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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:37:55 GMT, Chris L Peterson
wrote: On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:03:27 GMT, "Florian" wrote: My planetarium programs can still automatically download TLEs. Hi Chris, How does your program handle this? I use Orbitron and i don't think it yet has the ability to logon to the space-track site using my name and password. -Florian The latest version of TheSky gets its satellite elements from Space-Track. The dialog that lets you select the element set (or complete catalogs) of interest has boxes for username and password. Obviously, there is no issue of redistribution here since Space-Track is the direct source of the data. Chris. Lets be perfectly clear here. There most certainly is an issue with redistribution. A user who redistributes (transfers) the data to an unauthorized end user could be charged under any number of US codes that carry a large fine and/or jail time. The new version of TheSky is not redistributing the data. It is just retrieving the data in a semi-automated fashion, using your user name and password. Without login info (which the user must supply) the latest version of TheSky would not be able to obtain the TLE data. Previous versions of TheSky used celestrak.com to get it's TLE data, and those previous versions will continue to work as long as celestrak continues offer the TLEs. NASA had authority under the old system to grant redistribution permission, and I would assume that celsetrak.com sought and was granted that permission. However once the NASA-OIG site is shut down celestrak.com had better have written permission from the Secretary of Defense to continue providing those TLEs to the public, or they will find themselves in a bit of hot water. I work for a major defense contractor and I can tell you the Aerospace Corp (who runs the Space-Track website for the gov) is a stickler for the rules. I would suspect that is why TheSky switched to direct retrieval from Space-Track. -JATO http://jatobservatory.org |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:08:47 GMT, JATO
wrote: The new version of TheSky is not redistributing the data. It is just retrieving the data in a semi-automated fashion, using your user name and password. Without login info (which the user must supply) the latest version of TheSky would not be able to obtain the TLE data. Right, that's what I said. And in most cases, there is no need to redistribute the data, since it is available directly from Space-Track. Certainly, there is no reason for Celestrak to do so- it is really just acting as a mirror. As far as what actually constitutes redistribution, that remains to be seen. For instance, if there is a large meteor, and I check Space-Track for decays and determine that there were none, I suppose (by the letter of the agreement) that there could be a problem if I simply stated on my website that there was no decay. I doubt there would ever be an issue with that, however. As I said, I don't see any need for these restrictions- IMO they simply represent the sort of paranoia that led to things like restrictions on nail files on planes and the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security. But such is the reality of our times- insanity in high places. While this new policy affecting redistribution is silly and annoying, I don't see it having much real impact on the people using the data. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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But such is the reality of our times- insanity in high places. While
this new policy affecting redistribution is silly and annoying, I don't see it having much real impact on the people using the data. I agree. It's not a big deal. And you CAN take nail files and nail = clippers=20 onto airplanes. Safety razors and blunt scissors too. But not pointy=20 scissors, meat cleavers, sabers, baseball bats or swords... = http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlib...d_8_23_2004.p= df -Florian |
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I agree. It's not a big deal. And you CAN take nail files and nail
clippers onto airplanes. Safety razors and blunt scissors too. But not pointy scissors, meat cleavers, sabers, baseball bats or swords... http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlib..._8_23_2004.pdf Can I take a green laser on board? ;-) Chuck Taylor Do you observe the moon? Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lunar-observing/ Are you interested in understanding optics? Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ATM_Optics_Software/ ************************************ |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:49:39 GMT, Chris L Peterson
wrote: As I said, I don't see any need for these restrictions- IMO they simply represent the sort of paranoia that led to things like restrictions on nail files on planes and the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security. But such is the reality of our times- insanity in high places. While this new policy affecting redistribution is silly and annoying, I don't see it having much real impact on the people using the data. Actually I am surprised they made the data available to such a wide group of people. I don't see that continuing. I also think at some future time the data will eventful be restricted to people or companies with a "justifiable" need for the data and that access will be at a cost. The US Space Command is typically not in the "as a public service" business, that and the fact that the Aerospace Corp is running the website. There is a reason they took it away from NASAs control. -JATO http://jatobservatory.org |
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Can I take a green laser on board?
Hah! Good question. I don't think i'd try.=20 -Florian |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:31:17 GMT, "Florian"
wrote: Can I take a green laser on board? Hah! Good question. I don't think i'd try. -Florian I think it would be OK to take it on board. I mean since he can't get into the cockpit, he can't shine it in the pilot's eyes anyway. The worst he can do is shine it out the window at innocent observers looking up into the night sky. -JATO http://jatobservatory.org |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:02:01 GMT, "Florian"
wrote: I agree. It's not a big deal. And you CAN take nail files and nail clippers onto airplanes. Safety razors and blunt scissors too. But not pointy scissors, meat cleavers, sabers, baseball bats or swords... Ok, but you get my point g. But I think it's paranoia that you can't take knives and scissors, too. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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