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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Neil Gerace
wrote: Baseball, being all over in a few hours, was a Sunday afternoon game for working people, IIRC. ,,,Actually, Baseball is played pretty much any day of the week, with something like 180 games played by each team per season. In the 1920s thru the 1940s, for Major League teams located in the really big cities - New York, Chicago and to some extent Boston and DC - it was not uncommon for an employer to allow his employess an occasional afternoon off to see a game. Especially if they also got the boss a ticket to come along! This couldn't happen every game, or no business would get done, but enough businesses had enough fans to where teams could get a fair amount of seats filled for each game during the week. The only real problems from what I've been able to gather happened when the Yankees played the Brooklyn Dodgers, because *everyone* wanted off in order to see "Dem Bums" play one another. ....This sort of support sort ot tapered off starting in the 1950s, with Baseball being televised for the first time. Radio had always been an option, but TV showed you the actual pitch, hit and crowds cheering as opposed to the possibility that the sounds you heard were mechanically reproduced. And if your boss allowed a TV in the office, you could watch the game, keep working somewhat, and save yourself the price of a ticket, popcorn, beer and hot dog. ....But Baseball being a five-day game? Could you see today's overpriced steroid-addicted drug thugs playing for more than five *innings*? Hey, when it comes to long games, Cricket holds the crown on that scam, uncontested! OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:48:22 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Iraq’s nuclear weapons program? The president’s statements “were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates.” On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president’s statements “were substantiated by intelligence information.” On chemical weapons, then? “Substantiated by intelligence information.” That "intelligence information" turned out to be false. Not that I'm blaming anybody.... Dale |
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:48:22 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: Corruption? Going to war under false pretense is corrupt. Let us know when that actually happens: http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=141 " On Iraq’s nuclear weapons program? The president’s statements “were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates.” On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president’s statements “were substantiated by intelligence information.” On chemical weapons, then? “Substantiated by intelligence information.” " I'm reluctant to follow up again, but I just don't get your point. I guess you're excusing the president's "non-factual" statements because he had assembled an incompetent intelligence community? I guess the "buck stopped" at the HR department or something? Many, many people have died and a great deal of our national treasury has been depleted by all of this. I'd like to think that had I been president, and I'd presided over such an event, I'd at least have the courage to take responsibility. Not that your are speaking for the president, of course. But you certainly seem to be trying to evade responsibilty on his behalf. I guess you don't expect much from him. Sad. Dale |
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:47:04 -0700, in a place far, far away, Dale
Carlson made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:48:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: Corruption? Going to war under false pretense is corrupt. Let us know when that actually happens: http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=141 " On Iraq’s nuclear weapons program? The president’s statements “were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates.” On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president’s statements “were substantiated by intelligence information.” On chemical weapons, then? “Substantiated by intelligence information.” " I'm reluctant to follow up again, but I just don't get your point. I guess you're excusing the president's "non-factual" statements because he had assembled an incompetent intelligence community? I guess the "buck stopped" at the HR department or something? Actually, he had simply kept an incompetent intelligence community "assembled" by the previous president. Which I thought was a bad idea at the time, but I don't recall many others criticizing him for it. Tenant was a Clinton appointee. |
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On Jun 15, 5:00 pm, OM wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Neil Gerace wrote: Baseball, being all over in a few hours, was a Sunday afternoon game for working people, IIRC. ,,,Actually, Baseball is played pretty much any day of the week, with something like 180 games played by each team per season. I was talking about when baseball was workers' recreation and players had to work for a living - six days a week. Thanks for the history lesson (snipped) though. ...But Baseball being a five-day game? Could you see today's overpriced steroid-addicted drug thugs playing for more than five *innings*? Hey, when it comes to long games, Cricket holds the crown on that scam, uncontested! The recent innovation of Twenty20 cricket (20 overs per side, even shorter than one-dayers) is renewing interest in the game in places like India and I think the West Indies too. |
