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...Arctic Sea Ice is Going Fast....Very Fast!
This is really sad. Just like all the C02 data, the seventies and eighties is when global warming became rather obvious. Sea Ice Extent 1900 to Present http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....1900-2007.jpg IMPACTS OF A WARMING ARCTIC http://www.amap.no/acia/GraphicsSet1.pdf |
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...Arctic Sea Ice is Going Fast....Very Fast!
It's just placing an extra 50 teratonnes of water into our polluted
atmosphere. What possible harm could that generate? You do realize that 2e20 N/s of tidal flexing our 98.5% fluid Earth is a warming trend, don't you? ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth jonathan wrote: This is really sad. Just like all the C02 data, the seventies and eighties is when global warming became rather obvious. Sea Ice Extent 1900 to Present http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....1900-2007.jpg IMPACTS OF A WARMING ARCTIC http://www.amap.no/acia/GraphicsSet1.pdf |
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On Aug 28, 10:21*am, BradGuth wrote:
It's just placing an extra 50 teratonnes of water into our polluted atmosphere. *What possible harm could that generate? You do realize that 2e20 N/s of tidal flexing our 98.5% fluid Earth is a warming trend, don't you? * ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth jonathan wrote: This is really sad. Just like all the C02 data, the seventies and eighties is when global warming became rather obvious. Sea Ice Extent 1900 to Present http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....extent.1900-2... IMPACTS OF A WARMING ARCTIC http://www.amap.no/acia/GraphicsSet1.pdf I hear the sky is falling too. |
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"jonathan" wrote in message
news This is really sad. Just like all the C02 data, the seventies and eighties is when global warming became rather obvious. Sea Ice Extent 1900 to Present http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....1900-2007.jpg IMPACTS OF A WARMING ARCTIC http://www.amap.no/acia/GraphicsSet1.pdf Thank you so very much,,.. I've been looking for charts like these for a while. Some people seem to think it's all bogus and over-rated. If it was, then the NOAA wouldn't be seriously considering adding Category 6 to the hurricane Categories. And Hurricane Katrina at 165 MPH at the strongest she got wasn't just 10 - 15 MPH below that mark?, which she was,,.. 175 - 180 MPH would be the marker for a Category 6. Fievel.. |
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"BradGuth" wrote in message ... It's just placing an extra 50 teratonnes of water into our polluted atmosphere. What possible harm could that generate? But remember what happens when a complex adaptive system is driven far from equilibrium. It's behavior can become chaotic. Which means less stability and larger swings in behavior. More and deeper droughts, larger and more numerous storms and floods and so on. In the extreme case what this means is a global climate NOT just s t e a d i l y g e t t i n g w a r m e r as most 'linear minded' imagine. But a climate that could begin swinging from very /warm/ to very /cold/...almost overnight. Global Warming: A Chilling Perspective "Earth's climate and the biosphere have been in constant flux, dominated by ice ages and glaciers for the past several million years. We are currently enjoying a temporary reprieve from the deep freeze." http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html May I remind you of this one simple fact few seem to appreciate. It only takes ONE SUCH SWING to land this planet squarely into another 100,000 year long ICE AGE!! And bring new meaning to that old cliche..... ........"The End is Nigh" Please scroll down to fig 1-5 http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/IceAgeBo...f_climate.html Notice how the current warm period is rather brief and short lived. What that means is that the earth is attracted to.....IT LIKES ice ages. The Earth is always looking for an excuse to go back to it's normal very cold and very ice covered state. It's mostly the blooms of life that keep it warm. Our technology is allowing life to bloom like never before. Will we let the bubble burst? Every day we ignore the obvious, we give the Earth another excuse to wipe most of our sorry-asses right off this planet. You must think in non linear terms. To what happens to something that's normally spinning round and round, and you walk up to it and give it a good solid kick in the rear. Most of the time it's momentum will rip your foot off. But once it's 'at the edge' of it's stability, it can take but a feather to cause the wheels to fly off, and rip the whole works into shreds. aka Tipping Point or the Edge of Chaos. Nonlinear Science - Chaos Tamed "Lo! thy dread empire Chaos! is restored: Light dies before thy uncreating word; Thy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall, And universal darkness buries all." ~Alexander Pope http://www.calresco.org/nonlin.htm Perturbation and Transients - The Edge of Chaos "Self-organized criticality is a new way of viewing nature... perpetually out-of-balance, but organized in a poised state" ~Per Bak, How Nature Works http://www.calresco.org/perturb.htm Jonathan s You do realize that 2e20 N/s of tidal flexing our 98.5% fluid Earth is a warming trend, don't you? ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth jonathan wrote: This is really sad. Just like all the C02 data, the seventies and eighties is when global warming became rather obvious. Sea Ice Extent 1900 to Present http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....1900-2007.jpg IMPACTS OF A WARMING ARCTIC http://www.amap.no/acia/GraphicsSet1.pdf |
