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The planet Mercury is about to make its best apparition of the year
I am delighted to help empiricists along in understanding the mess
they created but moreso that it is reflected off the actual understanding of retrogrades,with little or no fuss using contemporary imaging,they can have a first look at Newton's absolute/relative time,space and motion as he intended and why it is idiosyncratic and plain wrong. Retrograde motion,and especially those of the outer planets, are a consequence of a moving Earth periodically overtaking the slower moving outer planets so what we observe are the combined motions of the Earth and the other planet,in this case Mars - http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120809.html Kepler rendered these planetary motions against the stellar background in a graphical form over a period of 18 year just as readers can now imprint the observation as sequential imaging - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...retrograde.jpg "Copernicus, by attributing a single annual motion to the earth, entirely rids the planets of these extremely intricate coils, leading the individual planets into their respective orbits, quite bare and very nearly circular. In the period of time shown in the diagram, Mars traverses one and the same orbit as many times as the 'garlands' you see looped towards the centre, with one extra, making nine times, while at the same time the Earth repeats its circle sixteen times " Astronomia Nova 1609 Isaac comes along with other ideas,he assumes if you drop the Sun into the center of the diagram this suffices to explain away retrograde motion - "For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are always seen direct.." Newton Then you get into absolute/relative time,space and motion and the framework built around Ra/Dec but ultimately it remains contrived and why nobody today expresses the motion of Mercury in true dynamical terms as it swerves around the Sun.There is nothing here that can't be reasoned through with a little familiarity and it has been this way for quite some time,the idea is actually to promote which is right from what is not and the grace to understand the difference. |
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20th attempt to get Oriel to answer a simple astronomical question
Notice how carefully Oriel, over a period of some years, has avoided
explaining exactly where his views and the views of other members of this group differ. He writes whole paragraphs - sometimes nultiple paragraphs - hundreds of times a year but refuses to explain something as basic as this. He also refuses to answer any questions designed to identify what the difference might be. As an example - Oriel, if you look due south at midnight on July 1st and again at midnight on January 1st of the next year will you see the same stars in the same places. Yes or no? |
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20th attempt to get Oriel to answer a simple astronomical question
On Feb 11, 1:21*pm, Martin Nicholson
wrote: Notice how carefully Oriel, over a period of some years, has avoided explaining exactly where his views and the views of other members of this group differ. He writes whole paragraphs - sometimes nultiple paragraphs - hundreds of times a year but refuses to explain something as basic as this. He also refuses to answer any questions designed to identify what the difference might be. As an example - Oriel, if you look due south at midnight on July 1st and again at midnight on January 1st of the next year will you see the same stars in the same places. Yes or no? You only get one shot at the title son and the fact that you included 'et al' ( everyone else) in a game that was impossible to lose,and you lost,makes this merely an indictment on others - https://groups.google.com/group/sci....474760fa?hl=en For everyone else,to lose the attachment between the 24 hour AM/PM system and the Lat/Long system is not just inexcusable,the community loses the mandate to discuss cause and effect where dynamics and terrestrial effects mesh.I cannot even imagine what it must take to act out of cowardice because the alternative is the dreariness of the unfortunate guy here and if people are looking to him for support then God help you all. |
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21st attempt to get Oriel to answer a simple astronomical question
Notice how carefully Oriel, over a period of some years, has avoided
explaining exactly where his views and the views of other members of this group differ. He writes whole paragraphs - sometimes nultiple paragraphs - hundreds of times a year but refuses to explain something as basic as this. He also refuses to answer any questions designed to identify what the difference might be. As an example - Oriel, if you look due south at midnight on July 1st and again at midnight on January 1st of the next year will you see the same stars in the same places. Yes or no? |
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The planet Mercury is about to make its best apparition of the year
On Monday, February 11, 2013 2:29:02 AM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:
Retrograde motion,and especially those of the outer planets, are a consequence of a moving Earth periodically overtaking the slower moving outer planets so what we observe are the combined motions of the Earth and the other planet... Exactly correct, a consequence of a moving Earth overtaking slower outer planets. I you were to stand on Mars, you would also see Jupiter and the other outer planets again in retrograde now and then, and if you were to theoretically stand on Jupiter, so would you see Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, etc, occasionally in retrograde, too. If you were standing on a moving Venus or Mercury, you could then see Earth in retrograde, along with all the other planets. Everyone understand this just fine. However, were you to hypothetically stand on the non-moving Sun, there would be no 'periodically overtaking' of the planets, and no retrograde motion at all would ever be detected, and that is all Newton was saying. What part of 'non-moving' don't you understand? |
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The planet Mercury is about to make its best apparition of the year
On Feb 11, 10:33*pm, palsing wrote:
On Monday, February 11, 2013 2:29:02 AM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote: Retrograde motion,and especially those of the outer planets, are a consequence of a moving Earth periodically overtaking the slower moving outer planets so what we observe are the combined motions of the Earth and the other planet... Exactly correct, a consequence of a moving Earth overtaking slower outer planets. I you were to stand on Mars, you would also see Jupiter and the other outer planets again in retrograde now and then, and if you were to theoretically stand on Jupiter, so would you see Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, etc, occasionally in retrograde, too. If you were standing on a moving Venus or Mercury, you could then see Earth in retrograde, along with all the other planets. Everyone understand this just fine. However, were you to hypothetically stand on the non-moving Sun, there would be no 'periodically overtaking' of the planets, and no retrograde motion at all would ever be detected, and that is all Newton was saying. What part of 'non-moving' don't you understand? The distinction between the inner and outer planets in terms of the illusion of retrogrades can only be maintained within the perspective that retrogrades are non existent and are not intrinsic to the motion of the planet itself,they simply exist as a consequence of a moving Earth and the motion of the other planets around the Sun.The images of a faster moving Venus swerving around the Sun can be set off against retrogrades of the outer planets where the faster motion of the Earth dominates - http://www.masil-astro-imaging.com/S...age%20flat.jpg http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html As for the repulsive conclusion of Newton,that went into creating his absolute/relative time ,space and motion by distorting the actual resolution to create what is an assault on the mind and the eyes - "That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean distances from the sun." Newton Even when shown how Kepler created a representation of the motion of Mars against a moving Earth thereby extracting the orbital periods of each planet,it has as much effect on readers as the easily understood link between the 24 hour AM/PM system and Lat/Long system which allows days /years to transfer directly to rotations/annual circuits.A human being or a group of people who have lost the most basic correspondence between days and rotations of the planet have no intellectual platform,no mandate,nothing but unending mediocrity and tragedy. |
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