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Old December 10th 12, 03:11 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Dec 9, 6:04*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:50*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









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On Dec 9, 3:05*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 9, 11:54*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 2:28*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 9, 10:30*am, mpc755 wrote:


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On Dec 9, 8:09*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 10:38*am, Brad Guth wrote:


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On Dec 9, 10:21*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 9, 7:12*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 9:59*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 8, 10:17*pm, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 1:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:


You have two dice. They are exact opposites. If you roll one and it is
a 6 the other is going to be a 1. One is a 5 the other a 2. One is a 4
the other a 3.


So, when you roll the dice and one shows up as a 5 you know the other
one is going to be a 2. The dice are not entangled. There is no tunnel
or wormhole between them. They are created as exact opposites and will
be detected with 'opposite' numbers.


That's a silly analogy that doesn't make any sense as to the science
accomplishments of photon entanglement.


That's because you are unable to understand there is no such thing as
photon entanglement.


That's only because you and others can't seem to objectively prove
that individual photons actually travel.


That's only because you are incapable of understanding photons move.


Then show us the objective proof that an individual photon and its
phantom particle moves through aether from its source to whatever
target. *If nothing else, you'll be the first.


Something moves from the Sun to your eye. That something travels
through a single slit in a double slit experiment. This means the
something which moves has properties of a singularity.


And yet you and all others can't objectively prove that any original
singular photon and its phantom particle actually travels anywhere, as
in all by itself. *Why is that?


The solar wind that can exceed 1000 km/sec moves physical 3D stuff
away from our sun. *The phantom particle of your displaced aether
conducted photon has no 3D volume and thus represents no particle
mass. *Can you give us a 2D photon mass?


The moving singularity which passes through a single slit in a double
slit experiment is the photon particle. The associated wave is a wave
in the aether.


So, how much does this phantom singularity particle of zero volume
weigh?


Who said it has zero volume?


I did, though I've previously stipulated a swag on behalf of a photon
having mass (though damn little) long before you ever came along.


If it has mass then it has volume. If it has volume then it has mass.


Except as far as anyone knows, photons represent zero volume, as
though they are only 2D.

When are you going to provide objective proof-positive about your
aether stuff?

In the optical ring cavity, each reflected photon is a secondary/
recoil to the one before.
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Old December 10th 12, 03:13 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Dec 9, 9:11*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 9, 6:04*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Dec 9, 8:50*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 9, 5:40*pm, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 3:05*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 9, 11:54*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 2:28*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 9, 10:30*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 12:40*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 9, 8:09*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 10:38*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 9, 7:26*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 10:21*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 9, 7:12*am, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 9:59*am, Brad Guth wrote:


On Dec 8, 10:17*pm, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 9, 1:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:


You have two dice. They are exact opposites. If you roll one and it is
a 6 the other is going to be a 1. One is a 5 the other a 2. One is a 4
the other a 3.


So, when you roll the dice and one shows up as a 5 you know the other
one is going to be a 2. The dice are not entangled. There is no tunnel
or wormhole between them. They are created as exact opposites and will
be detected with 'opposite' numbers.


That's a silly analogy that doesn't make any sense as to the science
accomplishments of photon entanglement.


That's because you are unable to understand there is no such thing as
photon entanglement.


That's only because you and others can't seem to objectively prove
that individual photons actually travel.


That's only because you are incapable of understanding photons move.


Then show us the objective proof that an individual photon and its
phantom particle moves through aether from its source to whatever
target. *If nothing else, you'll be the first.


Something moves from the Sun to your eye. That something travels
through a single slit in a double slit experiment. This means the
something which moves has properties of a singularity.


And yet you and all others can't objectively prove that any original
singular photon and its phantom particle actually travels anywhere, as
in all by itself. *Why is that?


The solar wind that can exceed 1000 km/sec moves physical 3D stuff
away from our sun. *The phantom particle of your displaced aether
conducted photon has no 3D volume and thus represents no particle
mass. *Can you give us a 2D photon mass?


The moving singularity which passes through a single slit in a double
slit experiment is the photon particle. The associated wave is a wave
in the aether.


So, how much does this phantom singularity particle of zero volume
weigh?


Who said it has zero volume?


I did, though I've previously stipulated a swag on behalf of a photon
having mass (though damn little) long before you ever came along.


If it has mass then it has volume. If it has volume then it has mass.


Except as far as anyone knows, photons represent zero volume, as
though they are only 2D.

When are you going to provide objective proof-positive about your
aether stuff?

In the optical ring cavity, each reflected photon is a secondary/
recoil to the one before.


Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts
inward pressure toward matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined trajectory
which takes it through one slit while the associated wave in the
aether passes through both.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...ein_ether.html

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable"

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ...
disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with
the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the
state of displacement of the aether.

