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Old May 3rd 19, 12:59 AM posted to alt.astronomy
Hägar
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Dedicated to that great ignoramus, Palsing.

Palsing, since you seem to be suffering from a permanent case of severe
dumb-****-itis, I'll give you a little dissertation of the history of US
coal fired plants.
During the war effort (WWII, in case you can't figure this out), huge
amounts of power were needed to support the manufacturing sector of the US
economy. Coal was abundant and therefore a whole series of coal plants were
hastily built to that end. Then in the late 50s and early 60s the Canadians
complained that their beloved Maple trees were dying all over Eastern
Canada. Research revealed that the culprit was acid rain, caused by
untreated emissions from US coal plants in the Mid-West, helped along
towards Canada by the prevailing westerly winds. The US Government stepped
in and gave the coal plant operators an ultimatum: either fix the problem of
shut the plants down. Many of the older plants, operating beyond their life
expectancy and held together by bailing wire and duct tape, simply shut
down. The middle age ones converted to natural gas and the remainder added
flue gas fly ash mitigation controls. It solved the Canadian issue. Then
came the Arab Oil Embargo of the early 70s. Most of the East Coast plants
were oil fired, as were almost all homes in the American east, and electric
rates went through the roof. The US Government once again stepper in to
resolve the issue and to prevent American dependency on foreign oil. The
REA (Rural Electrification Association) proposed, financed and built about
40 dual unit coal fired plants in the 500MW to 750MW range per unit,
throughout the Mid-West and the South. Most were built near strip mines, of
along the Missouri/ Mississippi, where the coal could be transported by the
barge load. The Feds demanded strict stack emission standards for all
plants and any violation would result in an immediate shutdown. It made the
Mid-West independent of the East Coast oil fired plants, many of which were
converted to Natural gas. Strip mining left ugly gashes and piles of rubble
in the once pristine country side. When the strip mines neared depletion of
easily accessible coal, protestors demanded a stop to surface mining and the
restoration to their original natural state of the eyesores it had created.
Many of the coal plants converted to Natural gas, since it did not require
any stack emission remediation, thus saving piles of money on not having to
maintain the expensive fly ash controls. The reason dummies like you think
there are more than 18 coal fired plants in the US is because a lot of them
started out as such, but became gas fired units, but the name remained the
same. This is what confuses Liberal dummies and dunces like yourself, who
are too lazy or ignorant to the that sort of reasearch for themselves.
You'd rather listen to the shrill voices of non science doofi like AOC,
Bernie Sanders, Al "massage with happy ending" Gore and Bill Nye who is even
more ignorant than Corey Booker or Nancy, the DNC queen.
If you don't get any of this, try reading it a little slower, Palsing, after
all, you do have a slight mental handicap.

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Old May 3rd 19, 03:27 AM posted to alt.astronomy
palsing[_2_]
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Default A brief history of US coal plants

On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 4:59:34 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
Dedicated to that great ignoramus, Palsing.

Palsing, since you seem to be suffering from a permanent case of severe
dumb-****-itis, I'll give you a little dissertation of the history of US
coal fired plants.
During the war effort (WWII, in case you can't figure this out), huge
amounts of power were needed to support the manufacturing sector of the US
economy. Coal was abundant and therefore a whole series of coal plants were
hastily built to that end. Then in the late 50s and early 60s the Canadians
complained that their beloved Maple trees were dying all over Eastern
Canada. Research revealed that the culprit was acid rain, caused by
untreated emissions from US coal plants in the Mid-West, helped along
towards Canada by the prevailing westerly winds. The US Government stepped
in and gave the coal plant operators an ultimatum: either fix the problem of
shut the plants down. Many of the older plants, operating beyond their life
expectancy and held together by bailing wire and duct tape, simply shut
down. The middle age ones converted to natural gas and the remainder added
flue gas fly ash mitigation controls. It solved the Canadian issue. Then
came the Arab Oil Embargo of the early 70s. Most of the East Coast plants
were oil fired, as were almost all homes in the American east, and electric
rates went through the roof. The US Government once again stepper in to
resolve the issue and to prevent American dependency on foreign oil. The
REA (Rural Electrification Association) proposed, financed and built about
40 dual unit coal fired plants in the 500MW to 750MW range per unit,
throughout the Mid-West and the South. Most were built near strip mines, of
along the Missouri/ Mississippi, where the coal could be transported by the
barge load. The Feds demanded strict stack emission standards for all
plants and any violation would result in an immediate shutdown. It made the
Mid-West independent of the East Coast oil fired plants, many of which were
converted to Natural gas. Strip mining left ugly gashes and piles of rubble
in the once pristine country side. When the strip mines neared depletion of
easily accessible coal, protestors demanded a stop to surface mining and the
restoration to their original natural state of the eyesores it had created.
Many of the coal plants converted to Natural gas, since it did not require
any stack emission remediation, thus saving piles of money on not having to
maintain the expensive fly ash controls. The reason dummies like you think
there are more than 18 coal fired plants in the US is because a lot of them
started out as such, but became gas fired units, but the name remained the
same. This is what confuses Liberal dummies and dunces like yourself, who
are too lazy or ignorant to the that sort of reasearch for themselves.
You'd rather listen to the shrill voices of non science doofi like AOC,
Bernie Sanders, Al "massage with happy ending" Gore and Bill Nye who is even
more ignorant than Corey Booker or Nancy, the DNC queen.
If you don't get any of this, try reading it a little slower, Palsing, after
all, you do have a slight mental handicap.


