MAN AS OLD AS COAL -- Evidence Galore!!

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 00:42:24 +0000 (UTC), Augray
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:29:24 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
wrote in
:



NOTICE: The talk.origins newsgroup is blackballing this posting --
not allowing it to appear -- contrary to its charter and bylaws. This
posting is indeed ON TOPIC but apparently has created too much
heat in its kitchen.

Then why did it show up?

It only appeared AFTER the above notation. Three times previously
posted, it flew to the neighboring galaxy. But suddenly talk.origins
began running scared.

[snip]

This is an underground mining map showing coal veins
that were vioently disrupted, and where most of the fossils
(below) came from.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Fossils/MVC-033S.JPG

Why are you the only person to interpret the map this way?

[snip]

And Earnest Hooton, longtime professor of anthropology at Harvard
University, seconded the motion years later in his book, "Apes, Men
and Morons," citing the absence of undeniable physical evidence.

"I can point to many anatomical
features of man in which the known
courses of evolution can be explained
plausibly by the theory of natural
selection, but I do not know of one
in which it can be proved."

But he also wrote that:

For myself, a naive physical anthropologist, the way still seems
comparatively straight and plain. I adhere to the old-fashioned
belief that the more numerous and detailed the resemblances
between two animals the closer the relationship between them.
Effect of similarity or difference of habitus can not obscure
man's fundamental likeness to the great anthropoid apes, and
especially to the gorilla and the chimpanzee. I therefore persist
in the opinion that these two apes are our nearest collateral
relatives...

- Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 74.

And earlier on, he wrote that

As I have said, I am not concerned with the eternal verities of
religion, but only with its temporal utility. Hence it has
seemed to me in every respect desirable that systems of
religious belief and practice be harmonized with the scientific
facts and probabilities of the evolutionary theory. And I am
not aware that unsurmountable difficulties have been
encountered by Christian scholars in such harmonization.

- Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 7.

Tell me Ed, if there is "evidence galore", why do you feel the need to
lie about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton?

[Snip the rest]

augray:

I said before and I'll say again, you -- Jon Barber, previously known
in talk.origins as gen2rev -- are on the payroll of the Scientific
Establishment.

You AND Attorney David Sienkiewicz.

Probably a few others as well.

It means American tax dollars are being used to perpetuate
a myth -- the evolution of man -- that has warped the mind of men,
and warping the mind of children.

Your accusations, and Sienkiewicz', of dishonesty by me doesn't
ave a dog's leg to stand on.

Everything the good folks jhave read here is the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth.

Your anthropological community, headed by the Smithsonian
Institution, is a conspiracy utilizing deceit, deception and
dishonesty.

It is a black eye to the sacred name Science and belongs in
a sewer. Even the sewer would clothespin its nose, that's how bad
you smell.

Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com

Man as Old as Coal
(as much as you and Stinky don't like it)

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:52:12 +0000 (UTC), "Ken Rode"
wrote:

snip crosspost/

"Ed Conrad" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 00:42:24 +0000 (UTC), Augray
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:29:24 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
wrote in
:



NOTICE: The talk.origins newsgroup is blackballing this posting --
not allowing it to appear -- contrary to its charter and bylaws. This
posting is indeed ON TOPIC but apparently has created too much
heat in its kitchen.

Then why did it show up?

[snip]

This is an underground mining map showing coal veins
that were vioently disrupted, and where most of the fossils
(below) came from.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Fossils/MVC-033S.JPG

Why are you the only person to interpret the map this way?

[snip]

And Earnest Hooton, longtime professor of anthropology at Harvard
University, seconded the motion years later in his book, "Apes, Men
and Morons," citing the absence of undeniable physical evidence.

"I can point to many anatomical
features of man in which the known
courses of evolution can be explained
plausibly by the theory of natural
selection, but I do not know of one
in which it can be proved."

But he also wrote that:

For myself, a naive physical anthropologist, the way still seems
comparatively straight and plain. I adhere to the old-fashioned
belief that the more numerous and detailed the resemblances
between two animals the closer the relationship between them.
Effect of similarity or difference of habitus can not obscure
man's fundamental likeness to the great anthropoid apes, and
especially to the gorilla and the chimpanzee. I therefore persist
in the opinion that these two apes are our nearest collateral
relatives...

- Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 74.

And earlier on, he wrote that

As I have said, I am not concerned with the eternal verities of
religion, but only with its temporal utility. Hence it has
seemed to me in every respect desirable that systems of
religious belief and practice be harmonized with the scientific
facts and probabilities of the evolutionary theory. And I am
not aware that unsurmountable difficulties have been
encountered by Christian scholars in such harmonization.

- Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 7.

Tell me Ed, if there is "evidence galore", why do you feel the need to
lie about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton?

[Snip the rest]

augray:

I said before and I'll say again, you -- Jon Barber, previously known
in talk.origins as gen2rev -- are on the payroll of the Scientific
Establishment.

You AND Attorney David Sienkiewicz.

Probably a few others as well.

It means American tax dollars are being used to perpetuate
a myth -- the evolution of man -- that has warped the mind of men,
and warping the mind of children.

Your accusations, and Sienkiewicz', of dishonesty by me doesn't
ave a dog's leg to stand on.

Everything the good folks jhave read here is the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth.

Your anthropological community, headed by the Smithsonian
Institution, is a conspiracy utilizing deceit, deception and
dishonesty.

It is a black eye to the sacred name Science and belongs in
a sewer. Even the sewer would clothespin its nose, that's how bad
you smell.

Good try, Ed. I'll give you credit for responding to augray. Please try to
answer his questions, though. It'll help make you appear to be rational. Try
the one about your lying about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton. He's been
asking that for quite some time now, and I'll admit to being curious about
the answer.