'The Third Book of Opticks (1718) by Isaac Newton'
http://www.newtonproject.sussex.ac.u...ized/NATP00051

"Qu. 21. Is not this Medium much rarer within the dense Bodies of the
Sun, Stars, Planets and Comets, than in the empty celestial Spaces
between them? And in passing from them to great distances, doth it not
grow denser and denser perpetually, and thereby cause the gravity of
those great Bodies towards one another, and of their parts towards the
Bodies; every Body endeavouring to go from the denser parts of the
Medium towards the rarer? ..."

Newton is referring to the state of displacement of the aether. The
aether does not have a variable density. However, Newton was correct;
displaced aether is the cause of gravity.

'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011...U_Voyager.html

"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like
cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity
of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar
space is compacting it."

It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than
in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and
exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the
interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter
the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the solar system.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.”

“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
“energetic contact” with a hidden medium”

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
“energetic contact” is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow ‘Shock’ Outside our Solar System'
http://www.universetoday.com/95094/s...-solar-system/

'“While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we’re
finding that our Sun’s interaction doesn’t reach the critical
threshold to form a shock,” said Dr. David McComas, principal
investigator of the IBEX mission, “so a wave is a more accurate
depiction of what’s happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the
wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water.”'

The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This
is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an
associated aether wave.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hu...g_feature.html

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy
clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a
gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the
galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.

'Giant black hole kicked out of home galaxy'
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Obs...0 galaxy.aspx

"But these new data support the idea that gravitational waves —
ripples in the fabric of space first predicted by Albert Einstein but
never detected directly — can exert an extremely powerful force."

The fabric of space is the aether.

Gravitational waves are ripples in the aether.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double
slit experiment; the aether.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave.

They are both aether displacement waves.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a
sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...004.1475v1.pdf

"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential
in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic
field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very
closely."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether.
The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under
water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and
the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the
water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the
lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from
the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of
the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by
the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to
remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The
submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The
state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains
the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is
not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what
is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through
and displace the aether.

'Milky Way's halo more squished than spherical'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735679.../#.TjkpbmDmE2c

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether. The
matter which would form the Milky Way was moving as it displaced the
aether. The aether displaced perpendicular to the major direction of
motion became the majority force of the displaced aether and forced
the matter into the disk. This resulted in the angular momentum of the
matter. It is the aether which is displaced outward relative to the
plane of the angular momentum which exerts force toward the center of
the Milky Way. This force, along with the state of displacement of the
aether as determined by the angular momentum of the Milky Way, forced
the matter closer together which resulted in the displaced aether
looking like a squished beach ball. Aether displacement explains how
the Milky Way was created, how the disk and halo formed and why the
rotational speed can not be accounted for by the mass of the matter of
the Milky Way itself.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

"Since according to our present conceptions the elementary particles
of matter are also, in their essence, nothing else than condensations
of the electromagnetic field"

The electromagnetic field is a state of the aether. Particles of
matter are condensations of aether.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A.
EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish. However, the matter which no
longer exists as part of the body has not vanished; it still exists,
as aether. Matter evaporates into aether. As matter evaporates into
aether it expands into neighboring places; which is energy. Mass is
conserved.

When a nuclear bomb explodes matter evaporates into aether. The
evaporation is energy. Mass is conserved.

The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the state of
the aether in which it exists. In terms of general relativity, the
greater the mass per volume of the matter the greater the displacement
of the aether, the greater the force exerted toward and throughout the
atomic clock by the displaced aether the slower the atomic clock
ticks. In terms of special relativity, the faster a clock moves
through the aether the more aether the clock displaces the more force
the displaced aether exerts toward and throughout the atomic clock the
slower the clock ticks.

Curved spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether.

'Was the universe born spinning?'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688

"The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a
preferred axis"

The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or
the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; a larger version of a
black hole polar jet.

'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe'
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...10/10-023.html

"The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our
solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion
is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed
outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule
out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right
now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the
clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said."

The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or
the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet.

The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet.

http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html

The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual
emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space
associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in
our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving
outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image
above, '1st Stars' is where aether condenses into matter.

Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet.

It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing.
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Old December 10th 12, 05:55 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:33:23 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
wrote:

On Dec 9, 4:36*pm, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:28:57 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth

wrote:
. . .
And yet you and all others can't objectively prove that any original
singular photon and its phantom particle actually travels anywhere, as
in all by itself. *Why is that? . . .


It took me awhile, Brad, because I was rather intrigued by your idea
that there was no objective evidence of photon motion, and I finally
found that evidence in the following article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton_scattering

As you already know, Albert Einstein proposed in 1905 that light
*moved* in discreet packets of energy that were called "quanta"
(singular "quantum"). *His idea solved a good deal of anomalies in
physics, and for that he received the Nobel prize in physics in 1921.

