lies are yours sir. *You love projecting your
reality to those outside you. *Fortunately, no one is fooled - except
perhaps for you.


The cold hard truths of physics and the best available science differs
with your negative and often bipolar mindset.


I have said nothing negative only pointed out the obvious.



Since there's most of everything we need on or within our Selene/moon,
what exactly are we waiting for?


Please explain in detail how you would proceed and why it would be
less expensive speedier and more reliable than what I have described?


I've already done that,


No you haven't.

and you cared less because you're stuck in
naysay mode.


You have yet to learn that someone telling you something won't work
because it won't work is not being negative. They're trying to
educate you.

*My terrestrial wind energy alone puts your solar PV
farms to shame,


No they don't. Wind energy will never equal solar energy on a
fundamental basis. Wind energy is caused by differential heating of
the air by sunlight - for that reason it is never more than 1% of
sunlight. On the other hand, sunlight is already converted to energy
with over 40% efficiency.


not to mention my battery of thorium reactors.


The world is safer with no reactors whatever within its biosphere.
Solar panels and solar power satellites will allow this to happen.





To recap;


*1) sign an enhanced nonproliferation treaty and put all 2,000 tons
fissile material under international control - Ends the threat of
loose nukes
*2) use weapons lobs to convert bombs and materials into micro-fission
pulse triggers - keeps the weaponeers busy
*3) develop nuclear pulse engines around fusion elements triggered b
small micro-fission triggers - insipres universal cooperation, unites
world in a positive vision of the future.
*4) build a fleet of 200 ships each 50,000 ton capacity as
interplanetary cruisers - provides substantial capacity at less cost
than US Navy.
*5) put up a communications satellite network - provide global
wireless broadband - establishes mass produced space hardware achieves
early price point and productivity needed to advance, provides
seamless means to work remotely through telerobotics.
*6) put up a power satellite network - provide global wireless power -
ends our pollution of the atmosphere, lowers energy costs, and ends
energy limits to growth
*7) survey the small bodies of the solar system - select the richest
of these for retrieval - expands the availability of raw materials
while reducing the impact of human industry on Earth's biosphere.
*8) retrieve the richest small bodies to sun synch polar orbit - ideal
location for orbiting factories, they pass over every point on Earth
twice a day.
*9) place remotely operated factories on the captured asteroids *-
using materials in captured asteroid, processed into useful goods that
are then delivered directly from orbit in minutes to anyone anywhere
in response to a satellite phone call.
10) expand orbital infrastructure - build products for use IN space -
large pressure vessels to house farms, forests and eventually people -
adding food and wood and wood products to the products available from
space.
11) build large pressure vessels that are capable of floating in
Earth's atmosphere - by heating the air within. *These are similar to
Buckminster Fuller's Cloud Nine cities proposed in 1962. *Tens of
thousands of these cities, each housing up to 100,000 people float
through the skies of Earth- supplied with food and water and fiber and
products from Orbit - communications available to all. *People work
telerobotically anywhere on Earth or Earth orbit from these cities -
the cities float to any point on Earth and pick up anyone anywhere on
request - freeing the poor and powerless from tyranny. *Large pressure
vessels are also built on orbit to house people who arrive there from
Earth.
12) homes powered and supplied and connected to space based
infrastructure are landed and self-erect anywhere desired. *Many have
automated well stocked green houses providing minature farms - all
have teleoperated robots that allow people to recieve all manner of
personal services in their home telerobotically. *All have a
teleoperation suite that allow homeowners to work anywhere and recieve
compensation to buy goods and services from the orbiting
infrastructure. *MEMs based laser powered rocket arrays - forming
propulsive skins on the surface of personal spacecraft - make the home
spaceship possible - these too are delivered to people on demand -
anywhere - allowing them to travel anywere in minutes, or travel to
orbit and back at ease.


All these things improve the quality of life on Earth - and it starts
with converting nuclear weapons into nuclear triggers for nuclear
pulse rockets of tremendous capacity.


Your nifty stuff at best is decades away


The critical part is getting all the loose nukes and converting them
to rockets - and then building the payloads for them. This may all be
done in 5 years.

As the rockets are being built, comsats and powersats are also being
built - and all are deployed by the fleet of 200 on their way to the
asteroid belt - so our energy problems and communications and labor
problems will all be resolved within 5 years of our decision to
resolve them.

Within 12 years of our decision we will have factories on orbit and
asteroids to feed them - and products will rain down from orbit
everywhere in great abundance.