I can tell the difference between men and morons.

Screw augray (and Atty. Stinky).
..
Let the Smithsonian start asking questions. Then he'll
get his answers, and a lot more than he bargained for.

Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com

[In the message I'm replying to, followups were set to
sci.anthropology.paleo]

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:28:18 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
wrote in
:

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:52:12 +0000 (UTC), "Ken Rode"
wrote:

snip crosspost/

"Ed Conrad" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 00:42:24 +0000 (UTC), Augray
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:29:24 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
wrote in
:



NOTICE: The talk.origins newsgroup is blackballing this posting --
not allowing it to appear -- contrary to its charter and bylaws. This
posting is indeed ON TOPIC but apparently has created too much
heat in its kitchen.

Then why did it show up?

[snip]

This is an underground mining map showing coal veins
that were vioently disrupted, and where most of the fossils
(below) came from.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Fossils/MVC-033S.JPG

Why are you the only person to interpret the map this way?

[snip]

And Earnest Hooton, longtime professor of anthropology at Harvard
University, seconded the motion years later in his book, "Apes, Men
and Morons," citing the absence of undeniable physical evidence.

"I can point to many anatomical
features of man in which the known
courses of evolution can be explained
plausibly by the theory of natural
selection, but I do not know of one
in which it can be proved."

But he also wrote that:

For myself, a naive physical anthropologist, the way still seems
comparatively straight and plain. I adhere to the old-fashioned
belief that the more numerous and detailed the resemblances
between two animals the closer the relationship between them.
Effect of similarity or difference of habitus can not obscure
man's fundamental likeness to the great anthropoid apes, and
especially to the gorilla and the chimpanzee. I therefore persist
in the opinion that these two apes are our nearest collateral
relatives...

- Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 74.

And earlier on, he wrote that

As I have said, I am not concerned with the eternal verities of
religion, but only with its temporal utility. Hence it has
seemed to me in every respect desirable that systems of
religious belief and practice be harmonized with the scientific
facts and probabilities of the evolutionary theory. And I am
not aware that unsurmountable difficulties have been
encountered by Christian scholars in such harmonization.

- Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 7.

Tell me Ed, if there is "evidence galore", why do you feel the need to
lie about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton?

[Snip the rest]

augray:

I said before and I'll say again, you -- Jon Barber, previously known
in talk.origins as gen2rev -- are on the payroll of the Scientific
Establishment.

You AND Attorney David Sienkiewicz.

Probably a few others as well.

It means American tax dollars are being used to perpetuate
a myth -- the evolution of man -- that has warped the mind of men,
and warping the mind of children.

Your accusations, and Sienkiewicz', of dishonesty by me doesn't
ave a dog's leg to stand on.

Everything the good folks jhave read here is the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth.

Your anthropological community, headed by the Smithsonian
Institution, is a conspiracy utilizing deceit, deception and
dishonesty.

It is a black eye to the sacred name Science and belongs in
a sewer. Even the sewer would clothespin its nose, that's how bad
you smell.

Good try, Ed. I'll give you credit for responding to augray. Please try to
answer his questions, though. It'll help make you appear to be rational. Try
the one about your lying about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton. He's been
asking that for quite some time now, and I'll admit to being curious about
the answer.


I can tell the difference between men and morons.

But for some reason you choose to act like the latter.


Screw augray (and Atty. Stinky).
.
Let the Smithsonian start asking questions. Then he'll
get his answers, and a lot more than he bargained for.

The Smithsonian has no unanswered questions, but I do. Why do you lie
about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton? Are you afraid of the truth?


Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:41:22 +0000 (UTC), "Ken Rode"
wrote:

redirected to talk.origins

Good try, Ed. I'll give you credit for responding to augray. Please try
to
answer his questions, though. It'll help make you appear to be rational.
Try
the one about your lying about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton. He's been
asking that for quite some time now, and I'll admit to being curious
about
the answer.


I can tell the difference between men and morons.

Screw augray (and Atty. Stinky).
.
Let the Smithsonian start asking questions. Then he'll
get his answers, and a lot more than he bargained for.


What the hell does this mean, Ed? Are you seriously suggesting that the only
questions that you will answer have to come from organizations that you
despise? What kind of sense does that make?

There's an old saying. If you want to convince anyone, you have to convince
someone.

Here I am, Ed. Convince me.

How's this?
Apes, Men and MORONS!

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:00:09 +0000 (UTC), Augray
wrote:

[In the message I'm replying to, followups were set to
sci.anthropology.paleo]

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:28:18 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
wrote in
:

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:52:12 +0000 (UTC), "Ken Rode"
wrote:

snip crosspost/

"Ed Conrad" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 00:42:24 +0000 (UTC), Augray
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:29:24 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
wrote in
:



NOTICE: The talk.origins newsgroup is blackballing this posting --
not allowing it to appear -- contrary to its charter and bylaws. This
posting is indeed ON TOPIC but apparently has created too much
heat in its kitchen.

Then why did it show up?

[snip]

This is an underground mining map showing coal veins
that were vioently disrupted, and where most of the fossils
(below) came from.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Fossils/MVC-033S.JPG

Why are you the only person to interpret the map this way?

[snip]

And Earnest Hooton, longtime professor of anthropology at Harvard
University, seconded the motion years later in his book, "Apes, Men
and Morons," citing the absence of undeniable physical evidence.

"I can point to many anatomical
features of man in which the known
courses of evolution can be explained
plausibly by the theory of natural
selection, but I do not know of one
in which it can be proved."

