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Old November 2nd 06, 04:03 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
kenseto[_1_]
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Default The GPS second vs the ground clock second

The ground clock second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponds to the transition
between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133
atom.
The GPS second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation corresponds to the
transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the
cesium 133 atom.

What does this mean?
The answer: It means that 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation in
the ground frame has the duration (absolute time content) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation up at the GPS location.

This new interpretation is the reason why the ground observer and the
GPS observer will each measures the speed of light to be a constant
math ratio using his own clock second as follows:
Light path length of ruler (299,792,458 meters long physically)/the
duration (absolute time) content for a clock second co-moving with the
ruler.

This new defintion for the speed of light gives rise to a new theory of
relativity called IRT (Improved Relativity Theory). IRT includes SRT as
a subset. However, unlike SRT, the equations of IRT are valid in all
environments, including gravity. IRT is described in the paper entitled
"Unification of Physics" in the following website:
http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/index.htm

Ken Seto

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Old November 2nd 06, 10:28 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
Henri Wilson
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Default The GPS second vs the ground clock second

On 2 Nov 2006 07:03:42 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:

The ground clock second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponds to the transition
between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133
atom.
The GPS second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation corresponds to the
transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the
cesium 133 atom.

What does this mean?
The answer: It means that 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation in
the ground frame has the duration (absolute time content) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation up at the GPS location.


Bull****.
it simply means the clock rate increased slightly when the clock was sent into
a free fall situation.


This new interpretation is the reason why the ground observer and the
GPS observer will each measures the speed of light to be a constant
math ratio using his own clock second as follows:
Light path length of ruler (299,792,458 meters long physically)/the
duration (absolute time) content for a clock second co-moving with the
ruler.


Both observers measure the clock's rate to be the same. I told you why.

This new defintion for the speed of light gives rise to a new theory of
relativity called IRT (Improved Relativity Theory). IRT includes SRT as
a subset. However, unlike SRT, the equations of IRT are valid in all
environments, including gravity. IRT is described in the paper entitled
"Unification of Physics" in the following website:
http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/index.htm


****ing aetherists are worse than SRians.


Ken Seto



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Old November 3rd 06, 12:12 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Default The GPS second vs the ground clock second


Henri Wilson wrote:
On 2 Nov 2006 07:03:42 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:

The ground clock second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponds to the transition
between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133
atom.
The GPS second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation corresponds to the
transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the
cesium 133 atom.

What does this mean?
The answer: It means that 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation in
the ground frame has the duration (absolute time content) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation up at the GPS location.


Bull****.
it simply means the clock rate increased slightly when the clock was sent into
a free fall situation.


Why is it the rate of a clock is observed to change when it is moved?

Why is it the rate of a clock is observed to be different if it is
merely higher or lower than another clock?

Why does Henri Wilson feel the need to forge evidence for having a
degree in physics?

[...]

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Old November 3rd 06, 02:43 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Henri Wilson wrote:
On 2 Nov 2006 07:03:42 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:

The ground clock second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponds to the transition
between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133
atom.
The GPS second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation corresponds to the
transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the
cesium 133 atom.

What does this mean?
The answer: It means that 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation in
the ground frame has the duration (absolute time content) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation up at the GPS location.


Bull****.
it simply means the clock rate increased slightly when the clock was sent into
a free fall situation.


Your statement is bull ****. There is no such thing as free fall.


This new interpretation is the reason why the ground observer and the
GPS observer will each measures the speed of light to be a constant
math ratio using his own clock second as follows:
Light path length of ruler (299,792,458 meters long physically)/the
duration (absolute time) content for a clock second co-moving with the
ruler.


Both observers measure the clock's rate to be the same. I told you why.


You ignorant sack of ****.....if both clock's rate are measured to be
the same then how come they have to adjust the GPS clock by 38 us/day
running too fast??

This new defintion for the speed of light gives rise to a new theory of
relativity called IRT (Improved Relativity Theory). IRT includes SRT as
a subset. However, unlike SRT, the equations of IRT are valid in all
environments, including gravity. IRT is described in the paper entitled
"Unification of Physics" in the following website:
http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/index.htm


****ing aetherists are worse than SRians.


****ing idiot.

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Old November 3rd 06, 09:32 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
Henri Wilson
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Default The GPS second vs the ground clock second

On 3 Nov 2006 05:43:26 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:


Henri Wilson wrote:
On 2 Nov 2006 07:03:42 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:

The ground clock second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponds to the transition
between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133
atom.
The GPS second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation corresponds to the
transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the
cesium 133 atom.

What does this mean?
The answer: It means that 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation in
the ground frame has the duration (absolute time content) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation up at the GPS location.


Bull****.
it simply means the clock rate increased slightly when the clock was sent into
a free fall situation.


Your statement is bull ****. There is no such thing as free fall.


Free fall is the natural state of anything, you stupid ****ing aetherist....

This new interpretation is the reason why the ground observer and the
GPS observer will each measures the speed of light to be a constant
math ratio using his own clock second as follows:
Light path length of ruler (299,792,458 meters long physically)/the
duration (absolute time) content for a clock second co-moving with the
ruler.