The whole program outlined above will take 12 years no more.

and going to cost us
trillions. *


Yes. Our global economy is presently $70 trillion per year. We have
$40 trillion in liquid assets available to us from 10.4 million
millionaires - and this investment will grow our economy to $600
trillion in 12 years. It will cost $18 trillion to implement spent
over 12 years. That's $1.5 trillion per year . At present the world
spends $1.8 trillion per year on military operations. The world
enters a mutual defense treaty and spends $0.3 trillion on mutual
defense - ends all war spending - ends organized crime - and takes the
savings and spends it on this program, and asks the private sector for
matching funds. This provides easily $36 trillion without taking
money from any other program save warfare while providing $600
trillion PER YEAR return by employing everyone more efficiently than
at present.



Our Selene/moon is right here and now,


You would do well to look at the energetics, rather than the geometry.

although so is the
rather easy access to the planet Venus.


Venus' escape velocity equals that of Earth. Its surface conditions
are intolerable, and finding rich bits to exploit is nigh impossible
under those conditions, as well as exploiting them. Venus I have no
doubt will one day be developed. It will not be complted in 15 years
as asteroid capture and development is.

Your terrestrial solutions are certainly going against Big Energy, so
much so that they'll never happen until long after you're dead.


Big energy is already dead, they don't know it yet.


However, one or two out of the above 12 should work, and that's still
better than most.


You have no basis to make any statements like that.

*Your original green hydrogen economy is certainly a
win-win-win,


Yes, I am already buying up power plants and coal mines.


even if you refuse to make any h2o2


Only because there is no point to it.

(seems you'd just as
soon outlaw the makings of h2o2).


Why outlaw something that's uneconomic, pointless and stupid? No one
will do it because there's no point - except maybe as a specialty
energy source - iike small MEMs based power supplies - we've already
been over this many many times.

*~ BG


  #17  
Old April 3rd 09, 06:31 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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Your anti-thorium, anti-h2o2, anti-Selene/moon L1 and anti most
anything else that's not your mindset idea to start with, is noted.

Good thing there's no chance in hell of you ever being in charge of
NASA, DARPA, DoE or anything else that matters. God forbid should you
even be within any related think-tank, other than as world dictator.

Your CIA World FactBook bible is more than enough reason to avoid the
bipolar mindset of Mook. Can we now assume you are a born-again
Scientology member in good standing?

~ BG


On Apr 2, 9:08*pm, wrote:
On Mar 19, 10:44*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Mar 18, 11:56*am, wrote:


Umm... ridding the world of nuclear materials and nuclear weapons
improves life on Earth.


For the most part that true, although it would be a shame not to use
our fair share of thorium for the clean energy that it can deliver.


Thorium is a minor constituent at best, and would supply very little
power - while perpetuating a system that continues at great risk to
public safety. *Best to rid the world of ALL nuclear materials and
place ALL nuclear materials under international control whose only use
is space propulsion and space power - with rockets stationed on the
lunar surface, and the only nuclear research is done on the moon's
surface.



Using nuclear pulse engines built around old weapons materials to
orbit large solar power satellites that beam infrared laser energy to
users anywhere on demand, improves life on Earth, by lowering the cost
of energy, making energy more widely available and more abundant, and
ending the endless pollution of our air b ending the use of
conventional fuels.


Can't argue against that, except we don't have another century to
wait.


What makes you think it would take a century? *Classified reports as
early as 1955 showed these vehicles could be built within 5 years of
the decision to do so. *We could build the fleet of 200 ships each
50,000 ton payload capacity in this time frame - all that is required
is the will to do it.



Putting in place a large network of multi-point comsats to turn the
world into a global wireless hotspot, that supports billions of
biometric and VR signalling channels, does the same thing. *Humanoid
robots like ASIMO work anywhere driven by workers who live anywhere -
this immediately improves life on Earth by providing meaningful and
profitable work for all.


Again, if we manage to survive the next century and you manage to pull
everything off without a hitch.


Once the rockets are available putting up the satellites is easy.
Mass producing 600 satellites over the same 5 year period is easy. *At
20 tonnes each that's 12,000 tonnes - less than 1/4 the lift capacity
of a single 50,000 ton ship. *The network would be put up as part of a
shakedown cruise of the first ship sometime 3 to 4 years from the
start of the project.