But he also wrote that:

For myself, a naive physical anthropologist, the way still seems
comparatively straight and plain. I adhere to the old-fashioned
belief that the more numerous and detailed the resemblances
between two animals the closer the relationship between them.
Effect of similarity or difference of habitus can not obscure
man's fundamental likeness to the great anthropoid apes, and
especially to the gorilla and the chimpanzee. I therefore persist
in the opinion that these two apes are our nearest collateral
relatives...

- Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 74.

And earlier on, he wrote that

As I have said, I am not concerned with the eternal verities of
religion, but only with its temporal utility. Hence it has
seemed to me in every respect desirable that systems of
religious belief and practice be harmonized with the scientific
facts and probabilities of the evolutionary theory. And I am
not aware that unsurmountable difficulties have been
encountered by Christian scholars in such harmonization.

- Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 7.

Tell me Ed, if there is "evidence galore", why do you feel the need to
lie about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton?

[Snip the rest]

augray:

I said before and I'll say again, you -- Jon Barber, previously known
in talk.origins as gen2rev -- are on the payroll of the Scientific
Establishment.

You AND Attorney David Sienkiewicz.

Probably a few others as well.

It means American tax dollars are being used to perpetuate
a myth -- the evolution of man -- that has warped the mind of men,
and warping the mind of children.

Your accusations, and Sienkiewicz', of dishonesty by me doesn't
ave a dog's leg to stand on.

Everything the good folks jhave read here is the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth.

Your anthropological community, headed by the Smithsonian
Institution, is a conspiracy utilizing deceit, deception and
dishonesty.

It is a black eye to the sacred name Science and belongs in
a sewer. Even the sewer would clothespin its nose, that's how bad
you smell.

Good try, Ed. I'll give you credit for responding to augray. Please try to
answer his questions, though. It'll help make you appear to be rational. Try
the one about your lying about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton. He's been
asking that for quite some time now, and I'll admit to being curious about
the answer.


I can tell the difference between men and morons.

But for some reason you choose to act like the latter.


Screw augray (and Atty. Stinky).
.
Let the Smithsonian start asking questions. Then he'll
get his answers, and a lot more than he bargained for.

The Smithsonian has no unanswered questions, but I do. Why do you lie
about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton? Are you afraid of the truth?

YOU should be -- every time you look in the mirror.

Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:25:16 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Ken Rode wrote:
snip crosspost/

"Ed Conrad" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 00:42:24 +0000 (UTC), Augray
wrote:

[snip]
augray:

I said before and I'll say again, you -- Jon Barber, previously known
in talk.origins as gen2rev -- are on the payroll of the Scientific
Establishment.

You AND Attorney David Sienkiewicz.

Probably a few others as well.

It means American tax dollars are being used to perpetuate
a myth -- the evolution of man -- that has warped the mind of men,
and warping the mind of children.

Ed, we all are. You are the only one not living in comfort from the income
we derive by denying the truth of your work and supporting Evolution.

I write this from a small boat lying just off Bahia de San Francisquito in
Baja.

SNIP

Mike, you're not the only one living high off the hog
at the expense of evolution. Why, some of your co-conspirators
have better lifestyles than you.

As for me, I'd rather be stuck home ticking away at the computer,
still battling the most monumental conspiracy against mankind.
I don't know hwere Bahia de San Francisquito is in Baja,
but I sort of wish, right now, it was 70 miles southeast of Miami.

Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com


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MAN AS OLD AS COAL
=====================================

PETRIFIED FINGER AND TOE:
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Au29/MVC-016S.JPG


http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-002S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-003S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-004S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-005S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-006S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-007S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-008S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-009S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-010S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-011S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-012S.JPG

All of the above petrified bones protruding from this slab of slate --
about four feet long -- was found in Pennsylvania's anthracite region.

http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/N...s/MVC-013S.JPG

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END OF THE MYTH OF MAN'S EVOLUTION

At long last, truth no longer is playing second fiddle to the fiction,
fantasy and fairy tales that have been dished out for more than a
century about man's origin and ancestry.

The end is near for its deceit, deception, collusion and conspiracy
that has long been perpetrated by arrogant, egotistical members of the
Scientific Establishment in and out of its hallowed Halls of Learning,
especially the Smithsonian Institution.

Their monumental hoax on mankind has more than met its match
with the discovery of undeniable physical evidence that,
multi-millions of years ago, the good earth wasn't anything like what
has long been depicted by the scientific community.

For one thing, man -- in almost our present form -- existed while
coal was being formed, and our ancestors lived alongside giant
scorpions, dinosaurs and beasts with six-inch-high canine teeth.

And man and animals had one thing in common. Both were
annihilated in some incredible catastrophe that blew them limb
from limb and scattered their bones, teeth and soft organs
in all directions.

This is an underground mining map showing coal veins
that were vioently disrupted, and where most of the fossils
(below) came from.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Fossils/MVC-033S.JPG

What happened next is a testament to the late, great Immanuel
Velikovsky who, more than a half-century ago, wrote that the true
story of earth's -- and man's -- past is written in the rocks, visible
for all to see as part of the fossil record.

Eons ago, before coal hardened, some sort of fluid engulfed the
bones, teeth and soft organs just after the great catastrophe, causing
them to petrifiy and now offering a mindboggling horror story of
mankind's far-distant past.

That man existed during the Carboniferous Period also offers
proof that we could not possibly have evolved as suggested
-- so erronously -- by the Darwin Theory.

Rightly so, because the theory of the evolution of man never
possessed a shred of physical evidence in the first place. It
was -- and is -- a sham.

Man could not -- and did not -- become such a magnificent machine
by a series of incredible accidents of nature because that's an
astronomical mathematical absurdity.