Hagar, try as you might, you are a just coward who cannot actually defend his own position.

After all, you think that Google Docs is a valid reference and are STILL defending it, instead of manning up and admitting that it was a very poor choice. There is no ****ing way that there are only about 36 coal-fired power plants in the USA. If there were, you would *easily* be able to provide evidence for that... but you can't... or you already would have done so. Talk is cheap, and that is all you are presenting here, talk. No evidence to support your claims. NADA, Zilch.

Why don't you just howl at the moon, Hagar, because that will bring better results than this pathetic diatribe of yours, essentially grasping at straws, and which is totally ineffective!

Google Docs, Sheesh!
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Old May 3rd 19, 06:06 AM posted to alt.astronomy
Hägar
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"palsing" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 4:59:34 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
Dedicated to that great ignoramus, Palsing.

Palsing, since you seem to be suffering from a permanent case of severe
dumb-****-itis, I'll give you a little dissertation of the history of US
coal fired plants.
During the war effort (WWII, in case you can't figure this out), huge
amounts of power were needed to support the manufacturing sector of the US
economy. Coal was abundant and therefore a whole series of coal plants
were
hastily built to that end. Then in the late 50s and early 60s the
Canadians
complained that their beloved Maple trees were dying all over Eastern
Canada. Research revealed that the culprit was acid rain, caused by
untreated emissions from US coal plants in the Mid-West, helped along
towards Canada by the prevailing westerly winds. The US Government
stepped
in and gave the coal plant operators an ultimatum: either fix the problem
of
shut the plants down. Many of the older plants, operating beyond their
life
expectancy and held together by bailing wire and duct tape, simply shut
down. The middle age ones converted to natural gas and the remainder
added
flue gas fly ash mitigation controls. It solved the Canadian issue. Then
came the Arab Oil Embargo of the early 70s. Most of the East Coast plants
were oil fired, as were almost all homes in the American east, and
electric
rates went through the roof. The US Government once again stepper in to
resolve the issue and to prevent American dependency on foreign oil. The
REA (Rural Electrification Association) proposed, financed and built about
40 dual unit coal fired plants in the 500MW to 750MW range per unit,
throughout the Mid-West and the South. Most were built near strip mines,
of
along the Missouri/ Mississippi, where the coal could be transported by
the
barge load. The Feds demanded strict stack emission standards for all
plants and any violation would result in an immediate shutdown. It made
the
Mid-West independent of the East Coast oil fired plants, many of which
were
converted to Natural gas. Strip mining left ugly gashes and piles of
rubble
in the once pristine country side. When the strip mines neared depletion
of
easily accessible coal, protestors demanded a stop to surface mining and
the
restoration to their original natural state of the eyesores it had
created.
Many of the coal plants converted to Natural gas, since it did not require
any stack emission remediation, thus saving piles of money on not having
to
maintain the expensive fly ash controls. The reason dummies like you
think
there are more than 18 coal fired plants in the US is because a lot of
them
started out as such, but became gas fired units, but the name remained the
same. This is what confuses Liberal dummies and dunces like yourself, who
are too lazy or ignorant to the that sort of reasearch for themselves.
You'd rather listen to the shrill voices of non science doofi like AOC,
Bernie Sanders, Al "massage with happy ending" Gore and Bill Nye who is
even
more ignorant than Corey Booker or Nancy, the DNC queen.
If you don't get any of this, try reading it a little slower, Palsing,
after
all, you do have a slight mental handicap.