Capturing rich asteroids, using nuclear pulse techniques to bring them
into Earth orbit, and using nuclear pulse lifters to place significant
remotely controlled factories on them to manufacture stuff and deliver
it anwhere its needed on Earth at extremely low cost - dramatically
improves life on Earth.


Now you're talking of multiple centuries from now,


Why do you say that? *It takes a nuclear pulse ship less than 90 days
to cruise to any point inside the orbit of Jupiter. *Over the 5 year
period of construction and development, smaller survey ships are
built, along with sensor satellites to survey all the small bodies of
the solar system. *The richest of these will have been identified and
recovery techniques worked out and ready when the first ships are
ready. *A minimum energy transfer orbit from the vicinity of the
asteroid belt to Earth takes less than 7 years. *So, 12 years from the
day we decide to do it, to the arrival of the asteroidal bodies is the
reasonable time to consider. *Of course during that 7 year transfer
time we use the lift capacity to put up remotely operated factories
that will use the incoming asteroidal mass as feedstock so we can hit
the ground running - and with learning curve effects achieve maximum
productivity with full employment on Earth, and $100,000 per person
per year income - within 15 years of making the decision to move
ahead.

unless of course
you decide to include our Selene/moon as a viable asteroid to plunder,


The moon as already stated must be mined and is at the bottom of a
gravity well - neither apply to asteroids and other small bodies which
make them easier to mine - and so will be mined first. *Beyond 15
years, the moon will be developed - and its gravity well makes it a
good repository for nuclear pulse fleet, nuclear research and
production reactiors, and nuclear industry for space power
applications and space propulsion and nuclear medicine
.

as after all it is rather big and nearby as is, even it it were
relocated to Earth L1.


Earth/Luna L1 is good for a communications satellite that's all.
Earth/Sol L1 is good for a sunshade, and a high intensity solar
collector array.



*or at least within our Selene/
moon.


The moon is not particularly rich when compared to some asteroids,
riches on the moon are buried deep within the moon and must be
extracted, the moon sits at the bottom of a substantial gravity well
that without aerobraking adds significant cost to getting materials
out of the moon and back to Earth, the moon is more than 1 light
second away which means we cannot use present telerobotic techniques
as effectively as we can within 1/5th light second of Earth. *The moon
will one day be a valuable resource, and one day be a vital inhabited
world, using the moon to resolve our materials issues on Earth quickly
is more problematical than asteroid capture and processing on orbit as
described above.


If you say so,


Only because it is so.

because the physics and science we have thus far
doesn't agree with your interpretation.


Yes it does. * Its far easier to find, capture and transport rich
asteroids than to survey the entire moon including its interior, find
the rich bits, dig them out, drag them to the surface, and launch them
back to Earth. *Its far easier to fabricate stuff on orbit by remote
control than to have populations living on the surface of the moon.
This will happen, but it will not happen before teleoperated factories
on orbit happen.



*Much like Earth, our Selene/moon even has a sufficient core of
geothermal energy.


No it does not.


Again, your science


Science is science - everything I say is firmly rooted in reality.

is certainly all alone,


No I am not.

as here you don't even
agree with NASA or a dozen other interpretations.


I agree with NASA that Apollo sent brave explorers to the moon in
1960s and 70s



Too bad we still do not have a viable fly-by-rocket lander for getting
ourselves safely to/from our Selene/moon


Your boneheaded contention that the Apollo flights did not occur as
described marks you as a profoundly troubled personality.


Are you saying that we can use the William Mook fly-by-rocket lander?


No, I am saying that Apollo sent a handful of astronauts to the moon
in 1969-72

(because the R&D related to our NASA/Apollo one doesn't seem to exist)


See?



and its nifty L1.


Lagrange point 1 between Earth and Sol is more important. *Lunar/Earth
L1 is a good place for a communications satellite - that's about it.


Where's that Mook imagination? (is Mook going brain-dead on us)


Rooted firmly in reality - recall we are speaking of what can be done
in the next 10 to 15 years. *L1 is a comsat point nothing more.

You do realize that Clarke Station and the Boeing OASIS are each
engineered to work just perfectly fine and dandy, not to mention my
LSE-CM/ISS.


You realize that the only practical use we will make of Earth/Luna L1
in the next 10 to 15 years is a comsat point nothing more.



*I guess we
can only go so far on a given cesspool of mainstream lies.


The only cesspool of lies are yours sir. *You love projecting your
reality to those outside you. *Fortunately, no one is fooled - except
perhaps for you.


The cold hard truths of physics and the best available science differs
with your negative and often bipolar mindset.


