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Fermi Paradox
My favorite explanation of the Fermi Paradox is that intelligent life
is an oxymoron. Life and its procreation are driven by primitive instincts. There is nothing outside these instincts that makes life worth living because the concepts of worth and value are defined by these instincts. If the extraterrestrial civilizations had known any universal ideas that gave some things a universal value independent of their instincts, they would have proselytized these ideas and would have colonized the outer space to implement these ideas. If living things or manufactured objects had been valued more than raw materials, the entire universe would have been transformed into the living things or into the manufactured objects. Details: http://www.islandone.org/LEOBiblio/SPBI1GH.HTM#fermi |
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Fermi Paradox
A new book about extraterrestrial life:
Lonely Planets: The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life, Author: David Grinspoon Reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...140055-4600629 |
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Fermi Paradox
A new book about extraterrestrial life:
Lonely Planets: The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life, Author: David Grinspoon Reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...140055-4600629 |
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Fermi Paradox
Andrew Nowicki wrote in message ...
A new book about extraterrestrial life: Lonely Planets: The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life, Author: David Grinspoon Reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...140055-4600629 Coincidentally, I just heard David Grinspoon on the Are We Alone radio show tonight (you can catch it later this week on Saturdays rebroadcast or when they put the MP3 file of the show on the seti.org website.) He did mention his new book, and I liked many of his perspectives on SETI (in the show that is, I haven't read the book.) Like me, he is an advocate for looking for ETI-made artifacts within the solar system. I think even Brad G. :^) of Venus fame would have liked what he said (and David works for NASA, no?) because David thinks the room temperature clouds high in Venus atmosphere could support sulfur loving airborne microorganisms, and also because Venus shows evidence of recent geologic activity. He also mentioned an interest in trying to think out-of-the-box by not looking exclusively from an Earth-centric biology point-of-view; for example he thinks Jupiter's moon IO is a possible candidate because of the geological activity, even with the harsh radiation hazards, he thinks there could be life down inside IO. I missed the first half of the show, so perhaps he covered some other interesting ground. Jason H. |
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Fermi Paradox
Andrew Nowicki wrote in message ...
A new book about extraterrestrial life: Lonely Planets: The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life, Author: David Grinspoon Reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...140055-4600629 Coincidentally, I just heard David Grinspoon on the Are We Alone radio show tonight (you can catch it later this week on Saturdays rebroadcast or when they put the MP3 file of the show on the seti.org website.) He did mention his new book, and I liked many of his perspectives on SETI (in the show that is, I haven't read the book.) Like me, he is an advocate for looking for ETI-made artifacts within the solar system. I think even Brad G. :^) of Venus fame would have liked what he said (and David works for NASA, no?) because David thinks the room temperature clouds high in Venus atmosphere could support sulfur loving airborne microorganisms, and also because Venus shows evidence of recent geologic activity. He also mentioned an interest in trying to think out-of-the-box by not looking exclusively from an Earth-centric biology point-of-view; for example he thinks Jupiter's moon IO is a possible candidate because of the geological activity, even with the harsh radiation hazards, he thinks there could be life down inside IO. I missed the first half of the show, so perhaps he covered some other interesting ground. Jason H. |
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Fermi Paradox
"Andrew Nowicki" wrote in message ... A new book about extraterrestrial life: Lonely Planets: The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life, Author: David Grinspoon Reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...140055-4600629 Thanks for the reference.! Boy, the Amazon reviews of this book are remarkablely positive-except for the one negative review by what seems to be a UFO advocate. Must try to find time to look into it. ...tonyC |
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Fermi Paradox
"Andrew Nowicki" wrote in message ... A new book about extraterrestrial life: Lonely Planets: The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life, Author: David Grinspoon Reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...140055-4600629 Thanks for the reference.! Boy, the Amazon reviews of this book are remarkablely positive-except for the one negative review by what seems to be a UFO advocate. Must try to find time to look into it. ...tonyC |
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Fermi Paradox