Even Charles Darwin had a sneaky suspicion his theory was full
of hot air.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/truth/tosuppose.gif

And Earnest Hooton, longtime professor of anthropology at Harvard
University, seconded the motion years later in his book, "Apes, Men
and Morons," citing the absence of undeniable physical evidence.

"I can point to many anatomical
features of man in which the known
courses of evolution can be explained
plausibly by the theory of natural
selection, but I do not know of one
in which it can be proved."

But, since we were spoon-fed such pablum -- the evolution of man --
by members of the omniscient Scientific Establishment, most of us
ate up every word. These pompous asses were neither to be
questioned nor challenged.

About a year after finding my first specimen of petrified bone between
coal veins in June 1981, I couldn't believe the incredible resistence
I was encountering in my pursuit of honest investigation.

My longtime friend, Clayton Lennon (1900-1996), warned me it
wouldn't be easy and one day, between puffs of his cigar,
summed up my despair quite eloquently .

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/coalbones/edyournot.gif

Meanwhile, as their noses continued to grow (from lies), so also
did the arrogance of members of the Scientific Establishment who
had long lost the goal of a search for truth. The only important thing
to them, I soon learned, was to make no waves and concentrate
on protecting their vested interests.

Over time, they had become incredibly ruthless and bold, really
believing that -- as members of Omnipotent Acadamia -- they could
do anything they damn well pleased and answer to no one.

Since I have had a ringside seat over these past 23 years, it has
included not only their denial of physical evidence that could --
would -- destroy the theory of the evolution of man but actually
tampering with that evidence.

And I have come right out and named names like, first and foremost,
The Smithsonian but also the University of Pennsylvania, Penn State
University, the University of California-Berkeley, Johns Hopkins
University, to menton just a few.

Then, with brass testicles, the "criminals" were actually belitting
the victim, with character assassination leveled like a Gatling gun.

And even worse, the assault on truth was adamantly defended by
their colleagues, and still is.

Fortunately, for your grandchildren and mine, that day is over.
The pseudoscientists' day of reckoning has finally arrived.

But it comes as no surprise. After all, they had been forewarned:

http://edconrad.com/canals/hooton.gif

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TRUTH FINALLY CATCHES UP TO THE PERPETRATORS
OF DECEIT, DECEPTION, COLLUSION AND CONSPIRACY

================================================== =

MAN AS OLD AS COAL
All Specimens Found Between Anthracite Veins

(Strata geologically dated at a minimum of 280 million years)

Here are just a few of the thousands upon thousands of specimens
of petrified bones, teeth and/or even soft organs -- some human --
that I have discovered between two separate anthracite veins
in Northeastern Pennsylvania over the past 23 years.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z11calv.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/z8femur.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/z5gall.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/newtibia.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/skullb.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/z9lung.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/brain/MVC-001S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/1tooth.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix3/z3dino.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/MVC-013F.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/pp/MVC-022S.JPG

Strange, according to scientific doctrine, they couldn't possibly
have been found in Carboniferous strata, dated at a minimum
of 280 million years.

You see, every scientific textbook insists that no large land
animals, let alone man, existed back then. Hell, man wouldn't begin
evolving until multi-millions of years later, the pseudos proclaimed.

But the incredible arsenal of petrified bones, teeth and even soft
organs proves -- beyond doubt -- that man and large land animals
indeed had been around when coal was being formed. Otherwise,
their mortal remains could not have been preserved between layers
of anthracite as the result of a catastrophe beyond our wildest
imagination.

And, since this is the grim evidence that a catastrophe happened
before, there is NO question that it could happen again.

Velikovsky provided evidence of catastrophes in his two books,
"Worlds in Collision" and "Earth in Upheaval," published back
in the early 1950s. In them, he offered undeniable evidence of
calamities beyond human comprehension but was ridiculed
and badmouthed by members of the deceitful, dishonest Scientific
Establishment.

Here's a copy of these two books, in paperback, and an explanation
why Velikovsky was treated with scorn and contempt, which is how
members of the Scientific Establishment have treated me for the last
23 years.

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http://edconrad.com/ebay/Petrifiedx/MVC-010S.JPG
http://edconrad.com/ebay/Petrifiedx/MVC-011S.JPG

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A longtime newspaperman, I figured -- realizing I was getting
the shaft from the Scientific Establishment -- I'd get a fair shake
from newspapers in an effort to tell my story.

I thought editors would be genuinely interested in what might've
sounded like a farfetched story, except that it was backed up by
petrified bones, teeth and soft organs as old as coal.

Reporters from the Allentown (Pa.) Call-Chronicle and Las Vegas
Sun, to mention just two, were greatly impressed. But when their
stories appeared in print, it took my breath away. The articles were
completely negative, making me look like that proverbial horse's
ass.

Naturally, there was nothing I could do about it, so I had to give up
on newspapers completely. I had long known the New York Times,
Washington Post and Philadelphia Inquirer wouldn't touch it because
they had several opportunities to do so but bowed to their vested
interests and ignored me.

Ditto for the TV network news shows like "60 Minutes."

For the longest time, it appeared the world would never know the truth
about the catastrophe that decimated both man and animal while coal
was being formed.

Then a miracle happened -- along came the Internet which gave me
a way to reach the pubic. But, of course, the public wasn't paying
attention because members of the Scientific Establishment kept making
me look like a fool and an imbecile.

And, if you recall, they had been doing a mighty fine job of it
for the longest time -- that is, until assembled the assortment of
petrified bones, teeth and soft organs (some human).

That's when members of the Scientific Establishment got the second
biggest shock of their lives, dwarfed only by the second jet plowing
into the Twin Towers.

Suddenly overnight, with the presentation of an arsenal of physical
evidence, the ridicule and character assassination have eased
somewhat.