I have said nothing negative only pointed out the obvious.



Since there's most of everything we need on or within our Selene/moon,
what exactly are we waiting for?


Please explain in detail how you would proceed and why it would be
less expensive speedier and more reliable than what I have described?


I've already done that,


No you haven't.

and you cared less because you're stuck in
naysay mode.


You have yet to learn that someone telling you something won't work
because it won't work is not being negative. *They're trying to
educate you.

*My terrestrial wind energy alone puts your solar PV
farms to shame,


No they don't. *Wind energy will never equal solar energy on a
fundamental basis. *Wind energy is caused by differential heating of
the air by sunlight - for that reason it is never more than 1% of
sunlight. *On the other hand, sunlight is already converted to energy
with over 40% efficiency.

not to mention my battery of thorium reactors.


The world is safer with no reactors whatever within its biosphere.
Solar panels and solar power satellites will allow this to happen.



To recap;


*1) sign an enhanced nonproliferation treaty and put all 2,000 tons
fissile material under international control - Ends the threat of
loose nukes
*2) use weapons lobs to convert bombs and materials into micro-fission
pulse triggers - keeps the weaponeers busy
*3) develop nuclear pulse engines around fusion elements triggered b
small micro-fission triggers - insipres universal cooperation, unites
world in a positive vision of the future.
*4) build a fleet of 200 ships each 50,000 ton capacity as
interplanetary cruisers - provides substantial capacity at less cost
than US Navy.
*5) put up a communications satellite network - provide global
wireless broadband - establishes mass produced space hardware achieves
early price point and productivity needed to advance, provides
seamless means to work remotely through telerobotics.
*6) put up a power satellite network - provide global wireless power -
ends our pollution of the atmosphere, lowers energy costs, and ends
energy limits to growth
*7) survey the small bodies of the solar system - select the richest
of these for retrieval - expands the availability of raw materials
while reducing the impact of human industry on Earth's biosphere.
*8) retrieve the richest small bodies to sun synch polar orbit - ideal
location for orbiting factories, they pass over every point on Earth
twice a day.
*9) place remotely operated factories on the captured asteroids *-
using materials in captured asteroid, processed into useful goods that
are then delivered directly from orbit in minutes to anyone anywhere
in response to a satellite phone call.
10) expand orbital infrastructure - build products for use IN space -
large pressure vessels to house farms, forests and eventually people -
adding food and wood and wood products to the products available from
space.
11) build large pressure vessels that are capable of floating in
Earth's atmosphere - by heating the air within. *These are similar to
Buckminster Fuller's Cloud Nine cities proposed in 1962. *Tens of
thousands of these cities, each housing up to 100,000 people float
through the skies of Earth- supplied with food and water and fiber and
products from Orbit - communications available to all. *People work
telerobotically anywhere on Earth or Earth orbit from these cities -
the cities float to any point on Earth and pick up anyone anywhere on
request - freeing the poor and powerless from tyranny. *Large pressure
vessels are also built on orbit to house people who arrive there from
Earth.
12) homes powered and supplied and connected to space based
infrastructure are landed and self-erect anywhere desired. *Many have
automated well stocked green houses providing minature farms - all
have teleoperated robots that allow people to recieve all manner of
personal services in their home telerobotically. *All have a
teleoperation suite that allow homeowners to work anywhere and recieve
compensation to buy goods and services from the orbiting
infrastructure. *MEMs based laser powered rocket arrays - forming
propulsive skins on the surface of personal spacecraft - make the home
spaceship possible - these too are delivered to people on demand -
anywhere - allowing them to travel anywere in minutes, or travel to
orbit and back at ease.


All these things improve the quality of life on Earth - and it starts
with converting nuclear weapons into nuclear triggers for nuclear
pulse rockets of tremendous capacity.


Your nifty stuff at best is decades away


The critical part is getting all the loose nukes and converting them
to rockets - and then building the payloads for them. *This may all be
done in 5 years.

As the rockets are being built, comsats and powersats are also being
built - and all are deployed by the fleet of 200 on their way to the
asteroid belt - so our energy problems and communications and labor
problems will all be resolved within 5 years of our decision to
resolve them.

Within 12 years of our decision we will have factories on orbit and
asteroids to feed them - and products will rain down from orbit
everywhere in great abundance.