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"eyeball" wrote in message ... On Aug 28, 10:21 am, BradGuth wrote: I hear the sky is falling too. Well, since I moved to Miami I've had Hurricane Andrew (the most expensive storm is US history) pass forty miles ....south of me. Hurricane Wilma (the most powerful Atlantic storm EVER) pass forty miles...north of me. And Hurricane Katrina ( the deadliest storm in recent US history) pass directly overhead. And I got a very good taste of all three. So yes, I would say the sky is indeed falling...literally...on my head. And down here we can ...smell...that the last part of this hurricane season, and all of next year is going to be a couple more for the books. Jonathan |
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"Fievel Mousekewitz Sr (Not A CT'er)" wrote in message . .. "jonathan" wrote in message news This is really sad. Just like all the C02 data, the seventies and eighties is when global warming became rather obvious. Sea Ice Extent 1900 to Present http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....1900-2007.jpg IMPACTS OF A WARMING ARCTIC http://www.amap.no/acia/GraphicsSet1.pdf Thank you so very much,,.. I've been looking for charts like these for a while. Some people seem to think it's all bogus and over-rated. If it was, then the NOAA wouldn't be seriously considering adding Category 6 to the hurricane Categories. And Hurricane Katrina at 165 MPH at the strongest she got wasn't just 10 - 15 MPH below that mark?, which she was,,.. 175 - 180 MPH would be the marker for a Category 6. I agree completely /and emphatically/ that another category is needed. But I think this category should be in the overall size of the storm, not the peak wind speed. The hurricanes have gotten much larger recently due to global warming. The eyes are routinely now some one hundred miles across. Used to be a third of that was normal. And as the size of the eye increases, the total heat energy is squared, not multiplied. Which means the large storms like Katrina and Wilma have /orders of magnitude/ more energy involved than normal. Used to be hurricanes could take out a city, now they can wipe out an entire state, or three states as with Katrina. The NHC doesn't seem to want to talk about the increase in size of the eyes. Look at the last radar image of Andrew, it's eye is about the size of Miami. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gifs/1992andy.JPG Here's Hurricane Camille, looks about as tight as Andrew. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:H...1969_2340Z.jpg Look at the eye of Wilma, almost the size of the ...state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:W...dfallRadar.png Look at Katrina! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:H...fall_radar.gif Camille hit 190mph, Andrew 155, Wilma 180 mph, Katrina 135. These are two entirely different classes of storms in my opinion. I would say there needs to be a category that reflects the overall size. When they're organized and near a hundred miles across, they're a Super-Hurricane imho. Even weak tropical storm Fay just a couple weeks ago showed this new trend. It had an eye around a hundred miles across and passed over Florida /three times/ and hardly noticed. Used to be landfall meant a tropical storm or hurricane would quickly fall apart, not anymore. In fact, with Wilma, it just got ****ed off and strengthened as it came ashore. Once Bush leaves office, we'll start hearing more about this and especially global warming I believe. Once all the Bush 'yes-men' are replaced. Jonathan Fievel.. |
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"jonathan" wrote in message
.. . "Fievel Mousekewitz Sr (Not A CT'er)" wrote in message . .. "jonathan" wrote in message news This is really sad. Just like all the C02 data, the seventies and eighties is when global warming became rather obvious. Sea Ice Extent 1900 to Present http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....1900-2007.jpg IMPACTS OF A WARMING ARCTIC http://www.amap.no/acia/GraphicsSet1.pdf Thank you so very much,,.. I've been looking for charts like these for a while. Some people seem to think it's all bogus and over-rated. If it was, then the NOAA wouldn't be seriously considering adding Category 6 to the hurricane Categories. And Hurricane Katrina at 165 MPH at the strongest she got wasn't just 10 - 15 MPH below that mark?, which she was,,.. 