Coal Fired Power Plants

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Any way you slice it, if the energy for transportayion comes from fossil fuel
burning, then there is still the most undesireable carbon footprint. That's
99+ % . Solar and wind are impractical. Only good answer is nuclear done
right.

Outside of conservative strongholds, many jurisdictions are reducing fossil fuel
burning and eliminating coal burning altogether.

Also all carbon gasses from generators can theoretically be captured and buried
underground or otherwise made solid. You can't do that with cars.

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Also all carbon gasses from generators can theoretically be captured and buried
underground or otherwise made solid. You can't do that with cars.


There is no anywhere near practical way for doing this.

The goal must be to reverse the process as do plants in order to keep the balance of things. In a long run, capturing the CO2 into some solid unusable form would ultimately prove disasterous.

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Also all carbon gasses from generators can theoretically be captured and buried
underground or otherwise made solid. You can't do that with cars.


There is no anywhere near practical way for doing this.

The goal must be to reverse the process as do plants in order to keep the balance of things. In a long run, capturing the CO2 into some solid unusable form would ultimately prove disasterous.

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On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 9:49:45 AM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
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snip Palsing drivel

I don't have to prove anything to you, Palsing. If you and your ignorant
ilk are convinced that life on Earth will end in 12 years unless we all
turn
over our bank accounts to the Liberal Socialist/Democrats, who can't even
fix immigration laws, then all I can say is a hearty "Go for it".
There is a correction to the 18 coal fired power plants in the US, and
that
id that most "Power Plants" are actually dual units of 600 to 750MW each.
So
the actual number of plants is probably around 36. I could probably take
the
time and name all of them, but then deadbeats like you aren't worth the
effort. And even if I did, you'd come up with some other bull****, just
like
your brainless Democrat brethren on Congress. You're on an endless litany
of
self pity. I just want to see your dumb-ass face 12 years from now when
NOTHING has changed ....
This discussion is over, since it is no fun engaging in a battle of wits
with an unarmed man.

This discussion over for you because you can't possibly show that anything I
referenced is wrong... but you just won't admit it since your not adult
enough, apparently... in which case I don't blame you for being a quitter.

As for your claim that there are only about 36 coal-fired power plants in
the USA, well...

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph..._United_States

.... and here is the list of just those that start with the letter "A"...

A. B. Brown Generating Station
A.E. Staley Decatur Power Plant
Abitibi Snowflake Power Plant
ACE Cogeneration Facility
AEP Ohio
AES Greenidge Generation Plant
AES Hawaii Generation Plant
AES Hickling Generation Plant
AES Jennison Generation Plant
AES Shady Point Generation Plant
AES Somerset Generation Plant
AES Thames Generation Plant
AES Warrior Run Generation Plant
AES Westover Generation Plant
Ag Processing Eagle Grove Power Plant
Albright power station
Allen Fossil Plant
Allen S. King Generating Plant
Alloy Steam Station
Alma Station
Altavista Power Station
Amalgamated Sugar Nampa Power Plant
Amalgamated Sugar Twin Falls Power Plant
American Crystal Crookston Power Plant
American Crystal Drayton Power Plant
American Crystal East Grand Forks Power Plant
American Crystal Hillsboro Power Plant
American Crystal Moorhead Power Plant
American Eagle Paper Power Plant
Ames Municipal Power Plant
Amos Plant
Anheuser-Busch St. Louis Power Plant
Antelope Valley Station
Apache Generating Station
Aquila
Arapahoe Station
Archer Daniels Midland Cedar Rapids Power Plant
Archer Daniels Midland Clinton Power Plant
Archer Daniels Midland Decatur Power Plant
Archer Daniels Midland Des Moines Power Plant
Archer Daniels Midland Lincoln Power Plant
Archer Daniels Midland Mankato Power Plant
Archer Daniels Midland Peoria Power Plant
Argus Cogeneration Plant
Armstrong power station
Asbury Generating Station
Asheville Plant
Ashtabula power station
Avon Lake Power Plant

.... and this list goes on and on with about 600 total entries. Admittedly,
this page is from 2015 and is undoubtedly a shorter list now, but it is
unlikely that our country has shed 90% or 95% of these coal plants in the
last 4 years.