The whole program outlined above will take 12 years no more.

and going to cost us
trillions. *


Yes. *Our global economy is presently $70 trillion per year. *We have
$40 trillion in liquid assets available to us from 10.4 million
millionaires - and this investment will grow our economy to $600
trillion in 12 years. *It will cost $18 trillion to implement spent
over 12 years. *That's $1.5 trillion per year . *At present the world
spends $1.8 trillion per year on military operations. *The world
enters a mutual defense treaty and spends $0.3 trillion on mutual
defense - ends all war spending - ends organized crime - and takes the
savings and spends it on this program, and asks the private sector for
matching funds. *This provides easily $36 trillion without taking
money from any other program save warfare while providing $600
trillion PER YEAR return by employing everyone more efficiently than
at present.

Our Selene/moon is right here and now,


You would do well to look at the energetics, rather than the geometry.

although so is the
rather easy access to the planet Venus.


Venus' escape velocity equals that of Earth. *Its surface conditions
are intolerable, and finding rich bits to exploit is nigh impossible
under those conditions, as well as exploiting them. *Venus I have no
doubt will one day be developed. *It will not be complted in 15 years
as asteroid capture and development is.

Your terrestrial solutions are certainly going against Big Energy, so
much so that they'll never happen until long after you're dead.


Big energy is already dead, they don't know it yet.

However, one or two out of the above 12 should work, and that's still
better than most.


You have no basis to make any statements like that.

*Your original green hydrogen economy is certainly a
win-win-win,


Yes, I am already buying up power plants and coal mines.

even if you refuse to make any h2o2


Only because there is no point to it.

(seems you'd just as
soon outlaw the makings of h2o2).


Why outlaw something that's uneconomic, pointless and stupid? *No one
will do it because there's no point - except maybe as a specialty
energy source - iike small MEMs based power supplies - we've already
been over this *many many times. *~ BG


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Old April 4th 09, 03:20 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Apr 3, 1:31*am, BradGuth wrote:
Your anti-thorium, anti-h2o2, anti-Selene/moon L1 and anti most
anything else that's not your mindset idea to start with, is noted.


Merely pointing out the reality that thorium is a minor constituent of
the world's 2000 tons of fissile material, that thorium is more deadly
than uranium or plutonium, and that the use of any fissile material in
any form within Earth's biosphere perpetuates a deadly risk to all
life on Earth is not being anti -anything. Its merely pointing out
reality - something you have difficulty with apparently. That's your
problem, not mine, or reality's. H2O2 is vastly less energetic than
any other fuel, less stable, has a shorter shelf life, and is more
costly - this doesn't make ME anything - these are the realities about
hydrogen peroxide as fuels. Notwithstanding these shortcomings, H2O2
is more energetic and less costly and less polluting than batteries.
So, this is an obvious application - which again is a minor
constituent in our total energy picture - a reality I was also careful
to point out. Lagrange point 1 is useful as a communications
satellite locale - nothing more. The grandiose schemes you have
imagined for it are not reality based. Pointing this out is not anti-
anything - merely reporting what is real and what is not. So your
comment is again flawed.


Good thing there's no chance in hell of you ever being in charge of
NASA, DARPA, DoE or anything else that matters. *


All that matters to me is what I think and do and achieve on my own.
Interesting that you alternately hold up the very agencies you pillory
in other posts - this suggests you are mentally unstable - and should
really examine your beliefs more closely.


God forbid should you
even be within any related think-tank, other than as world dictator.


This makes no sense whatever - which isn't surprising since your other
statements make little sense and are totally unhinged from reality.

Your CIA World FactBook bible


A bible is faith based. The CIA World Factbook is fact based. If
there are errors in the factbook - why don't you spell them out? I
am certain it would make quite a stir. If you know of not even a
single error in the factbook - why do you insist it is faith based and
not fact based? You really don't make any sense whatever. Of course
you know that.

is more than enough reason to avoid the
bipolar mindset of Mook. *


What evidence do you have that I am bipolar? I consistently answer
your inane claims by pointing out the reality of the situation and
suggest reality based answers to the questions you ask that make any
sense.

Can we now assume you are a born-again
Scientology member in good standing?


I have said nothing about scientology - so, again it makes absolutely
no sense for you to bring it up - except as an attempt to avoid
talking about the obvious reality that you don't know what the hell
you're talking about.
*~ BG

On Apr 2, 9:08*pm, wrote:

On Mar 19, 10:44*pm, BradGuth wrote:


On Mar 18, 11:56*am, wrote:


Umm... ridding the world of nuclear materials and nuclear weapons
improves life on Earth.