Suddenly, their cannons had ran out of ammunition, accusations that
I'm a liar and a fraud.

Suddenly, these Clown Princes of Science -- long having made
a joke at the expense of sacred Science -- finally realized that
their involvement in deceit, deception, collusion and conspiracy
might finally be catching up to them and their monumental fraud.

These Omniscient Buffoons have defended their colleagues
who, with incredible audacity, have made a mockery of physical
evidence, totally ignoring it and sometimes even tampering with it
(You listening, Andrew Macrae and Paul Myers? ( the latter formerly
of Temple and now with the University of Minnesota).

Thomas Alva Edison probably put in a nutshell what they were
doing for so long -- denying physical evidence -- and my dear friend
Clayton was right on target, too.

http://edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/quotesnew.gif

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========= SOME OF THE SPECIMENS =========
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THE VERY FIRST DISCOVERY

The following is the very first discovery of petrified bone in
coal-bearing Carboniferous strata in June 1981.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/first.jpg

Anthropologist Allan Mann of the University of Pennsylvania
was the first to examine it and, within a few minutes, identified
it as a concretion.

The specimen, which I found by accident, resembles a giant skull
and the Smithsonian expressed an interest after receiving a photo,
inviting me to bring it down to Washington so it could be studied
firsthand.

Three of its "experts" -- an anthropologist, a paleontologist and a
geologist -- looked it over carefully but, after a few minutes,
concurred that it was nothing more than a rock or concretion,
certainly nothng that had ever lived.

No one mentioned that a microscopic study of the specimen's
cellular structure would accurately identify whether it is or is not
bone. (I had no knowledge of this fact at the time and wouldn't
become aware of it until many months later)

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/brain/textbook.gif
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix3/thefactthat.gif

In any event, while preparing to leave the Smithsonian, I politely
asked if they would want to keep the specimen, perhaps to break
apart the jaw-like area to see if teeth could be found inside. The
three "experts" -- Joseph Brown and Robert McCurdy, the only
two names I remember -- laughed at me and said it would be
an absolute waste of their time.

About a month later -- rather discouraged -- I decided to search
the interior of the jaw-like area on my own. It began with a icepick
to penetrate the rock hardness, then using all sorts of small tools
to reach inside and, strangely, begin pulling out what resembled
brownish dirt.

I was mysified that some sort of cavity existed and contacted
the Smithsonian about this -- but was totally ignored.

After several weeks of part-time probing, I found a pair of peculiar
objects inside. Photos were taken, greatly enlarged and sent to
Krogman, one of the world's foremost human anatomists who
wrote the book, "The Human Skeleton in Forensic Medicine."

Our friendship had begun months previous when I had driven
to Lancaster to show him the first strange specimen I had found
that had come from between coal veins -- the large skull that
the Smithsonian later dismissed as a rock.

Krogman studied the photo of the inclusion, then told me over
the phone that the object is definitely a premolar tooth because
"I can see a pair of cusps."

Here's the photo that Krogman had examined, with the dime
offering an indication of size.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-014S.JPG

The photo below shows another view of where the premolar was
attached.

http://edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/z1.jpg

Krogman suggested an infrared scan be performed and it was done
at American Medical Laboratories in Chantilly, Va. Here's the result
of the test:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/coalbones/graph.gif

This is what the laboratory stated in its official report:

http://edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix3/result.gif

It meant that the inclusion in the jaw-like area was neither rock
nor concretion but something that once lived.

When the scan was interpreted later, this fact was confirmed.

http://edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/compatible.gif

It also should be emphasized that microscopic study of the
skull-like object was conducted and Haversian canals -- miniscule
circles, the tell-tale sign of bone -- were visible.

It had prompted Krogman, at one point, to offer great encourgement,
as he followed the discoveries with great interest.:

http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/krogquote.gif

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PETRIFIED HUMAN SKULL

The following specimen was identified by Krogman as a petrified
human calvarium -- a skull with the eye sockets broken off -- after
he personally had examined it and even measured it with
caliphers, expressing pleasure with the results..

Krogman, who was personally invited by the Egyptian government
to be present when a Pharoah's tomb was opened years before, is
shown holding the calvarium in the second photo.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z11calv.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/krogwskull.jpg

Moments after this photo was taken of Krogman with the specimen,
an associate -- a medical doctor -- walked into his office at the
Cooper Clinic in Lancaster, Pa., and he told him to come closer
to see "the oldest human skull ever found."

Two other photos of the specimen:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/MVC-006S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/MVC-007S.JPG

Meanwhile, a CATscan revealed a second protrusion not visible
to the naked eye but located precisely where it would be expected
to be found in a human cranium.

Here's a copy of that scan:

http://www.edconrad.com/images/catcalv.jpg

This specimen also tested positive for the presence of Haversian
canals under microscopic scrutiny.

Additionally, American Medical Laboratories performed testing
of calculus analysis by crystallography on the specimen and
found "a composition of dried blood intermingled with a few
small crystals resembling calcium oxalate dihydrate."

The laboratory's official report follows:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-012S.JPG
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ANOTHER PETRIFIED HUMAN SKULL -- IN A BOULDER

Another petrified human cranium was found approximately
a year later only a short distance from where the human
calvarium was discovered.

It was -- still is -- embedded in a boulder..

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/skulla.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/skullb.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/other1.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z2_2.jpg

The Smithsonian was sent a photograph and Raymond Rye,
musem specialist, replied in writing: "The object ... does resemble
the outline of a human skull ... We must do a microscopic study
of the outer rind to determine if it has the structure of bone."

http://edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/rr072782.gif

The Smithsonian had been mailed granules, as requested, then
weeks later replied: "X-ray analysis of the material reveals it to be
quartz, the most abundant material of the earth's crust. So, although
the enigmatic object exposed in the boulder may resemble a hominid
skull, its mineral compostion is definitely not that of bone."

http://edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/rr090982.gif

The fact is, "x-ray analysis" is NOTan appropriate test to identify
the presence or absence of cellular structure.