Hagar, try as you might, you are a just coward who cannot actually defend
his own position.

After all, you think that Google Docs is a valid reference and are STILL
defending it, instead of manning up and admitting that it was a very poor
choice. There is no ****ing way that there are only about 36 coal-fired
power plants in the USA. If there were, you would *easily* be able to
provide evidence for that... but you can't... or you already would have done
so. Talk is cheap, and that is all you are presenting here, talk. No
evidence to support your claims. NADA, Zilch.

Why don't you just howl at the moon, Hagar, because that will bring better
results than this pathetic diatribe of yours, essentially grasping at
straws, and which is totally ineffective!

Google Docs, Sheesh!

*** Thanks for once again confirming what a dumb-ass jerk you really are. I
use Google Docs for a variety of purposes and reasons, none of which really
are your business. If you are ever so convinced that there are more then 10
active Coal Plants operating in the US, then I would hope you'd have proof
of that. You don't, because you're a clueless hack who subscribes to the AOC
doomsday scenario of 12 years, which pretty much defines your level of
intelligence. I don't have to prove that there are only 18, but you should
be obligated to prove me wrong with names and locations ... alas, that would
require a functioning brain and like all true Democrat losers, you try to
wiggle out of it by slinging mud to see what might stick.
Unlike you, I know my facts, because I worked at a lot of the 18 plants from
1972 to 1985. Perhaps you should try to so a search for REA (Rural
Electrification Association) for details. But perhaps you should just
ensconce your head back into your rectum, where it belongs.

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Old May 4th 19, 12:31 AM posted to alt.astronomy
herbert glazier
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Default A brief history of US coal plants

On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 4:59:34 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
Dedicated to that great ignoramus, Palsing.

Palsing, since you seem to be suffering from a permanent case of severe
dumb-****-itis, I'll give you a little dissertation of the history of US
coal fired plants.
During the war effort (WWII, in case you can't figure this out), huge
amounts of power were needed to support the manufacturing sector of the US
economy. Coal was abundant and therefore a whole series of coal plants were
hastily built to that end. Then in the late 50s and early 60s the Canadians
complained that their beloved Maple trees were dying all over Eastern
Canada. Research revealed that the culprit was acid rain, caused by
untreated emissions from US coal plants in the Mid-West, helped along
towards Canada by the prevailing westerly winds. The US Government stepped
in and gave the coal plant operators an ultimatum: either fix the problem of
shut the plants down. Many of the older plants, operating beyond their life
expectancy and held together by bailing wire and duct tape, simply shut
down. The middle age ones converted to natural gas and the remainder added
flue gas fly ash mitigation controls. It solved the Canadian issue. Then
came the Arab Oil Embargo of the early 70s. Most of the East Coast plants
were oil fired, as were almost all homes in the American east, and electric
rates went through the roof. The US Government once again stepper in to
resolve the issue and to prevent American dependency on foreign oil. The
REA (Rural Electrification Association) proposed, financed and built about
40 dual unit coal fired plants in the 500MW to 750MW range per unit,
throughout the Mid-West and the South. Most were built near strip mines, of
along the Missouri/ Mississippi, where the coal could be transported by the
barge load. The Feds demanded strict stack emission standards for all
plants and any violation would result in an immediate shutdown. It made the
Mid-West independent of the East Coast oil fired plants, many of which were
converted to Natural gas. Strip mining left ugly gashes and piles of rubble
in the once pristine country side. When the strip mines neared depletion of
easily accessible coal, protestors demanded a stop to surface mining and the
restoration to their original natural state of the eyesores it had created.
Many of the coal plants converted to Natural gas, since it did not require
any stack emission remediation, thus saving piles of money on not having to
maintain the expensive fly ash controls. The reason dummies like you think
there are more than 18 coal fired plants in the US is because a lot of them
started out as such, but became gas fired units, but the name remained the
same. This is what confuses Liberal dummies and dunces like yourself, who
are too lazy or ignorant to the that sort of reasearch for themselves.
You'd rather listen to the shrill voices of non science doofi like AOC,
Bernie Sanders, Al "massage with happy ending" Gore and Bill Nye who is even
more ignorant than Corey Booker or Nancy, the DNC queen.
If you don't get any of this, try reading it a little slower, Palsing, after
all, you do have a slight mental handicap.