For the most part that true, although it would be a shame not to use
our fair share of thorium for the clean energy that it can deliver.


Thorium is a minor constituent at best, and would supply very little
power - while perpetuating a system that continues at great risk to
public safety. *Best to rid the world of ALL nuclear materials and
place ALL nuclear materials under international control whose only use
is space propulsion and space power - with rockets stationed on the
lunar surface, and the only nuclear research is done on the moon's
surface.


Using nuclear pulse engines built around old weapons materials to
orbit large solar power satellites that beam infrared laser energy to
users anywhere on demand, improves life on Earth, by lowering the cost
of energy, making energy more widely available and more abundant, and
ending the endless pollution of our air b ending the use of
conventional fuels.


Can't argue against that, except we don't have another century to
wait.


What makes you think it would take a century? *Classified reports as
early as 1955 showed these vehicles could be built within 5 years of
the decision to do so. *We could build the fleet of 200 ships each
50,000 ton payload capacity in this time frame - all that is required
is the will to do it.


Putting in place a large network of multi-point comsats to turn the
world into a global wireless hotspot, that supports billions of
biometric and VR signalling channels, does the same thing. *Humanoid
robots like ASIMO work anywhere driven by workers who live anywhere -
this immediately improves life on Earth by providing meaningful and
profitable work for all.


Again, if we manage to survive the next century and you manage to pull
everything off without a hitch.


Once the rockets are available putting up the satellites is easy.
Mass producing 600 satellites over the same 5 year period is easy. *At
20 tonnes each that's 12,000 tonnes - less than 1/4 the lift capacity
of a single 50,000 ton ship. *The network would be put up as part of a
shakedown cruise of the first ship sometime 3 to 4 years from the
start of the project.


Capturing rich asteroids, using nuclear pulse techniques to bring them
into Earth orbit, and using nuclear pulse lifters to place significant
remotely controlled factories on them to manufacture stuff and deliver
it anwhere its needed on Earth at extremely low cost - dramatically
improves life on Earth.


Now you're talking of multiple centuries from now,


Why do you say that? *It takes a nuclear pulse ship less than 90 days
to cruise to any point inside the orbit of Jupiter. *Over the 5 year
period of construction and development, smaller survey ships are
built, along with sensor satellites to survey all the small bodies of
the solar system. *The richest of these will have been identified and
recovery techniques worked out and ready when the first ships are
ready. *A minimum energy transfer orbit from the vicinity of the
asteroid belt to Earth takes less than 7 years. *So, 12 years from the
day we decide to do it, to the arrival of the asteroidal bodies is the
reasonable time to consider. *Of course during that 7 year transfer
time we use the lift capacity to put up remotely operated factories
that will use the incoming asteroidal mass as feedstock so we can hit
the ground running - and with learning curve effects achieve maximum
productivity with full employment on Earth, and $100,000 per person
per year income - within 15 years of making the decision to move
ahead.


unless of course
you decide to include our Selene/moon as a viable asteroid to plunder,


The moon as already stated must be mined and is at the bottom of a
gravity well - neither apply to asteroids and other small bodies which
make them easier to mine - and so will be mined first. *Beyond 15
years, the moon will be developed - and its gravity well makes it a
good repository for nuclear pulse fleet, nuclear research and
production reactiors, and nuclear industry for space power
applications and space propulsion and nuclear medicine
.


as after all it is rather big and nearby as is, even it it were
relocated to Earth L1.


Earth/Luna L1 is good for a communications satellite that's all.
Earth/Sol L1 is good for a sunshade, and a high intensity solar
collector array.


*or at least within our Selene/
moon.


The moon is not particularly rich when compared to some asteroids,
riches on the moon are buried deep within the moon and must be
extracted, the moon sits at the bottom of a substantial gravity well
that without aerobraking adds significant cost to getting materials
out of the moon and back to Earth, the moon is more than 1 light
second away which means we cannot use present telerobotic techniques
as effectively as we can within 1/5th light second of Earth. *The moon
will one day be a valuable resource, and one day be a vital inhabited
world, using the moon to resolve our materials issues on Earth quickly
is more problematical than asteroid capture and processing on orbit as
described above.


If you say so,


Only because it is so.


because the physics and science we have thus far
doesn't agree with your interpretation.


