Dark matter does not exist. So says one physicist. Said errors ingravity theory are to blame

Professor's name is John Moffat and he claims that oddities seen in nature (stars orbiting faster in galaxies than they should, for eg.) that don't follow the rules of gravity as set-down by Newton and Einstein could be due to a 5th force in nature. Interestingly, a recent discovery hits at a 5th force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moffat_(physicist)

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:29:09 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

Professor's name is John Moffat and he claims that oddities seen in nature (stars orbiting faster in galaxies than they should, for eg.) that don't follow the rules of gravity as set-down by Newton and Einstein could be due to a 5th force in nature. Interestingly, a recent discovery hits at a 5th force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moffat_(physicist)

Yeah, but hardly anybody buys that. The current discussion about a 5th
force centers around a way to reconcile dark matter and the Standard
Model. That's the 5th force that's been in the news, not one that
eliminates dark matter.

On Friday, 26 August 2016 19:06:56 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:29:09 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

Professor's name is John Moffat and he claims that oddities seen in nature (stars orbiting faster in galaxies than they should, for eg.) that don't follow the rules of gravity as set-down by Newton and Einstein could be due to a 5th force in nature. Interestingly, a recent discovery hits at a 5th force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moffat_(physicist)

Yeah, but hardly anybody buys that. The current discussion about a 5th
force centers around a way to reconcile dark matter and the Standard
Model. That's the 5th force that's been in the news, not one that
eliminates dark matter.

Yes. But some of the theorizing around it sounds as speculative as a 5th force to explain deviations from gravity theory.

http://phys.org/news/2016-08-physici...ry-nature.html

On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 11:29:13 PM UTC+1, RichA wrote:
Professor's name is John Moffat and he claims that oddities seen in nature (stars orbiting faster in galaxies than they should, for eg.) that don't follow the rules of gravity as set-down by Newton and Einstein could be due to a 5th force in nature. Interestingly, a recent discovery hits at a 5th force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moffat_(physicist)

Rules of gravity indeed !, I am sure academics sleep soundly with their salaries and pensions knowing that the large part of the population imitate the wordplays that began with Newton and they themselves don't understand yet truly believe as apart of a mathematician's narrative.

There was no 'theory of gravity', there was an attempt to splice the predictive behavior of experimental sciences with predictive astronomy .

"Rule 3

The qualities of bodies, which admit neither intensification nor remission of degrees, and which are found to belong to all bodies with the reach of our experiments, are to be esteemed the universal qualities of all bodies whatsoever.
For since the qualities of bodies are only known to us by experiments, we are to hold for universal all such as universally agree with experiments; and such as are not liable to diminution can never be quite taken away. We are certainly not to relinquish the evidence of experiments for the sake of dreams and vain fictions of our own devising; nor are we to recede from the analogy of Nature, which is wont to be simple and always consonant to itself." Newton

This is only one part of a large opus which covers timekeeping and astronomy stretching back to antiquity and it is quite a journey and quite a story for those who can survey what is magnificent, what was problematic and what eventually lapsed into the hands of uncaring mathematicians.

The antecedent theories of planetary motions are quite relevant and productive as they introduce a large electromagnetic component and although no really my area of study I can appreciate how they came to be viewed -

"The Sun and the Earth rotate on their own axes...The purpose of this
motion is to confer motion on the planets located around them;on the
six primary planets in the case of the Sun,and on the moon in the case
of the Earth.On the other hand the moon does not rotate on the axis of
its own body,as its spots prove " Kepler

If people want to destroy themselves by insisting that the fall of an apple (experiment) is the same as planetary motion around the Sun (universal qualities) as per Newton and his rule 3 then so be it but what a horrible waste of observations for no good reason.

The heavily indoctrinated don't know nor want to know however those who venture even a little way into this vast story will encounter many spectacular insights and strip away many falsehoods.

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 19:02:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Friday, 26 August 2016 19:06:56 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:29:09 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

Professor's name is John Moffat and he claims that oddities seen in nature (stars orbiting faster in galaxies than they should, for eg.) that don't follow the rules of gravity as set-down by Newton and Einstein could be due to a 5th force in nature. Interestingly, a recent discovery hits at a 5th force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moffat_(physicist)

Yeah, but hardly anybody buys that. The current discussion about a 5th
force centers around a way to reconcile dark matter and the Standard
Model. That's the 5th force that's been in the news, not one that
eliminates dark matter.

Yes. But some of the theorizing around it sounds as speculative as a 5th force to explain deviations from gravity theory.

The new "5th force" is extremely speculative. I don't think many
people think it likely on the basis of the evidence presented so far.