Coal had its day.Only Trump wants those coal days back.He even said the gov..will give you a free shovel and pail.Its no wonder he is in the White House.Ha Ha Ha Bert
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Old May 4th 19, 04:56 AM posted to alt.astronomy
palsing[_2_]
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On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 10:06:57 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:

... I don't have to prove that there are only 18, but you should
be obligated to prove me wrong with names and locations ...


I already did that. Is your short-term memory really that poor? Here is an additional document

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annu...epa_04_01.html

.... which shows that as of 2017 there are still 359 coal power plants in the USA. I'm not making this stuff up, this is a government document. If you dispute its accuracy go complain to the government... I have no motivation to manufacture facts.

alas, that would
require a functioning brain and like all true Democrat losers, you try to
wiggle out of it by slinging mud to see what might stick.
Unlike you, I know my facts, because I worked at a lot of the 18 plants from
1972 to 1985. Perhaps you should try to so a search for REA (Rural
Electrification Association) for details.


Speaking of a functioning brain and details, REA stands for Rural Electrification Administration, not Association...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rura...rification_Act

You like to make a lot of waves but you are sorely lacking in actual evidence.
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Old May 12th 19, 01:31 AM posted to alt.astronomy
herbert glazier
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Default A brief history of US coal plants

On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 4:31:05 PM UTC-7, Herbert Glazier wrote:
On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 4:59:34 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
Dedicated to that great ignoramus, Palsing.

Palsing, since you seem to be suffering from a permanent case of severe
dumb-****-itis, I'll give you a little dissertation of the history of US
coal fired plants.
During the war effort (WWII, in case you can't figure this out), huge
amounts of power were needed to support the manufacturing sector of the US
economy. Coal was abundant and therefore a whole series of coal plants were
hastily built to that end. Then in the late 50s and early 60s the Canadians
complained that their beloved Maple trees were dying all over Eastern
Canada. Research revealed that the culprit was acid rain, caused by
untreated emissions from US coal plants in the Mid-West, helped along
towards Canada by the prevailing westerly winds. The US Government stepped
in and gave the coal plant operators an ultimatum: either fix the problem of
shut the plants down. Many of the older plants, operating beyond their life
expectancy and held together by bailing wire and duct tape, simply shut
down. The middle age ones converted to natural gas and the remainder added
flue gas fly ash mitigation controls. It solved the Canadian issue. Then
came the Arab Oil Embargo of the early 70s. Most of the East Coast plants
were oil fired, as were almost all homes in the American east, and electric
rates went through the roof. The US Government once again stepper in to
resolve the issue and to prevent American dependency on foreign oil. The
REA (Rural Electrification Association) proposed, financed and built about
40 dual unit coal fired plants in the 500MW to 750MW range per unit,
throughout the Mid-West and the South. Most were built near strip mines, of
along the Missouri/ Mississippi, where the coal could be transported by the
barge load. The Feds demanded strict stack emission standards for all
plants and any violation would result in an immediate shutdown. It made the
Mid-West independent of the East Coast oil fired plants, many of which were
converted to Natural gas. Strip mining left ugly gashes and piles of rubble
in the once pristine country side. When the strip mines neared depletion of
easily accessible coal, protestors demanded a stop to surface mining and the
restoration to their original natural state of the eyesores it had created.
Many of the coal plants converted to Natural gas, since it did not require
any stack emission remediation, thus saving piles of money on not having to
maintain the expensive fly ash controls. The reason dummies like you think
there are more than 18 coal fired plants in the US is because a lot of them
started out as such, but became gas fired units, but the name remained the
same. This is what confuses Liberal dummies and dunces like yourself, who
are too lazy or ignorant to the that sort of reasearch for themselves.
You'd rather listen to the shrill voices of non science doofi like AOC,
Bernie Sanders, Al "massage with happy ending" Gore and Bill Nye who is even
more ignorant than Corey Booker or Nancy, the DNC queen.
If you don't get any of this, try reading it a little slower, Palsing, after
all, you do have a slight mental handicap.


Coal had its day.Only Trump wants those coal days back.He even said the gov.will give you a free shovel and pail.Its no wonder he is in the White House.Ha Ha Ha Bert


Trump would like if you shovel coal and got lung cancer Why not.Just think if he got coal dust in his hair .Bert
 




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