During that sixteen-year period, there was a lot of resistance from
physicists who still greatly favored the wave makeup of light.
Einstein had proved mathematically that photons moved as individual
particles and had the property of *momentum". *But the math proof was
not enough.

Arthur Compton performed an experiment in 1923 that's described in the
article linked to above, and he received the Nobel for it in 1927.
Compton's experiment supported Einstein's math and was performed by
others to confirm the result. *Following that experimental proof,
physicists were convinced of the particle nature of light, and that
light quanta (photons) possessed the property of momentum.

As you should agree, anything that has "momentum" moves. *Without
momentum there can be no movement. *When anything moves, it then must
possess the property of momentum. * And any kind of object that has
momentum must be in motion.

Einstein proposed that light particles had momentum, and Compton
proved Einstein correct with experimental evidence.


Phantom singularity particle momentum within their individual
wavelength is well enough understood.

Now all we need is to follow one singular originating photon in order
to make darn certain that it's only the original photon and not of any
replicated copies arriving at or reflecting off point B.

The trillion frame per second camera still can't mange to do this, but
perhaps a better observation method will soon materialize, that will
give us the objective proof.



Brad, if a truck were moving straight toward you, would you get out of
its way? or would you wait for a better observation method?

Einstein proved mathematically, and Compton proved empirically that
photons have momentum, which means that they must be in motion, they
must move. If that's not objective proof enough for you, consider
yourself a majority of one.


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Old December 11th 12, 03:49 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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Newton had no theory, he just said that light was corpuscles;
100 years later, Young buried this ideal, showing that
all characters of light are wavey. yes,
waves of light do impart momentum, and how that can occur
is a matter of interest.

Einstein proved mathematically, and Compton proved empirically that
photons have momentum, which means that they must be in motion,

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Old December 11th 12, 04:21 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:49:30 -0800 (PST), 1treePetrifiedForestLane
wrote:

Newton had no theory, he just said that light was corpuscles;
100 years later, Young buried this ideal, showing that
all characters of light are wavey. yes,
waves of light do impart momentum, and how that can occur
is a matter of interest.

Einstein proved mathematically, and Compton proved empirically that
photons have momentum, which means that they must be in motion,



Light waves are transverse waves like ocean waves. Bobbers on the
ocean move up and down, perpendicular to the motion of transverse
ocean waves. Ocean waves "wave" water and air.

So how do you think that waves of light impart momentum? And what do
you think they "wave"?


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Old December 11th 12, 04:41 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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the atoms in the medium of "free space,"
index of refraction, "closer to one than air, but not that much;"
essentially the same permitivity & permeability.

this problem was solved classically by Liebniz et al,
the problem of the brachistorchrone (tautochrone).

Pascal discoverd the vacuum, experimentally, but
he thought that it was perfect (i.e. the limit of a stage
of a vacuum pump is about 32 feet .-)

So how do you think that waves of light impart momentum? *And what do
you think they "wave"?


thus:
the absoprtive spectrum of water is much larger than that
of carbon dioxide; so?

thus:
Ahrrenius' metaphor has ne'er actually been applied,
either a)
to a globe with a glass house around it, or b)
to a glass house at a particular lattitude ... as a "control
for the God-am metaphor."

that is the 100-year-old nonsequiter of "global" warming!

thus quoth:
- In Section 2 the warming effect in real greenhouses, which has to
be
distinguished strictly from the (in-) famous conjecture of Arrhenius,
is
discusseed.
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Old December 11th 12, 05:16 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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Painius wrote:
So how do you think that waves of light impart momentum? And what do
you think they "wave"?


E=MC^2, right? It's like getting smacked by a teensy BB. The
electric fields wave the magnetic fields, and verse vice-a.

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Old December 11th 12, 06:18 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:16:47 -0800, Linuxgal wrote:

Painius wrote:
So how do you think that waves of light impart momentum? And what do
you think they "wave"?


E=MC^2, right? It's like getting smacked by a teensy BB. The
electric fields wave the magnetic fields, and verse vice-a.


The amount of ignorance in this thread absolutely defies conceptions.

Not E=MC^2 but G=EMC^2. Treebert is VERY clever! Light is not one
particle (Treeb is smarter than Newton AND Einstein!) Light particles
come in pairs with a wiggly-wave hooked between them! Treeb claims this
idea as his own but he stole it from my "Wood is Good" theory.

And while we are pointing out gross errors, allow me to note that
electric and magnetic fields DO NOT "create each other" no matter what
you've read in Wikipedia.


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Old December 11th 12, 01:19 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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benj wrote:
And while we are pointing out gross errors, allow me to note that
electric and magnetic fields DO NOT "create each other" no matter what
you've read in Wikipedia.


They do too. That's why there's a reverse-biased diode across the coil
of relays in the better-designed circuits. When the magnetic field of
the relay collapses it creates a backwards transient electrical surge
and the diode neutralizes it before the juice goes out and ****s up the
switching logic.

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