"Jason H." wrote in message om... Andrew Nowicki wrote in message ... A new book about extraterrestrial life: Lonely Planets: The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life, Author: David Grinspoon Reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...140055-4600629 Coincidentally, I just heard David Grinspoon on the Are We Alone radio show tonight (you can catch it later this week on Saturdays rebroadcast or when they put the MP3 file of the show on the seti.org website.) He did mention his new book, and I liked many of his perspectives on SETI (in the show that is, I haven't read the book.) Like me, he is an advocate for looking for ETI-made artifacts within the solar system. I think even Brad G. :^) of Venus fame would have liked what he said (and David works for NASA, no?) because David thinks the room temperature clouds high in Venus atmosphere could support sulfur loving airborne microorganisms, and also because Venus shows evidence of recent geologic activity. He also mentioned an interest in trying to think out-of-the-box by not looking exclusively from an Earth-centric biology point-of-view; for example he thinks Jupiter's moon IO is a possible candidate because of the geological activity, even with the harsh radiation hazards, he thinks there could be life down inside IO. I missed the first half of the show, so perhaps he covered some other interesting ground. Jason H. Yes, I like this kind of thinking too! I would agree about Io too--there's a lot of chemistry going on there, particularly if one thinks in terms of life "not-as-we-know-it." And, I must admit, no matter how extreme the environment of Venus is, it still never ceases to fascinate as regards life (as any clouded mystery would and should.) Also, even if we could never relate to it, even in theory, it's also intriguing to contemplate the possibility of other forms of life "beyond our space-time scale," particularly any which might use uncommon forms of energy to earn a living (e.g., nuclear force, gravitation, magnetism.) Thanx, for the audio ref. --this is one I really would like to hear. Regards, ...tonyC |
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Fermi Paradox
"Jason H." wrote in message om... Andrew Nowicki wrote in message ... A new book about extraterrestrial life: Lonely Planets: The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life, Author: David Grinspoon Reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...140055-4600629 Coincidentally, I just heard David Grinspoon on the Are We Alone radio show tonight (you can catch it later this week on Saturdays rebroadcast or when they put the MP3 file of the show on the seti.org website.) He did mention his new book, and I liked many of his perspectives on SETI (in the show that is, I haven't read the book.) Like me, he is an advocate for looking for ETI-made artifacts within the solar system. I think even Brad G. :^) of Venus fame would have liked what he said (and David works for NASA, no?) because David thinks the room temperature clouds high in Venus atmosphere could support sulfur loving airborne microorganisms, and also because Venus shows evidence of recent geologic activity. He also mentioned an interest in trying to think out-of-the-box by not looking exclusively from an Earth-centric biology point-of-view; for example he thinks Jupiter's moon IO is a possible candidate because of the geological activity, even with the harsh radiation hazards, he thinks there could be life down inside IO. I missed the first half of the show, so perhaps he covered some other interesting ground. Jason H. Yes, I like this kind of thinking too! I would agree about Io too--there's a lot of chemistry going on there, particularly if one thinks in terms of life "not-as-we-know-it." And, I must admit, no matter how extreme the environment of Venus is, it still never ceases to fascinate as regards life (as any clouded mystery would and should.) Also, even if we could never relate to it, even in theory, it's also intriguing to contemplate the possibility of other forms of life "beyond our space-time scale," particularly any which might use uncommon forms of energy to earn a living (e.g., nuclear force, gravitation, magnetism.) Thanx, for the audio ref. --this is one I really would like to hear. Regards, ...tonyC |
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Fermi Paradox
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:02:33 +0100 the ET form known as Andrew
sent a radio signal across the vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._. My favorite explanation of the Fermi Paradox is that intelligent life is an oxymoron. Life and its procreation are driven by primitive instincts. There is nothing outside these instincts that makes life worth living because the concepts of worth and value are defined by these instincts. If the extraterrestrial civilizations had known any universal ideas that gave some things a universal value independent of their instincts, they would have proselytized these ideas and would have colonized the outer space to implement these ideas. If living things or manufactured objects had been valued more than raw materials, the entire universe would have been transformed into the living things or into the manufactured objects. Details: http://www.islandone.org/LEOBiblio/SPBI1GH.HTM#fermi My take on the Fermi paradox is a bit different. I assume that a civilisation can become both a space coloniser and extinct. http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/misc/fermi.htm -- epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au apatriot #1, atheist #1417, Chief EAC prophet - Evil Atheist Conspiracy http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/ "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." - Isaac Asimov Fingerprint for PGP Keys at key server or go to http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/ RSA - 71 BA 7C 45 B5 4A 5F EA 72 DB EC 7F 7F A8 70 99 DSS - 9217 21A9 9C3F EB0B E302 AD0E 69C5 0F06 402E 0943 |
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