Yes it does. * Its far easier to find, capture and transport rich
asteroids than to survey the entire moon including its interior, find
the rich bits, dig them out, drag them to the surface, and launch them
back to Earth. *Its far easier to fabricate stuff on orbit by remote
control than to have populations living on the surface of the moon.
This will happen, but it will not happen before teleoperated factories
on orbit happen.


*Much like Earth, our Selene/moon even has a sufficient core of
geothermal energy.


No it does not.


Again, your science


Science is science - everything I say is firmly rooted in reality.


is certainly all alone,


No I am not.


as here you don't even
agree with NASA or a dozen other interpretations.


I agree with NASA that Apollo sent brave explorers to the moon in
1960s and 70s


Too bad we still do not have a viable fly-by-rocket lander for getting
ourselves safely to/from our Selene/moon


Your boneheaded contention that the Apollo flights did not occur as
described marks you as a profoundly troubled personality.


Are you saying that we can use the William Mook fly-by-rocket lander?


No, I am saying that Apollo sent a handful of astronauts to the moon
in 1969-72


(because the R&D related to our NASA/Apollo one doesn't seem to exist)


See?


and its nifty L1.


Lagrange point 1 between Earth and Sol is more important. *Lunar/Earth
L1 is a good place for a communications satellite - that's about it..


Where's that Mook imagination? (is Mook going brain-dead on us)


Rooted firmly in reality - recall we are speaking of what can be done
in the next 10 to 15 years. *L1 is a comsat point nothing more.


You do realize that Clarke Station and the Boeing OASIS are each
engineered to work just perfectly fine and dandy, not to mention my
LSE-CM/ISS.


You realize that the only practical use we will make of Earth/Luna L1
in the next 10 to 15 years is a comsat point nothing more.


*I guess we
can only go so far on a given cesspool of mainstream lies.


The only cesspool of lies are yours sir. *You love projecting your
reality to those outside you. *Fortunately, no one is fooled - except
perhaps for you.


The cold hard truths of physics and the best available science differs
with your negative and often bipolar mindset.


I have said nothing negative only pointed out the obvious.


Since there's most of everything we need on or within our Selene/moon,
what exactly are we waiting for?


Please explain in detail how you would proceed and why it would be
less expensive speedier and more reliable than what I have described?


I've already done that,


No you haven't.


and you cared less because you're stuck in
naysay mode.


You have yet to learn that someone telling you something won't work
because it won't work is not being negative. *They're trying to
educate you.


*My terrestrial wind energy alone puts your solar PV
farms to shame,


No they don't. *Wind energy will never equal solar energy on a
fundamental basis. *Wind energy is caused by differential heating of
the air by sunlight - for that reason it is never more than 1% of
sunlight. *On the other hand, sunlight is already converted to energy
with over 40% efficiency.


not to mention my battery of thorium reactors.


The world is safer with no reactors whatever within its biosphere.
Solar panels and solar power


...

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Old April 4th 09, 03:29 PM posted to alt.astronomy,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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On Apr 2, 12:07*pm, American wrote:

: 99.9% of Google Groups (aka Usenet/newsgroups) are pretend-
: Atheists, so pretty much anything you have to say (good or bad)
: about God or his/her followers doesn't matter.

Oh, so carnality is more important here? If that's the case then
negative law must openly tout its overriding principle in pro-
tecting the sinner's rights by replacing a blood covenant with
religious freedom for all of humanities good and evil intentions.

In other words, the good get better at spiritual things while the
evil wax great with more massive fraud and manipulation.

Methinks "magic" will win out over the *evil* manipulators.

: How far would Hitler have gotten without the divine help of the
: Zionist God?

As far as he did, which was almost as far as the A-Bomb, minus
a few months of cozily coddled science for his Third Reich,
except that Hitler became much intellectually out-capitalized
as far as the geographical migration of Mr. Albert Einstein was
concerned, which took him from Germany to Princeton, where
he wrote a letter to then president Franklin D. Roosevelt about
the powerful bombs that might be constructed from the chain
reaction in uranium.

: How far would our previous LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) have
: gotten without his trusty faith-based army of born-again
: minions?

As far as he did, which was as far as to follow his puppetmasters
all the way to the NWO, give or take a few presidents or nations,
which really doesn't count for much, unless you're of the kind
which needs more world central planning (that makes no person
better or worse than a species of subhuman - give or take a
few bailouts).


You know, only official spooks and moles would quote so much context
and then proceed to twist everything in order to suit their pro
Zionist Nazi and New World Order mindset.