Sure, some of them may be quite small, but nevertheless, your claim of
"about 36" is laughable. Again, if you can show that this reference is
incorrect (as of 2015), be my guest.

I won't argue with good logic, but clearly, you have no problem with that.


*** You Losers love to cite lists that are 50 years old. There are 18 Coal
plants operating in the US at this time and by 2040 there will be none. Not
because they are polluting, but because strip mining is an eye sore. I
realize that you will go on for another 2 years with your hype, just like
Dems hyped Collusion and Obstruction for 2 years.

Here is my list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...power_stations

But I know, just like Nadler and company, you'll nitpick it to death.
You Losers need to learn admitting when you're wrong ... nah ...

On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 1:33:28 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:

*** You Losers love to cite lists that are 50 years old.

Well, that is an outright lie, I linked to a list that was produced in 2015 and I specifically pointed that out to you, where I speculated that is was probable that many of those had already closed...

There are 18 Coal
plants operating in the US at this time and by 2040 there will be none. Not
because they are polluting, but because strip mining is an eye sore.

I realize that you will go on for another 2 years with your hype, just like
Dems hyped Collusion and Obstruction for 2 years.

Here is my list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...power_stations

But I know, just like Nadler and company, you'll nitpick it to death.
You Losers need to learn admitting when you're wrong ... nah ...

Well, according to your Wiki source, there are 20 US coal plants on that list, not 18 as you have now claimed, so apparently, you can't count any better than you can do basic research.

But wait, there is more! At the top of *your* page, in the very first sentence, it says, quite clearly...

"The following page lists all coal-fired power stations (including lignite-fired) that are larger than 2,000 MW in current net capacity, which are currently operational or under construction... Those power stations that are smaller than 2,000 MW... may be found in regional lists.

Perhaps you missed this very important statement?

So, the last column of the list is labeled as "Ref", which I assume is for 'reference', and when you go down to the [4] footnote click on it, it takes you to this page...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/eia860m/

.... which is a "Preliminary Monthly Electric Generator Inventory" for the USA. there is a map on that page, this map...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data...ary2019map.png

.... which indicate all of the power generating plants currently in operation, and please note that this is definitely NOT a 50-year-old list, but rather is from February of this year, 2019. Note that the gray dots represent coal-fired power plants and note also that there are a whole lot more than 20 on this map... in fact, there are hundreds of gray dots...

Keep in mind that all these references stem directly from *your* referenced page. Go back to the [4] page and download the most recent inventory list, that being the February 2019 XLS list at the head of the column on the right-hand side of the page... and guess what you get? A list that shows over 200 power plants that are coal-fired.

All from your very own link.

Now, what was that other claim you made earlier? Oh yeah... "You Losers need to learn admitting when you're wrong ... "

Are *you* ready to admit that you are wrong? Probably not, you aren't man enough to do that... are you?

"palsing" wrote in message
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On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 1:33:28 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:

*** You Losers love to cite lists that are 50 years old.

Well, that is an outright lie, I linked to a list that was produced in 2015
and I specifically pointed that out to you, where I speculated that is was
probable that many of those had already closed...

There are 18 Coal
plants operating in the US at this time and by 2040 there will be none.
Not
because they are polluting, but because strip mining is an eye sore.

I realize that you will go on for another 2 years with your hype, just
like
Dems hyped Collusion and Obstruction for 2 years.

Here is my list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...power_stations

But I know, just like Nadler and company, you'll nitpick it to death.
You Losers need to learn admitting when you're wrong ... nah ...

Well, according to your Wiki source, there are 20 US coal plants on that
list, not 18 as you have now claimed, so apparently, you can't count any
better than you can do basic research.

But wait, there is more! At the top of *your* page, in the very first
sentence, it says, quite clearly...

"The following page lists all coal-fired power stations (including
lignite-fired) that are larger than 2,000 MW in current net capacity, which
are currently operational or under construction... Those power stations that
are smaller than 2,000 MW... may be found in regional lists.

Perhaps you missed this very important statement?

