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Old July 13th 05, 07:59 AM
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EL wrote:
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Dear John,
If you were inside a moving elevator and had two tight-sealed jars, one
full of chlorine-gas and one full of vacuum (almost empty of matter),
what happens to the trapped gas and the vacuum space, do they move
along with the elevator at its speed or do they stay behind?


You have a 1 liter helium filled balloon on a .5 meter
string attached to the floor of your 3000 liter (internal
volume) minivan, windows closed. What angle does it make to
the horizontal in a clockwise positive sense as the van
acclerates at .1 g?

I don't know the answer, but there is one. :-)


Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein
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Old July 13th 05, 08:54 PM
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[Bob Cain wrote]
EL wrote:
[EL]
Dear John,
If you were inside a moving elevator and had two tight-sealed jars, one
full of chlorine-gas and one full of vacuum (almost empty of matter),
what happens to the trapped gas and the vacuum space, do they move
along with the elevator at its speed or do they stay behind?


You have a 1 liter helium filled balloon on a .5 meter
string attached to the floor of your 3000 liter (internal
volume) minivan, windows closed. What angle does it make to
the horizontal in a clockwise positive sense as the van
acclerates at .1 g?

I don't know the answer, but there is one. :-)
Bob



[EL]
Yes Bob, there is a non zero answer, but your context is irrelevant as
an argument to what I have been saying.
In your case the helium is trapped inside the balloon and is not
assumed to be leaking for an ideal case. This means that the trapped
gas does not jump the boundary but stays trapped. Just like my chlorine
and vacuum, the space is bounded and that space is not left behind the
boundary, tunnelling through its material under acceleration.
Thus, the point I was making is that vacuum is not universally static
but locally trapped by material containment and gravitational reference
frames as well. This means that the MMx was testing an absurd
assumption that assumed Aether to have a relative velocity to the
interferometer that contained it.

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Old July 14th 05, 07:59 AM
Bob Cain
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EL wrote:
[Bob Cain wrote]

EL wrote:

[EL]
Dear John,
If you were inside a moving elevator and had two tight-sealed jars, one
full of chlorine-gas and one full of vacuum (almost empty of matter),
what happens to the trapped gas and the vacuum space, do they move
along with the elevator at its speed or do they stay behind?


You have a 1 liter helium filled balloon on a .5 meter
string attached to the floor of your 3000 liter (internal
volume) minivan, windows closed. What angle does it make to
the horizontal in a clockwise positive sense as the van
acclerates at .1 g?

I don't know the answer, but there is one. :-)
Bob




[EL]
Yes Bob, there is a non zero answer, but your context is irrelevant as
an argument to what I have been saying.


I was aiming for irreverant and seem to have missed. Sorry.


Carry on,

Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein
 




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