Excluding religion involvement from government is a typical ruse/sting
that out MI5/CIA and DARPA have used for decades. Even the Usenet/
newsgroup rabbis are big on this kind of obfuscation and denial
tactic.

~ BG

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Old April 4th 09, 09:44 PM posted to alt.astronomy,rec.org.mensa,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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On Apr 2, 5:25*pm, BradGuth wrote:

: Hitler was a poorly trained artist, had practically no knowledge of
: physics or science, and much less expertise in global domination.

Much less expertise in global domination? Are you kidding?
Then why did it take all of France, England, and the U.S. to stop
your so-called "poorly trained artist" from becoming one of the
most successful evil geniuses of all time?

Was it mainly because the time of the end of the church age was
not at hand as of yet? Who's timing was/is being used here?

So now that the whole world has got all of its "Christian"
denominations, or factions - and along with this, all of the multi-
farious ways of communicating "the message" to the rest of the
world, with each and every denomination vying for a piece of the
type and style of invitation, let alone the broadcasting medium
and/or meeting house that will host each event, you have the
actual market conditions for preferential treatment to the
"establishment" types, who now inadvertantly become (through
our presently monetary policy) part of the NWO, as most all
technologically derived societies whose monetary systems will
become interdependent according to what the G20, and
finally, the 4th beast must dictate to them (ref. Daniel 7:2-8,
Daniel 7:17-23).

This is not what the rest of humanity planned, because most
humans today have absolutely no idea that, IMO, they are
allowing themselves to become tricked by another fallen
creature's desire to protect itself from the ensuing chaos that
is about to take place over the face of the whole earth, at the
expense of the spiritually ignorant and morally stupid.

: Why exactly are you into protecting those faith-based butts and
: Zionist ****ologist?

The Old Testament is not *just for Zionists*. I talked about
this before. Only *some* American Jews are Zionists. There is
a growing group of conservative Jews who practice Judaism in
this country and abroad who are definitely NOT Zionist,
(ref. what Rabbi Weiss has to say about it on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9OIqy6md9w

In short, many of the people OF ISRAEL do not want any kind of
state, national, or internationally mandated control with
jurisdiction
over faith as "corporations" under a 501(c)(3) world type regulation.

The rest of the world has absolutely no authority to regulate
what is to be said and what is not to be said according to
either the Torah, the Kabbalah, or Scripture.

: Are you suggesting his vast expertise in most everything under
: the sun came via Atheists, and from Mars none the less?

Knowledge without wisdom is an exercise in futility.
I'd rather go with the wisdom that followed Lot out of Sodom
and Gomorrah than a secret alien base on Mars any day.

: Are you actually suggesting that only the poor German Atheists
: were educated in physics, biology, advanced chemistry
: and science?

Nonetheless, many poor American (or German, for that matter)
denominationalists, who will blindly accept their physics, biology,
chemistry, and science "status quo" can never have the ability
to recouncil people like Machiavelli with the the teaching of the
bible - therefore, they remain trapped in observing the
choreography of their mediatrixed dance-with-the-devil more
than with the substancial issues of the day.

: How far would our previous LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) have
: gotten without his trusty faith-based army of born-again
: minions?


As far as he did, which was as far as to follow his puppetmasters
all the way to the NWO, give or take a few presidents or nations,
which really doesn't count for much, unless you're of the kind
which needs more world central planning (that makes no person
better or worse than a species of subhuman - give or take a
few bailouts).


: You are a great kidder, and otherwise a perfectly fine upstanding
: example of doing whatever it takes for protecting the most guilty
: and defending their mainstream status quo of denial and
: obfuscation policy, as though it were on steroids that
: you provided.

As usual, you're pettifogging the real truth behind whatever the
bureaucracy will do to further empower itself by way of its illegal
printing of federal reserve notes, without the least bit of regard
for who pays in the long run, and as long as our free market
competition is ruled out, successful and independent entre-
preneurialism is ruled out, intelligence within intelligent design
is ruled out, and consititutional freedom from tyranny are
ruled out, so we can all be rest assured that people like
Neville Chamberlain have our best interests at heart.

Still looking for our moment in the sun?

: You're obvious bipolar as hell to boot.

Not unless there's darn good reason to be alarmed that the
money being spent today by our government really doesn't
have a face on it - and the face that you DO see is a lie -
the currency is now being prostituted worldwide to an
international corporate conglomorate of ruthless earth-based
investors who could care less about what happens anywhere
else except in their own back yards.

: ~ BG

Face it, if you can't EAT money, what good is it?


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