Later, a microcopic photo of granules removed from the specimen
revealed the presence of Haversian canals. (Actually, I knew they
did ahead of time because I had examined other granules
microscopically before sending them to the Smithsonian.)

Here's one of those microscopic photos of the cell structu

http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/proof1.jpg

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PETRIFIED HUMAN FEMUR

This is a petrified human femur still embedded in shale,
a near-cousin of coal. Portions of the bulb ends have broken off.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z6femur.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z8femur.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/z7femur.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Spec/MVC-001S.JPG

Since a femur measures approximately one-fourth of a human
being's height, the femur belonged to someone at least 7 1/2-foot
tall.

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PORTION OF A TIBIA (The subject of fraudulently testing by Andrew
MacRae)

This specimen was identified as a portion of a tibia by Krogman
and was subjected to one of the greatest cover-ups in the history
of science.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/newtibia.jpg

Andrew Macrae, then of Calgary University, performed fraudulent
testing when entrusted to examine its cellular structure and publish
the microscopic photos on his web page. Instead. he posted
microscopic photos of a rock or a concretion.

Macrae undoubtedly was advised and assisted by Paul Myers, then
of Temple University in Philadelphia and now at the University of
Minnesota.

When charged with participating in the scam, Myers adamantly denied
it. Then, when I suggested officials of Temple University check their
long-distance telephone calls during the time that Macrae was
"testing" the specimen in the summer of 1996, Myers suddenly admitted
in the talk.origins news group that he had made many phone calls
to Calgary University in that time span but on other business.

It didn't end there. Myers later admitted in talk.origins that he had
FLOWN to Calgary one weekend during that same time period and had
spent time on campus. He said he didn't even have a chance to say
hello to Macrae, claiming he was there on other business.

Here are two additional photos of the portion of the petrified tibia,
(known as EC96-001 for Macrae's fraudulent testing purposes).

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossil/z15tib2.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossil/z15tib1.jpg

In addition, a scanning electronic microscope (SEM) was used
to examine the interior surface features of this specimen and then
compare it with cadaver bone at the same power magnification. These
are the photos at 2,000-times magnification:.

http://edconrad.com/oldascoal/images/bones.jpg

(They would look incredibly similiar if the grains were lying in
exactly the same direction.)

The left photo in the first URL below shows what Andrew Macrae
posted on his web page, claiming it was the cell structure of
EC96-001 and nothing like bone should look like (in the right photo).
The next two photos show EC96-001's true cell structure.

http://www.edconrad.com/canals/ts_compare1.jpg
http://edconrad.com/canals/slide1.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/canals/0505160x.jpg

It was just one of several fraudulent maneuvers perpetrated
by members of the Scientifiic Establishment over the past 23
years when the first specimen -- the large petrified skull -- was
discovered.

Additionally, American Medical Laboratories performed calculus
analysis by crystallography on EC96-001 and determined that it
"consisted predominately of dried blood and protein."

That report follows:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-006S.JPG

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PETRIFIED FINGER AND TOE:
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Au29/MVC-016S.JPG

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PETRIFIED MANDIBLE
Here's a phtoo of a petrified human mandibles (jaw bones), found
between the same coal veins:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-006S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-003S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-011S.JPG
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PETRIFIED HUMAN LUNG

Here's a petrified human lung found between coal veins.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-015S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-016S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-017S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-018S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-019S.JPG

A lung is a soft organ and, as such, many contend it can never
petrify. However, in recent years it was established conclusively
that soft organs can indeed be subjected to the petrification process.

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PETRIFIED GALL BLADDER, WITH GALLSTONE

Here's a petrified gall bladder, and a CATscan revealed the presence
of a gall stone inside.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z5gall.jpg

This is one of the specimens that also was tested at American
Medical Laboratories via calculus analysis by crystallography.

It revealed the specimen "consists of a few small pieces of dried
blood," adding that "none of the constituents normally found
in urinary calculi are present." (which comes as no surprise since
the specimen it tested is petrified).

That report follows:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-010S.JPG
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PETRIFIED HUMAN BRAIN

This is a petrified human brain (one hemisphere):

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/brain/MVC-001S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/brain/MVC-002S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/brain/MVC-003S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/brain/MVC-004S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/brain/MVC-005S.JPG
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ANOTHER PETRIFIED BONE

Here's another petrified bone (a knee?):

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix4/MVC-013S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix4/MVC-012S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix4/MVC-014S.JPG
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PAIR OF PETRIFIED FETUSES

Here are a pair of petrified fetuses.The large one, which has
been transformed to a coal-like substance, measures 6 1/2
inches in length.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-010S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-011S.JPG
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PETRIFIED DINOSAUR FOOT

Here's a portion of a dinosaur foot embedded in slate (or shale):

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix3/z3dino.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-013S.JPG

It should be noted that a third "toe" was later found embedded
in the slate where it would be expected to be. A video tape exists
showing the top cover of slate patiently being removed, revealing
the third "toe" just beneath the surface.

I should mention that the petrified femur and petrifed dinosaur
foot remain as you see them -- still embedded in slate (or shale)
-- the way they were steamshoveled from between coal veins.