Both observers measure the clock's rate to be the same. I told you why.


You ignorant sack of ****.....if both clock's rate are measured to be
the same then how come they have to adjust the GPS clock by 38 us/day
running too fast??


Because the ****ing clock physically changes when launched of course.

This new defintion for the speed of light gives rise to a new theory of
relativity called IRT (Improved Relativity Theory). IRT includes SRT as
a subset. However, unlike SRT, the equations of IRT are valid in all
environments, including gravity. IRT is described in the paper entitled
"Unification of Physics" in the following website:
http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/index.htm


****ing aetherists are worse than SRians.


****ing idiot.



HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

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Old November 3rd 06, 11:09 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Henri Wilson wrote:
On 3 Nov 2006 05:43:26 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:


Henri Wilson wrote:
On 2 Nov 2006 07:03:42 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:

The ground clock second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponds to the transition
between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133
atom.
The GPS second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation corresponds to the
transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the
cesium 133 atom.

What does this mean?
The answer: It means that 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation in
the ground frame has the duration (absolute time content) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation up at the GPS location.

Bull****.
it simply means the clock rate increased slightly when the clock was sent into
a free fall situation.


Your statement is bull ****. There is no such thing as free fall.


Free fall is the natural state of anything, you stupid ****ing aetherist....

This new interpretation is the reason why the ground observer and the
GPS observer will each measures the speed of light to be a constant
math ratio using his own clock second as follows:
Light path length of ruler (299,792,458 meters long physically)/the
duration (absolute time) content for a clock second co-moving with the
ruler.

Both observers measure the clock's rate to be the same. I told you why.


You ignorant sack of ****.....if both clock's rate are measured to be
the same then how come they have to adjust the GPS clock by 38 us/day
running too fast??


Because the ****ing clock physically changes when launched of course.


Hey idiot if the launched clock is physically changed why did you
asserted that the GPS clock and the ground clock are running at the
same rate?

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Old November 4th 06, 05:55 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Default The GPS second vs the ground clock second

In sci.physics.relativity, HW@..(Henri Wilson)
HW@
wrote
on Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:32:36 GMT
:
On 3 Nov 2006 05:43:26 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:


Henri Wilson wrote:
On 2 Nov 2006 07:03:42 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:

The ground clock second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponds to the transition
between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133
atom.
The GPS second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation corresponds to the
transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the
cesium 133 atom.

What does this mean?
The answer: It means that 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation in
the ground frame has the duration (absolute time content) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation up at the GPS location.

Bull****.
it simply means the clock rate increased slightly when the clock was sent into
a free fall situation.


Your statement is bull ****. There is no such thing as free fall.


Free fall is the natural state of anything, you stupid ****ing aetherist....


Not if it's touching the ground.

I'm not quite sure how to characterize this properly, but
the ground is exerting a force on the clock; this force
is sufficient to ensure that the clock stays motionless
with respect to the ground.

As for the clock exerting a force on the ground --
best I can do there is that space is curved, imparting a
natural acceleration to both clock and ground. However,
the ground, since it's attached to all of the other ground
(plus mantle, core, and the other bits of Earth), isn't
going to collapse therefrom.

This is, of course, a GR characterization; Newton
characterized gravity as a force.


This new interpretation is the reason why the ground observer and the
GPS observer will each measures the speed of light to be a constant
math ratio using his own clock second as follows:
Light path length of ruler (299,792,458 meters long physically)/the
duration (absolute time) content for a clock second co-moving with the
ruler.

Both observers measure the clock's rate to be the same. I told you why.


You ignorant sack of ****.....if both clock's rate are measured to be
the same then how come they have to adjust the GPS clock by 38 us/day
running too fast??


Because the ****ing clock physically changes when launched of course.


An interesting notion, a clock going through the motions of
reproduction. :-)

In any event, Kenseto now has defined two time units:

ground-second -- 9192631770 vibrations of a ground-based Cs133 atom.

orbit-second -- 9192631774.4647 vibrations of an orbiting Cs133 atom.

Since these are clearly the same time interval (by observation)
the Cs133 atom must be defective when boosted... :-)


This new defintion for the speed of light gives rise to a new theory of
relativity called IRT (Improved Relativity Theory). IRT includes SRT as
a subset. However, unlike SRT, the equations of IRT are valid in all
environments, including gravity. IRT is described in the paper entitled
"Unification of Physics" in the following website:
http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/index.htm

****ing aetherists are worse than SRians.


****ing idiot.



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Old November 4th 06, 09:06 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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On 3 Nov 2006 14:09:14 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:


Henri Wilson wrote:
On 3 Nov 2006 05:43:26 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:


Henri Wilson wrote:
On 2 Nov 2006 07:03:42 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:

The ground clock second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponds to the transition
between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133
atom.
The GPS second is defined as the duration (absolute time) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation corresponds to the
transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the
cesium 133 atom.

