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Old August 29th 18, 06:29 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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It is fortunate that the wider world protects itself from intellectually damaging notions that are called counter-intuitive by mathematicians but really are contrived rubbish. It is clear that academics can and do promote impossibilities for their own ends however it disrupts genuine faculties that humans need to exercise even when they are starved of them by disruptive voodoo that entertains mathematicians.

The real alternative is whether there are elements in nature that can be simultaneously be both ordered and disordered either in a geometric or arithmetic way. The Pi and Phi proportions are examples of this ordered/random structure insofar as although the digits extend to infinity without repeating, as a pattern the disordered structure represents a geometric quality.

At first glance, especially with the Phi proportion, this ordered/random sequence wouldn't appear to have a specific destination but with so much of nature displaying patterns consistent with the Phi proportion it turns out that it does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio


All that wave/particle duality crap distracts from what humans can deal with via experience and the fact that non periodicity has always resonated with humanity in terms of beauty and efficiency is all the more reason for society to rid itself of intellectual monstrosities.
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Old August 29th 18, 09:38 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-6, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

All that wave/particle duality crap distracts from what humans can deal with via
experience and the fact that non periodicity has always resonated with humanity
in terms of beauty and efficiency is all the more reason for society to rid
itself of intellectual monstrosities.


While quasiperiodic tilings are beautiful, I don't see how you're going to use
them to explain, say, the result of the double-slit experiment.

John Savard
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Old August 30th 18, 08:42 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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A brief digression is necessary before presenting an alternative balance centered around observations where natural forms are neither ordered nor disordered as opposed to the impossible and the extreme duality that entertain mathematicians and their followers concerning geometry.

The non-periodicity of the arithmetic Pi represents the relationship between diameter and circumference where a radius represents a new diameter within this structure. In other words if you can create a circumference from a diameter it holds that there is also a radius. This was covered nearly two decades ago at a time when celebrity physicists would show up in the newsgroups -

(John Baez) wrote in message ...
In article ,
Oriel36 wrote something like:

For those who prize logic, this Planck length is the funniest
thing; seeing that this thread covers a wide range of groups it is
worthwhile posting a simple geometric refutation.

Draw a circumference around a Planck length, the circumference being of
course 3.141 times greater than the length, if you can determine a
circumference you can also determine a radius which is half the
original length and from this discrete length you begin again
constructing a circumference around this half Planck length.

What you get geometrically is a form of the Zeno paradox and you guys
take the Planck length seriously!


[Actually this sort of argument goes back to the "Mutakallimun",
Jewish and Islamic philosopher/theologians of the 10th and 11th centuries
AD. Many of these were very fond of atomism, taking it beyond Democritus
to argue that *everything* was made of discrete units - even space and
time. Others brought forth certain paradoxes to disprove this. John Baez]"



There is no lower limit to length otherwise Pi would possess a periodic arithmetic or geometry would disappear altogether as a discipline. Two decades on from pointing this out and with a much softer overview of how the narrative developed I can't say I feel sorry for mathematicians but I do realise that it was a time when academics were trying to escape the confines of the clockwork solar system by putting experimentation and mathematics at the heart of physical sciences including the celestial arena.

The alternative approach based on a balance between order and random does not reach for extremes nevertheless it has all the properties of complex and intricate relationships that some people are comfortable dealing with.










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Old August 30th 18, 09:24 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On 30/08/2018 08:42, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
A brief digression is necessary before presenting an alternative
balance centered around observations where natural forms are neither
ordered nor disordered as opposed to the impossible and the extreme
duality that entertain mathematicians and their followers concerning
geometry.

The non-periodicity of the arithmetic Pi represents the relationship
between diameter and circumference where a radius represents a new
diameter within this structure. In other words if you can create a
circumference from a diameter it holds that there is also a radius.
This was covered nearly two decades ago at a time when celebrity
physicists would show up in the newsgroups -

(John Baez) wrote in message
...
In article , Oriel36
wrote something like:

For those who prize logic, this Planck length is the funniest
thing; seeing that this thread covers a wide range of groups it
is worthwhile posting a simple geometric refutation.

Draw a circumference around a Planck length, the circumference
being of course 3.141 times greater than the length, if you can
determine a circumference you can also determine a radius which
is half the original length and from this discrete length you
begin again constructing a circumference around this half Planck
length.

What you get geometrically is a form of the Zeno paradox and you
guys take the Planck length seriously!


[Actually this sort of argument goes back to the "Mutakallimun",
Jewish and Islamic philosopher/theologians of the 10th and 11th
centuries AD. Many of these were very fond of atomism, taking it
beyond Democritus to argue that *everything* was made of discrete
units - even space and time. Others brought forth certain
paradoxes to disprove this. John Baez]"



There is no lower limit to length otherwise Pi would possess a
periodic arithmetic or geometry would disappear altogether as a
discipline. Two decades on from pointing this out and with a much
softer overview of how the narrative developed I can't say I feel
sorry for mathematicians but I do realise that it was a time when
academics were trying to escape the confines of the clockwork solar
system by putting experimentation and mathematics at the heart of
physical sciences including the celestial arena.