They are somewhere in this photo, taken from approximately five
miles up, of scar-marked land that was strip-mined of its coal. But
those remarkable discoveries are still there if you'd like to search.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/coalbones/MVC-015S.JPG
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HANDCRAFTED WOODEN TOOL

Here's a petrified handcrafted wooden handle which has been
transformed to anthracite. It also was found between the same
two coal veins.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-001S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-002S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-004S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-003S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-005S.JPG
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PETRIFIED BONE EMBEDDED IN SLATE

Here's a portion of petrified bone still embedded in slate,
confirming that it's older than the material in which it was encased.
Obviously, that material had to be fluid or in a fluidy state for
something to harden around it.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-014S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-015S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-016S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-017S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith1/MVC-018S.JPG
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GIANT CANINE TOOTH

Here's a giant canine tooth, found between the same coal veins:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/1tooth.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-009S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-007S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-008S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-006S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-010S.JPG

(I accidentally dropped the giant tooth on the sidewalk in Hazleton,
Pa. -- too heavy for the paper bag --and the tip broke off but the
two pieces fit together almost perfectly.)

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PETRIFIED FETUS EMBEDDED IN SLATE

Here's another petrified fetus, this one still embedded in slate
(or shale).

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Day/MVC-005S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Day/MVC-002S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Day/MVC-004S.JPG
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PORTION OF GIANT PETRIFIED SCORPION

This is a portion of a giant prehistoric scorpion that was
identified as such by Wilton Krogman.

When the world famous bone expert examined this specimen
found between coal veins, he first turned to me and mentioned
that he had performed countless disections of scorpions in college.

"What you have, Mr. Conrad (never Ed), is a portion of a giant
prehistoric scorpion," he told me.

When discovered, the specimen was broken in two parts but they
fit together perfectly.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-001S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-022S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-020S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-008S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-017S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossilxx/MVC-006S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-021S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-009S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-019S.JPG

This particular specimen was the subject of another cover-up
by members of the Scientific Establishment -- the Department of
Entomology at Penn State University.

Penn State actually has batted 0-for-3 with its attempted
cover-ups of my specimens: First, its Department of Paleontology
(Roger Cuffey); Second, its Department of Anthropology (Robert
Eckardt). Third, its Department of Entomology (Charles Pitts).

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'
YERKES CONFIRMS SPECIMEN IS BONE

One of the specimens found between anthracite veins was positively
identified as petrified bone by the Yerkes Regional Primate Research
Center at Emory University in Atlanta, Ga., which Krogman described
as "the most prestigious institution of its kind in the world."

Jeremy Dahl, one of its bone experts who examined and tested it,
even put it in writing and signed his name, also making a drawing
of the specimen that he had examined and tested..

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/YERKES1.TIF
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/YERKES2.TIF
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/YERKES3.TIF

Dahl definitely had examined the specimen's cell structure because
he had cut off a slice while it was is possession.

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PETRIFIED HOMINID MANDIBLE

Here's another petrified hominid jaw, the frontal portion. Inclusions
are embedded in it, possibly teeth or even part of the tongue.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix5/MVC-002S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix5/MVC-001S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix5/MVC-003S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix5/MVC-004S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix5/MVC-005S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix5/MVC-006S.JPG
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ANOTHER PETRIFIED SOFT ORGAN

Here's another soft organ that had petrified:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossilx/MVC-008S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossilx/MVC-011S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossilx/MVC-010S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossilx/MVC-009S.JPG
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PETRIFIED EGGS

Here are what appear to be petrified eggs. About eight of them
were found together more than 200 feet below the original
surface of the ground (on the side wall of a stripping pit).

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-021F.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-022F.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-023F.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/AML/MVC-024F.JPG

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SOMEWHAT SIMILIAR SPECIMENS

Here are two strange specimens, almost similiar. What makes them
so intriguing is that they were found between anthracite veins some
40 miles apart -- one near Shenandoah and the other near Wilkes-Barre.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossilx/MVC-016S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossilx/MVC-017S.JPG
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THREE INTRIGUING SPECIMENS

Here are three intriguing specimens:
(For the kids' sake, let's call 'em "The Three Tenors.)

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-004S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-005S.JPG
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RAYMOND DART IMPRESSED

The late, great Raymond Dart, MD., relished the opportunity to examine
some of the specimens after Krogman had informed him about them.

This photo shows Dart holding what Krogman identified as a calvarium,
a human cranium with the eye sockets broken off.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossilx/dart.jpg

Here's Raymond Dart's letter:

===============================================
28 October, 1983

Dear Mr. Conrad:

This is being written as a follow-up to our meeting here in
Philadelphia on Saturday, Oct. 15, during which I had the
opportunity to examine many of the rock-like objects you
had discovered in the coal fields of Pennsylvania, near
Shenandoah.
In my opinion, the vast majority bear the contour of bone
and may well be petrified bone.

I was particularly intrigued by one of your specimens which
I agree bears a distinct resemblance to a dainosaur head
or a homind skullcap, heavily petrified.
Based on our vast ignorance about vulconology, as regards
both anatomy and anthropology, I am of the opinion that your
findings definitely warrant intense investigation by that subject's
foremost experts, especially here in America where so many
volcanic disturbances occur even today.
Yours sincerely,
Raymond A. Dart (signed)

Raymond A. Dart, M.D.
Institute of Man
The Institutes for the Achievement of Human Potential
8801 Stenton Avenue
Philadelphia, Pa. 19118

Here's a photo of Raymond Dart with Ed Conrad (the photo was
taken by a house painter who obliged by decending a ladder
to do so.)

