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"Herb Schaltegger" lid
wrote in message ... gay folks should learn to screw straight people and learn to like it? Usani! His sails unfurled! -- If you have had problems with Illinois Student Assistance Commission (ISAC), please contact shredder at bellsouth dot net. There may be a class-action lawsuit in the works. |
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"Scott Hedrick" ) writes:
"Andre Lieven" wrote in message ... On gay marriage, I'm against it. For this reason. When you decide to change one qualification of what consistutes a legal marriage ( I'm completely tabling religious marriage, thats not related to the legal rights and obligations issues ), what mix of sexes is required, on what consistant basis is one left with, to deny other qualification changes, to groups who may want them. Like, age limits, and numbers of spouses legally recognised, to name but two. Or species- one you start, then eventually someone is going to want to marry their dog. Indeed. Now, another thing I don't like is *automatic* common law marriage, where due to no specific actions to legalise a relationship, a couple ends up in the legal territory of being married, even though they never bought a license, etc.. This is pretty much gone. In Florida, for example, a common law marriage must have been initiated prior to 1968 to be valid. True, but there are jurisdictions where it does kick in automatically. For that matter, such things are also used to make men who didn't have their own kids with a wife, but who care care and support to her kids, pay CS for those kids, after the marriage ends. My view of this issue, is but a part of my view of the whole area of marital laws. So, I figured that I should give some of that context. Andre -- " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " The Man Prayer, Red Green. |
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"Mary Shafer" wrote ...
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:55:00 -0000, "Paul Blay" wrote: Should siblings where one partner has voluntarily been sterilised be able to marry? I'd be very hesitant to say "yes" but the only reason I've got for saying "no" is my strong suspicion that such relationships are mostly likely damaging psychologically to the parties involved. In California, first cousins are allowed to marry if the woman is over some age, I think fifty. I know such a couple. No concern in the law about psychological factors (but cousins aren't sibs). As you say, in the part I snipped, it's reproduction. Concerning which, 'first cousins' probably isn't such a good idea. (At least according to recent studies on health vs degrees of relatedness). Even second, third may have statistically significant drawbacks. |
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"Herb Schaltegger" wrote ...
Andre Lieven wrote: That their chosen failure to qualify, doesn't leave them with a " right " that they chose to not qualify for. Period. Again, you imply that sexual preferenec and orientation are a choice. There are few psychological or psychiatric experts who would agree with that. Or biologists. (Try http://www.google.com/search?q=%22tw...+homosexuality sometime ;-) |
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Scott Hedrick wrote: "Herb Schaltegger" lid wrote in message ... gay folks should learn to screw straight people and learn to like it? Usani! His sails unfurled! "Fire Island, where the pants fell down!" |
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"Herb Schaltegger" wrote ...
What the heck are you trying to say, Andre? That gay folks should learn to screw straight people and learn to like it? That's no problem. Bit hard on the straight people though don't you think? |
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Andre Lieven wrote:
(snipped lots of stuff, some relevent, some not) Have some kids then we'll talk further if necessary. It would help if you ALSO go through a divorce resulting in single-parenthood (even if just temporarily). Ideally you'd do all the above in addition to some serious, graduate-level study of U.S. Constitutional law (if you want to advocate the position that sexual preference discrimination is and should remain acceptable under the U.S. Constitution). Then we'd see how firmly-wed you really are to some of your beliefs. Since none of that will happen anytime soon, there doesn't seem to be much point in continuing to argue about it. -- Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D. Reformed Aerospace Engineer Remove invalid nonsense for email. |
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Pat Flannery wrote:
Scott Hedrick wrote: "Herb Schaltegger" lid wrote in message ... gay folks should learn to screw straight people and learn to like it? Usani! His sails unfurled! "Fire Island, where the pants fell down!" My step-brother's mom and her husband (his step-dad) had a beach house on Fire Island in the late-70's/early-80's. It was quite an interesting place (although not nearly as completely-gay as you'd think). I WILL say, however, that many of the houses were EXTREMELY tidy and well-decorated . . .. ;-) -- Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D. Reformed Aerospace Engineer Remove invalid nonsense for email. |
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Andre Lieven wrote:
Chris Jones ) writes: I've given you my definition of rights (what a state provides). What's yours? Things that accrue to people, regardless of whether or not they've done anything towards their personal gaining. IE: A driver's licence is *not* a right. One must do specific, and optional to the living of a life, to get one. One need not do anything to get the protection of one's nation's Constitution, in order to get those. Thats the difference. That's not the correct characterization under U.S. law. Rights are essentially ANYTHING not prohibited or infringed by powers specifically granted to the federal government or to the States. Specific rights are ALSO granted in the Bill of Rights but that is NOT an exclusive list. Some freedoms and rights necessarily imply others - for example, many argue (very persuasively) that the freedom of speech and of assembly imply a freedom to travel; drivers' license laws in the U.S. fall somewhat short of "rights" but they are certainly more important that mere "allowances" or dispensations from state governments. -- Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D. Reformed Aerospace Engineer Remove invalid nonsense for email. |
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Paul Blay wrote:
"Mary Shafer" wrote ... On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:55:00 -0000, "Paul Blay" wrote: Should siblings where one partner has voluntarily been sterilised be able to marry? I'd be very hesitant to say "yes" but the only reason I've got for saying "no" is my strong suspicion that such relationships are mostly likely damaging psychologically to the parties involved. In California, first cousins are allowed to marry if the woman is over some age, I think fifty. I know such a couple. No concern in the law about psychological factors (but cousins aren't sibs). As you say, in the part I snipped, it's reproduction. Concerning which, 'first cousins' probably isn't such a good idea. (At least according to recent studies on health vs degrees of relatedness). Even second, third may have statistically significant drawbacks. Actually, that's not true. Recent studies done by the National Society of Genetic Counselors showed very little increase in the risk of genetic defect for offspring of first cousins. See http://depts.washington.edu/mednews/vol16/no15/cousins.html for a good summary. The risk for serious defect goes up by somewhere between 1.7% - 2.8% -- Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D. Reformed Aerospace Engineer Remove invalid nonsense for email. |
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