What does this mean?
The answer: It means that 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation in
the ground frame has the duration (absolute time content) of
9,192,631,774.4647 periods of the radiation up at the GPS location.

Bull****.
it simply means the clock rate increased slightly when the clock was sent into
a free fall situation.

Your statement is bull ****. There is no such thing as free fall.


Free fall is the natural state of anything, you stupid ****ing aetherist....

This new interpretation is the reason why the ground observer and the
GPS observer will each measures the speed of light to be a constant
math ratio using his own clock second as follows:
Light path length of ruler (299,792,458 meters long physically)/the
duration (absolute time) content for a clock second co-moving with the
ruler.

Both observers measure the clock's rate to be the same. I told you why.

You ignorant sack of ****.....if both clock's rate are measured to be
the same then how come they have to adjust the GPS clock by 38 us/day
running too fast??


Because the ****ing clock physically changes when launched of course.


Hey idiot if the launched clock is physically changed why did you
asserted that the GPS clock and the ground clock are running at the
same rate?


I ****ing didn't.

I said the GPS clock runs at N ticks per OO orbit on the ground then N+n ticks
per orbit when it joins the OO in the same orbit.

'n' can have any value depending on the clock.

GR and your stupid aether theories have nothing to do with this.



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Old November 4th 06, 09:12 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
Henri Wilson
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:55:41 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:

In sci.physics.relativity, HW@..(Henri Wilson)
HW@
wrote
on Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:32:36 GMT
:
On 3 Nov 2006 05:43:26 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:



Your statement is bull ****. There is no such thing as free fall.


Free fall is the natural state of anything, you stupid ****ing aetherist....


Not if it's touching the ground.


Touching something is not 'natural' Ghost.

I'm not quite sure how to characterize this properly, but
the ground is exerting a force on the clock; this force
is sufficient to ensure that the clock stays motionless
with respect to the ground.


Basic school physics Ghost.


As for the clock exerting a force on the ground --
best I can do there is that space is curved, imparting a
natural acceleration to both clock and ground. However,
the ground, since it's attached to all of the other ground
(plus mantle, core, and the other bits of Earth), isn't
going to collapse therefrom.


In what and wrt what is your space curved, Ghost?


This is, of course, a GR characterization; Newton
characterized gravity as a force.


It IS a force.

What is causes charges to attract, Ghost. Is it the same curved space?


You ignorant sack of ****.....if both clock's rate are measured to be
the same then how come they have to adjust the GPS clock by 38 us/day
running too fast??


Because the ****ing clock physically changes when launched of course.


An interesting notion, a clock going through the motions of
reproduction. :-)

In any event, Kenseto now has defined two time units:

ground-second -- 9192631770 vibrations of a ground-based Cs133 atom.

orbit-second -- 9192631774.4647 vibrations of an orbiting Cs133 atom.

Since these are clearly the same time interval (by observation)
the Cs133 atom must be defective when boosted... :-)


That's not surprising. I would be very surprised if the cesium clock remained
the same when relieved of gravity and when made to cut the Earth's fields at
3770 m/s.



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Old November 4th 06, 09:41 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro
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Default The GPS second vs the ground clock second


Henri Wilson wrote:
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:55:41 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:

In sci.physics.relativity, HW@..(Henri Wilson)
HW@
wrote
on Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:32:36 GMT
:
On 3 Nov 2006 05:43:26 -0800, "kenseto" wrote:



Your statement is bull ****. There is no such thing as free fall.

Free fall is the natural state of anything, you stupid ****ing aetherist....


Not if it's touching the ground.


Touching something is not 'natural' Ghost.

I'm not quite sure how to characterize this properly, but
the ground is exerting a force on the clock; this force
is sufficient to ensure that the clock stays motionless
with respect to the ground.


Basic school physics Ghost.


As for the clock exerting a force on the ground --
best I can do there is that space is curved, imparting a
natural acceleration to both clock and ground. However,
the ground, since it's attached to all of the other ground
(plus mantle, core, and the other bits of Earth), isn't
going to collapse therefrom.


In what and wrt what is your space curved, Ghost?


This is, of course, a GR characterization; Newton
characterized gravity as a force.


It IS a force.

What is causes charges to attract, Ghost. Is it the same curved space?


You ignorant sack of ****.....if both clock's rate are measured to be
the same then how come they have to adjust the GPS clock by 38 us/day
running too fast??

Because the ****ing clock physically changes when launched of course.


An interesting notion, a clock going through the motions of
reproduction. :-)

In any event, Kenseto now has defined two time units:

ground-second -- 9192631770 vibrations of a ground-based Cs133 atom.

orbit-second -- 9192631774.4647 vibrations of an orbiting Cs133 atom.

Since these are clearly the same time interval (by observation)
the Cs133 atom must be defective when boosted... :-)


That's not surprising. I would be very surprised if the cesium clock remained
the same when relieved of gravity and when made to cut the Earth's fields at
3770 m/s.


More "cutting fields" bull**** that you cannot, if your life depended
on it, quantify.

C'mon Henri, are you going to spend another decade spewing word salad
or are you actually going to do some physics?




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