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/coalbones/wdart.jpg
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DINOSAUR FOOT EMBEDDED IN SLATE

That man co-existed with dinosaurs -- back while anthracite was
being formed -- gains credence with these photos of a petrified
dinosaur foot embedded in slate.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Smith/z3dino.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossilxx/Dfoot.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/fossil/MVC-039S.JPG
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PECULIAR SPECIMEN

Another specimen of petrified bone embedded in slate:

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/coalbones/inslate1.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/coalbones/inslate5.jpg

The original Easter bunny? Then, again, it might be the head
of a petrified jackass. And, IF it is, it would be rather appropriate.

The Scientific Establishment -- led by its worldwide brood of
arrogant, defiant tenured fossils -- has long been treating
John Q. Public, and his kids, like a jackass, promoting fairy tales
and molesting truth.

Over the past 22 years, it has engaged in deceit, deception, collusion
and conspiracy -- of MONUMENTAL proportions -- and one of the
ringleaders has been the Smithsonian Institution.

=============================================== =
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And here's my final thought (one picture should be worth
a thousand words):

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Vel1/MVC-001S.JPG

No question, members of the scientific establishment academia
-- professors, students and alumni -- have long been fearful
of me and my discoveries because of the dire consequences
they realize that truth would bring.

And well they should have been because now that time has
come. They're finally being put in their place and recognized
for the total disgrace to science that they've been.

NOW they're not just *afraid* of Ed Conrad. They're terrified!

Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com

MAN AS OLD AS COAL
and
PROOF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH

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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:12:35 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
wrote in
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:00:09 +0000 (UTC), Augray
wrote:

[In the message I'm replying to, followups were set to
sci.anthropology.paleo]

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:28:18 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
wrote in
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:52:12 +0000 (UTC), "Ken Rode"
wrote:

snip crosspost/

"Ed Conrad" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 00:42:24 +0000 (UTC), Augray
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:29:24 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
wrote in
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Then why did it show up?

[snip]

This is an underground mining map showing coal veins
that were vioently disrupted, and where most of the fossils
(below) came from.

http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Fossils/MVC-033S.JPG

Why are you the only person to interpret the map this way?

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And Earnest Hooton, longtime professor of anthropology at Harvard
University, seconded the motion years later in his book, "Apes, Men
and Morons," citing the absence of undeniable physical evidence.

"I can point to many anatomical
features of man in which the known
courses of evolution can be explained
plausibly by the theory of natural
selection, but I do not know of one
in which it can be proved."

But he also wrote that:

For myself, a naive physical anthropologist, the way still seems
comparatively straight and plain. I adhere to the old-fashioned
belief that the more numerous and detailed the resemblances
between two animals the closer the relationship between them.
Effect of similarity or difference of habitus can not obscure
man's fundamental likeness to the great anthropoid apes, and
especially to the gorilla and the chimpanzee. I therefore persist
in the opinion that these two apes are our nearest collateral
relatives...

- Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 74.

And earlier on, he wrote that

As I have said, I am not concerned with the eternal verities of
religion, but only with its temporal utility. Hence it has
seemed to me in every respect desirable that systems of
religious belief and practice be harmonized with the scientific
facts and probabilities of the evolutionary theory. And I am
not aware that unsurmountable difficulties have been
encountered by Christian scholars in such harmonization.

- Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 7.

Tell me Ed, if there is "evidence galore", why do you feel the need to
lie about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton?

[Snip the rest]

augray:

I said before and I'll say again, you -- Jon Barber, previously known
in talk.origins as gen2rev -- are on the payroll of the Scientific
Establishment.

You AND Attorney David Sienkiewicz.

Probably a few others as well.

It means American tax dollars are being used to perpetuate
a myth -- the evolution of man -- that has warped the mind of men,
and warping the mind of children.

Your accusations, and Sienkiewicz', of dishonesty by me doesn't
ave a dog's leg to stand on.

Everything the good folks jhave read here is the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth.

Your anthropological community, headed by the Smithsonian
Institution, is a conspiracy utilizing deceit, deception and
dishonesty.

It is a black eye to the sacred name Science and belongs in
a sewer. Even the sewer would clothespin its nose, that's how bad
you smell.

Good try, Ed. I'll give you credit for responding to augray. Please try to
answer his questions, though. It'll help make you appear to be rational. Try
the one about your lying about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton. He's been
asking that for quite some time now, and I'll admit to being curious about
the answer.


I can tell the difference between men and morons.

But for some reason you choose to act like the latter.


Screw augray (and Atty. Stinky).
.
Let the Smithsonian start asking questions. Then he'll
get his answers, and a lot more than he bargained for.

The Smithsonian has no unanswered questions, but I do. Why do you lie
about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton? Are you afraid of the truth?

YOU should be -- every time you look in the mirror.

Ed, it's pretty obvious that you're the one who's afraid. You won't
answer questions about your "specimens", and you won't even let anyone
examine them anymore. You won't even dispute what I wrote about Hooton
up above.

[In the message I'm replying to, followups were set to
sci.anthropology.paleo]

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 03:11:13 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
wrote in
:

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:41:22 +0000 (UTC), "Ken Rode"
wrote:

redirected to talk.origins

Good try, Ed. I'll give you credit for responding to augray. Please try to
answer his questions, though. It'll help make you appear to be rational. Try
the one about your lying about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton. He's been
asking that for quite some time now, and I'll admit to being curious about
the answer.


I can tell the difference between men and morons.

Screw augray (and Atty. Stinky).
.
Let the Smithsonian start asking questions. Then he'll
get his answers, and a lot more than he bargained for.


What the hell does this mean, Ed? Are you seriously suggesting that the only
questions that you will answer have to come from organizations that you
despise? What kind of sense does that make?

There's an old saying. If you want to convince anyone, you have to convince
someone.

Here I am, Ed. Convince me.

How's this?
Apes, Men and MORONS!

In other words, you've got nothing but insults. Not exactly a
revelation.