The alternative approach based on a balance between order and random
does not reach for extremes nevertheless it has all the properties of
complex and intricate relationships that some people are comfortable
dealing with.


You have a wonderful way with word salad. Your utterances are invariant
under the application of the Shannonizer which is very unusual. Most
people manage to communicate something in their Usenet postings.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
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Old August 30th 18, 09:45 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 9:24:16 AM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:


You have a wonderful way with word salad. Your utterances are invariant
under the application of the Shannonizer which is very unusual. Most
people manage to communicate something in their Usenet postings.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown


Coming from someone who can't manage to correlate one sunrise and one sunset each 24 hour day with one 360 degree rotation of the Earth I would say that your usual declarations have all the effects of a breeze on a mountain.

" It is a fact not generally known that,owing to the difference between solar and sidereal time,the Earth rotates upon its axis once more often than there are days in the year" NASA /Harvard

Anyway, back to the topic, despite the nonsense of mathematicians there is no lower or higher geometric limit in nature, at least not without destroying the ordered/random balance contained within the Pi value and its geometric relation between circumference, diameter and radius. It is this ordered/random balance that surfaces more as the Phi proportion in nature than concerns people who enjoy where it emerges throughout existence in small and large objects -

http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted...ci/fibnat.html


This is far removed from the wave/particle duality crap that is a pathetic assault on geometry and reason and the fact that lower geometric limits by which the quantum voodoo merchants operate are so easily dismissed is good news for everyone else and especially observers of terrestrial sciences and the celestial arena.



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Old August 30th 18, 01:14 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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It would be nice if these nuisances kept to themselves or fu)ked off to sci..astro.research where they can be among their own where zero astronomy is practised unlike here where,at least, the magnification hobby sometimes shows itself.

Relativity and quantum voodoo are impossible notions, one is supposed to deal with motions too fast for normal human perception or the other the ultra small which is also beyond human perception. The whole thing is packaged as astronomy but is just noise that gives a few academics a self aggrandizing lifestyle and their followers who know no better.

Too dull and dour to be of any use, it is easier to post information here and leave the intellectual equivalent of 'brexiteers' and their wishful thinking to their own devices along with the usual colonists who know no better..

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Old August 30th 18, 07:50 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 1:42:57 AM UTC-6, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

There is no lower limit to length otherwise Pi would possess a periodic arithmetic or geometry would disappear altogether as a discipline.


There is no geometrical lower limit to length.

But it does not follow that there is no physical lower limit to length. Euclidean
geometry might not correspond, in this respect, to the physical world - just as
its lack of intrinsic curvature is contradicted wherever gravity is present.

John Savard
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Old August 30th 18, 09:19 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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The ordered/random balance in the Pi proportion has limited use other than breaking any perceived upper or lower geometric limit including the number of sides that begin with an evolution from a triangle then square then pentagon, hexagon and the tendency towards a perfect circle.

The Phi proportion is a more productive ground for investigation for the four angles that create non periodic balance act like geometric DNA for something exquisite. Although they are presented as rhombs, much like chemicals in DNA, it is their interaction that matters -

http://www.scienceu.com/geometry/art...nrosetiles.gif


http://www.math.ubc.ca/~cass/courses...omb%20tile.gif


Easier to work with the relevance of this fivefold symmetry as angles rather than their physical equivalent of quasicrystals. I had found a geometry where the angles point towards the reason why the Phi proportion resonates with both efficiency and beauty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Quasicrystal


People who have spent their lives turning astronomy and terrestrial sciences on their head would always be prevented from engaging with the narrative where the ordered/random balance prevails and this planet is always saturated with this geometry.




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Old August 31st 18, 07:34 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Quasicrystal

About 28 years ago I was faced with a geometric representation anchored in the 432 degree value. At first I considered the 'black hole' solution in terms of infinite density/zero volume but the SN1987A event changed all that -

http://cdn.spacetelescope.org/archiv...n/opo9714e.jpg

This assumes that not all stars fade away after a supernova event but rather a supernova represents a transition phase that gives birth to a solar system. It puts humanity in a closer relationship to our parent star in terms of stellar and planetary evolution by inference derived from the structure of the SN1987A structure.

Whether quasicrystal growth or stellar evolution, creation has a common thread to it in geometric form so while stellar evolution remains one of the bright spots in academic circles there is no mechanism to explain SN1987A rings in context of stellar evolution nor antecedent supernova stars like Eta Carinae -

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...EtaCarinae.jpg


I am comfortable with meshing small and large scale structures together under a common geometric principle unlike the handwringing of the pseudo-intellectual pursuit of relativity/quantum notions which is preposterous in content and character.

 




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