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New Marine Corp commercial....."Towards the Sound of Chaos"
"Bill" wrote in message ... In article bac94bf8-eab7-469d-9748-afc277a4d688 @er9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, says... On Mar 27, 7:17 am, Bill wrote: In article 7e65b734-93fa-4a45-b79d-f214dcf585a8 @l18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com, says... Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as Iraq was if the same policy is followed. You know every imperial general since Alexander the Great thought that. So far the Afghans have beaten them all... Except it isn't imperial in the traditional sense. Not from an Afghan's point of view. Where they're standing there's absolutely no difference between NATO now and the British a hundred years ago. We're just a lot less nasty than the Russians, but they probably interpret that as weakness... There is a huge Afghan contingent with us. There always is, it's South Asia, you can always find allies. Isn't this question of what the people there want or need the big problem? How is anyone to really know what the public opinion is in a dictatorship? Until the people can express their opinions in a credible way, no one can answer that question, even the Afghans. Alliances in South Asia are usually about who hates who rather than anyone loving the invaders. Heck the whole Anti-Taliban Northern Alliance formed the core of the government that came into place in 2002. And a right nasty gang of warlords and drug dealers they turned out to be. The people backed the Taliban because that lot raped and robbed at will until a gang of students blew them out. Or don't you know what a 'talib' is? Convincing the undecided people we're serious is key What 'undecided people'? and is what happened in Iraq. Also, like Iraq, is setting up a gov't that can continue and defend themselves, and provide training nd support to them to get there. They're US puppets. The spiritual leader of the vast majority in Iraq is Ayatollah Sistani, his word is still law there. And from day one he was on our side, he wanted to see Saddam overthrown and a democracy in Iraq. In fact he constantly criticized Bush for not bringing enough troops to keep the peace. He also decided to have a parliamentary system over our advice of an American system. Sistani insisted we clear our Fallujah and for the Big Push, he also stopped us from capturing Sadr and on and on. And we're leaving when he tells us to. Some could say the US military became a ..mercenary force for the highest ranking Ayatollah in the region. Who really was the puppet in Iraq? I thought you were in the 'free and fair elections' business. -- William Black "Any number under six" The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat single handed with a quarterstaff. |
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"Dennis" wrote in message . 4.11... Bill wrote: Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as Iraq was if the same policy is followed. Every imperial general since Alexander the Great has said as much. The Afghans beat them all. A recent Russian general said, 'Taking Tora Bora is quite a feat. I should know - I did it three times! But how do you keep it when you've got it?" The reason we'll succeed where all the rest fails is that everyone knows we're not planning on 'keeping' anything. Dennis |
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"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." wrote in message m... bob haller wrote: On Mar 26, 11:21 pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: Iraq is going OK except for... Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as Iraq was if the same policy is followed. neither is winnable and iraq is detoriating. and Iraq is not over...the U.S. will leave...(the wars have cost us 3 trillion)... but now every nation knows if it dares defy the U.S., it *must* have a WMD. And once they do, then the dictatorship can live on and on like in N Korea. So when some dictatorship begins building nukes, should we just look the other way and let the people there suffer endlessly? Or take that dictatorship out while we can? Which is better for them and us? A world full of rogue dictatorships armed with nukes, or a world full of emerging democracies that don't even need much of a military? I know which side I'm on. s |
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On 28/03/2012 16:09, Jonathan wrote:
wrote in message . 4.11... Bill wrote: Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as Iraq was if the same policy is followed. Every imperial general since Alexander the Great has said as much. The Afghans beat them all. A recent Russian general said, 'Taking Tora Bora is quite a feat. I should know - I did it three times! But how do you keep it when you've got it?" The reason we'll succeed where all the rest fails is that everyone knows we're not planning on 'keeping' anything. It is trivial for the men smoking the opium at the den to convert a boy shooting a gun at the departing US soldiers into a battle that drove the invaders away. Andrew Swallow |
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On 28/03/2012 16:20, Jonathan wrote:
"Dr. Vincent Quin, wrote in message m... bob haller wrote: On Mar 26, 11:21 pm, "David E. wrote: Iraq is going OK except for... Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as Iraq was if the same policy is followed. neither is winnable and iraq is detoriating. and Iraq is not over...the U.S. will leave...(the wars have cost us 3 trillion)... but now every nation knows if it dares defy the U.S., it *must* have a WMD. And once they do, then the dictatorship can live on and on like in N Korea. So when some dictatorship begins building nukes, should we just look the other way and let the people there suffer endlessly? North Korea's turn will come. It is just that the oil states are a higher priority. Andrew Swallow Or take that dictatorship out while we can? Which is better for them and us? A world full of rogue dictatorships armed with nukes, or a world full of emerging democracies that don't even need much of a military? I know which side I'm on. |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:35:50 +0100, Bill
wrote, perhaps among other things: In article , says... "Dennis" wrote in message . 4.11... Bill wrote: Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as Iraq was if the same policy is followed. Every imperial general since Alexander the Great has said as much. The Afghans beat them all. A recent Russian general said, 'Taking Tora Bora is quite a feat. I should know - I did it three times! But how do you keep it when you've got it?" The reason we'll succeed where all the rest fails is that everyone knows we're not planning on 'keeping' anything. I hope you're right, I fear your president has decided that 'bringing the boys home' is more important than winning. Considering that there's nothing to "win", I (as an American who served) certainly think that "bringing the boys (and girls) home is paramount. Not one more death or maiming, please. |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:20:26 -0400, "Jonathan"
wrote, perhaps among other things: "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." wrote in message om... bob haller wrote: On Mar 26, 11:21 pm, "David E. Powell" wrote: Iraq is going OK except for... Afghanistan is politically messed up. It can be won on the ground as Iraq was if the same policy is followed. neither is winnable and iraq is detoriating. and Iraq is not over...the U.S. will leave...(the wars have cost us 3 trillion)... but now every nation knows if it dares defy the U.S., it *must* have a WMD. And once they do, then the dictatorship can live on and on like in N Korea. So when some dictatorship begins building nukes, should we just look the other way and let the people there suffer endlessly? Until we get rid of our nukes, yes. BTW, there are a lot of people suffering endlessly here in the US. What do we do about them? Or take that dictatorship out while we can? I'm sure that a lot of people (me not being one of them) would like to take us out, too. Which is better for them and us? A world full of rogue dictatorships armed with nukes, or a world full of emerging democracies that don't even need much of a military? I know which side I'm on. Put that way, I would agree. Depends on your definition of "democracy", of course. We have enough rogue governments with nukes, my country included. I like my military (which I was a part of for three and a half years) to do things like help out during natural disasters. The last war that I thought was "just" was WWII. Everything since brought nothing but shame for my country, in my eyes. s |
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