175 - 180 MPH would be the marker for a Category 6. I agree completely /and emphatically/ that another category is needed. But I think this category should be in the overall size of the storm, not the peak wind speed. The hurricanes have gotten much larger recently due to global warming. The eyes are routinely now some one hundred miles across. Used to be a third of that was normal. And as the size of the eye increases, the total heat energy is squared, not multiplied. Which means the large storms like Katrina and Wilma have /orders of magnitude/ more energy involved than normal. Used to be hurricanes could take out a city, now they can wipe out an entire state, or three states as with Katrina. The NHC doesn't seem to want to talk about the increase in size of the eyes. It goes to show what I typed in another reply. Though I would've gotten A's in my basic weather science class. Which I ended up with a D-.. Only because of spelling and rushed projects. I always seemed to wait till the last minute, till I worked on my projects. The teacher told me I would've gotten an A, if it wasn't for the above. (Ouch, my wrists.) My point to the above is.. There's things I learned in weather science class, that are totally out the window. Things that don't seem to make sense, like strong tornadoes here in PA. July 14 2004, Campbelltown, Pennsylvania.. http://nws.met.psu.edu/severe/2004/14July2004.pdf Almost an F4 We've had many reports across this state of tornadoes this year. I don't know where we are now. 8, 12? Just 10 years ago, it didn't seem possible for a tornadoe this strong to move across the area, nor the number of reports across Pennsylvania we had so far this year. I suspect that it's only going to look worse next year. Look at the last radar image of Andrew, it's eye is about the size of Miami. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gifs/1992andy.JPG Here's Hurricane Camille, looks about as tight as Andrew. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:H...1969_2340Z.jpg Look at the eye of Wilma, almost the size of the ...state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:W...dfallRadar.png Look at Katrina! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:H...fall_radar.gif Camille hit 190mph, Andrew 155, Wilma 180 mph, Katrina 135. These are two entirely different classes of storms in my opinion. I would say there needs to be a category that reflects the overall size. When they're organized and near a hundred miles across, they're a Super-Hurricane imho. Agreed.. The same, might also work with tornadoes as well. The winds aren't really growing, but the storms are. They also happen much faster, and die the way they start. Not long ago, we had a really odd afternoon. There was almost nothing on the radar for us here in PA. Then, like they came from nowhere, something like 8 storms just came from nowhere. At better inspection of all data, it appeared like it might've come from moisture evaporating off of Lake Erie.. After some research, I found that Lake Erie's temp are approaching the 80 degree mark,,. I believe the data came from NOAA. Isn't that suppose to be the warmest, but still cool to swim in? That's one of many things I learned, that not trash. Lake Erie can now, low pressure in place, create it's own storms. Including snow storms in the winter, that are getting more intense. Even weak tropical storm Fay just a couple weeks ago showed this new trend. It had an eye around a hundred miles across and passed over Florida /three times/ and hardly noticed. Used to be landfall meant a tropical storm or hurricane would quickly fall apart, not anymore. In fact, with Wilma, it just got ****ed off and strengthened as it came ashore. Once Bush leaves office, we'll start hearing more about this and especially global warming I believe. Once all the Bush 'yes-men' are replaced. The Day After Tomorrow,, here we come. It just doesn't feel like it's as close as it is. Fievel. Jonathan Fievel.. |
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On Aug 28, 10:03 am, eyeball wrote:
On Aug 28, 10:21 am, BradGuth wrote: It's just placing an extra 50 teratonnes of water into our polluted atmosphere. What possible harm could that generate? You do realize that 2e20 N/s of tidal flexing our 98.5% fluid Earth is a warming trend, don't you? ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth jonathan wrote: This is really sad. Just like all the C02 data, the seventies and eighties is when global warming became rather obvious. Sea Ice Extent 1900 to Present http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....extent.1900-2... IMPACTS OF A WARMING ARCTIC http://www.amap.no/acia/GraphicsSet1.pdf I hear the sky is falling too. Only by .05%/year if you're talking about the SAA contour. So we still got lots of time to pillage, plunder and rape mother Earth for all she's worth. ~ BG |
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On Aug 28, 4:43 pm, "jonathan" wrote:
"eyeball" wrote in message ... On Aug 28, 10:21 am, BradGuth wrote: I hear the sky is falling too. Well, since I moved to Miami I've had Hurricane Andrew (the most expensive storm is US history) pass forty miles ...south of me. Hurricane Wilma (the most powerful Atlantic storm EVER) pass forty miles...north of me. And Hurricane Katrina ( the deadliest storm in recent US history) pass directly overhead. And I got a very good taste of all three. So yes, I would say the sky is indeed falling...literally...on my head. And down here we can ...smell...that the last part of this hurricane season, and all of next year is going to be a couple more for the books. Jonathan Too bad you folks can't attribute any of that falling sky or global warming trend to the 2e20 N/s worth of tidal interactions associated with our Selene/moon. If Earth wasn't getting tidal flexed by 55 cm, how much cooler might our 98.5% fluid Earth get? ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth |
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