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Dr J R Stockton wrote: Cricket did have a reputation of being a game for gentlemen, of the upper, middle, and working classes : perhaps America had an inadequate supply even then. OTOH, a land originally peopled (aboriginals apart) by convicts does have an annoying habit of winning its games. I still remember Sadu, our friend from India, explaining the basic concept of cricket to our "Distressed Gentlefolk's Wine Appreciation and Free-Thought Society": "Gentlemen, you must understand that this game is not about winning or losing...it is about _drinking_. If the sun sets while the game is going on, it's a tie." We immediately fully supported the concept of the game, particularly since we tended to start any games at around 7 PM, after the barbecue was over - and any bad feeling about winning or losing teams could be completely avoided in this manner. We never were able to get the DGWA & FS cricket team going though, due to the lack of any ready source of supplies for it in Jamestown, North Dakota...although thought was given to buying wooden canoe paddles and cutting them down into cricket bats. Two-piece plastic oars for inflatable rafts were actually closer in shape, but the thought of using them was considered to be too gauche to be allowed. In the end though, croquette stayed the official DGWA & FS game - and the way we played it, it also was a lot more about drinking than winning or losing*. The lads and Sadu would make frequent stops in the game to refresh themselves with gin and tonics due to the heat....even on cool evenings. And the lack of any indigenous rattlesnakes near Jamestown did not make the need for gin less, as one might have swum across the Missouri River from the western part of the state and hitched a ride into Jamestown on a train...better safe than sorry when it comes to those terrors. The same went for scurvy and malaria...the gin and tonics were seen as the sovereign cure for any threats that might wait for those bold enough to leave the bar and head into God-knows-what sort of perils on the croquette field. * It was considered extremely bad form to knock your opponent's ball as far as you could into some area that he would have a difficult time returning from ...say down the steps that went up into the yard or into the street where it would roll downhill for half a block or so - as it was also to chase the person around who had done this to you while attempting to urinate on them...but I must admit that such lapses of taste and decorum did occur on occasion, and indeed the latter may have discouraged the former from occurring more often. An attempt at lawn bowling involving empty beer bottles and a croquette ball was not successful, particularly when the resulting shattered glass was hurled around by the lawnmower at the next lawn trimming. Pat |
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On Jun 15, 4:47 am, Dale Carlson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:48:22 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: Corruption? Going to war under false pretense is corrupt. Let us know when that actually happens: http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=141 " On Iraq’s nuclear weapons program? The president’s statements “were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates.” On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president’s statements “were substantiated by intelligence information.” On chemical weapons, then? “Substantiated by intelligence information.” " I'm reluctant to follow up again, but I just don't get your point. I guess you're excusing the president's "non-factual" statements because he had assembled an incompetent intelligence community? I am "excusing" Bush saying things that were wrong because a *lot* of intelligence services were wrong. If you turn on CNN, MSNBC, ABCCBSNBC abd they're all screamign about "London just got nuked," and you decide to call up your dad and say "London just got nuked," you're not a liar if it turns out that London has, instead, just suffered a power outage coupled with a really spiffy fireworks show. Many, many people have died and a great deal of our national treasury has been depleted by all of this. Think back to 2002-2003. Many people died and a great deal of national treasure had just been lost due to the actions of 19 dumbasses with boxcutters.... and here's the CIA telling the President that an enemy nation that has actively supported terrorism is working on nuclear bombs and biowarfare agents. |
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On Jun 15, 5:30 am, Dale Carlson wrote:
Being caught with a lame holdover team in September 2001 is understandable. But we're talking about Spring 2003. Halfway though his first term. I'm not sure how one can justify this- assuming that you're trying to- which I suspect you're not. How exactly would Bush have gone about completely repalcing the CIA? Not just the political appointees at the top, but also the mid-level managers and all the way down to the analysts and guys in the field? Oh, and how would Bush have gone about completely reworking Britains MI6? Much of the intelligence support of the case against Saddam came from info and events from the late 90's. Was Bush at fault for the CIA not having a time machine by 2003? Many valid complaints can be made against Bush. But please base them on facts, not lame-ass partisan nonsense. We (hopefully) gain wisdom with age and experience. Should president Obama prove to be so incompetent... Twenty years in a whackadoodle racist church? Yeah, I don't think "determining that Obama is incompetant to lead" is a job for the *future.* "Guilt by association" is not a valid concept for the court of law. But it's *perfectly* appropriate for the court of common sense. |
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:30:43 -0700, in a place far, far away, Dale
Carlson made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:16:49 GMT, h (Rand Simberg) wrote: I'm reluctant to follow up again, but I just don't get your point. I guess you're excusing the president's "non-factual" statements because he had assembled an incompetent intelligence community? I guess the "buck stopped" at the HR department or something? Actually, he had simply kept an incompetent intelligence community "assembled" by the previous president. Which I thought was a bad idea at the time, but I don't recall many others criticizing him for it. Tenant was a Clinton appointee. OK, I'll assume that's entirely true. But it's still not an excuse. Being caught with a lame holdover team in September 2001 is understandable. But we're talking about Spring 2003. Halfway though his first term. I'm not sure how one can justify this- assuming that you're trying to- which I suspect you're not. I'm not. I said I criticized him for it at the time. I think that not replacing Tenant immediately (and doing a thorough house cleaning at the CIA) was one of the biggest blunders of his presidency, that has cost the nation, and his presidency, dearly. But that doesn't mean he lied, or committed any crimes. We (hopefully) gain wisdom with age and experience. Should president Obama prove to be so incompetent... well, I may not volunteer that fact here, but I promise to acknowledge it when and if you should rightly point it out I think that a President Obama will prove incompetent in vastly different ways, assuming that such a creature instantiates itself. I consider it quite unlikely. |
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