So, the last column of the list is labeled as "Ref", which I assume is for
'reference', and when you go down to the [4] footnote click on it, it takes
you to this page...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/eia860m/

.... which is a "Preliminary Monthly Electric Generator Inventory" for the
USA. there is a map on that page, this map...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data...ary2019map.png

.... which indicate all of the power generating plants currently in
operation, and please note that this is definitely NOT a 50-year-old list,
but rather is from February of this year, 2019. Note that the gray dots
represent coal-fired power plants and note also that there are a whole lot
more than 20 on this map... in fact, there are hundreds of gray dots...

Keep in mind that all these references stem directly from *your* referenced
page. Go back to the [4] page and download the most recent inventory list,
that being the February 2019 XLS list at the head of the column on the
right-hand side of the page... and guess what you get? A list that shows
over 200 power plants that are coal-fired.

All from your very own link.

Now, what was that other claim you made earlier? Oh yeah... "You Losers need
to learn admitting when you're wrong ... "

Are *you* ready to admit that you are wrong? Probably not, you aren't man
enough to do that... are you?


*** I tried to research the (ancient) list you posted and of the first 5
only one was even listed and that was the Abitbi plant in Arizona, which is
the standard, cookie cutter, Combined Cycle plant used by product
manufacturers and their independent production plant power supply, as not to
be dependent upon the services of the regional power company. Combined
Cycle plants consist of two Gas Turbine Generators whose exhaust gasses are
routed into a Steam Generator (Boiler) and ALWAYS supplemented by Natural
Gas to drive a third generator.
This alone shows me what a fraud you are. However, your brainwashing seems
to have been a raging success. You should fit right in with the 20 morons of
the apocalyptic DNC, vying for the ruination of this once great Nation ...
that is, unless The Donald wins and rids America of dummies like yourself.
And yes, your idiotic list is from the glory days of King Coal, alas, faded
into obsolescence and mothball status.

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
"palsing" wrote in message
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On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 1:33:28 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:

*** You Losers love to cite lists that are 50 years old.

Well, that is an outright lie, I linked to a list that was produced in 2015
and I specifically pointed that out to you, where I speculated that is was
probable that many of those had already closed...

There are 18 Coal
plants operating in the US at this time and by 2040 there will be none.
Not
because they are polluting, but because strip mining is an eye sore.

I realize that you will go on for another 2 years with your hype, just
like
Dems hyped Collusion and Obstruction for 2 years.

Here is my list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...power_stations

But I know, just like Nadler and company, you'll nitpick it to death.
You Losers need to learn admitting when you're wrong ... nah ...

Well, according to your Wiki source, there are 20 US coal plants on that
list, not 18 as you have now claimed, so apparently, you can't count any
better than you can do basic research.

But wait, there is more! At the top of *your* page, in the very first
sentence, it says, quite clearly...

"The following page lists all coal-fired power stations (including
lignite-fired) that are larger than 2,000 MW in current net capacity, which
are currently operational or under construction... Those power stations that
are smaller than 2,000 MW... may be found in regional lists.

Perhaps you missed this very important statement?

So, the last column of the list is labeled as "Ref", which I assume is for
'reference', and when you go down to the [4] footnote click on it, it takes
you to this page...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/eia860m/

... which is a "Preliminary Monthly Electric Generator Inventory" for the
USA. there is a map on that page, this map...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data...ary2019map.png

... which indicate all of the power generating plants currently in
operation, and please note that this is definitely NOT a 50-year-old list,
but rather is from February of this year, 2019. Note that the gray dots
represent coal-fired power plants and note also that there are a whole lot
more than 20 on this map... in fact, there are hundreds of gray dots...

Keep in mind that all these references stem directly from *your* referenced
page. Go back to the [4] page and download the most recent inventory list,
that being the February 2019 XLS list at the head of the column on the
right-hand side of the page... and guess what you get? A list that shows
over 200 power plants that are coal-fired.

All from your very own link.

Now, what was that other claim you made earlier? Oh yeah... "You Losers need
to learn admitting when you're wrong ... "

Are *you* ready to admit that you are wrong? Probably not, you aren't man
enough to do that... are you?


*** I tried to research the (ancient) list you posted and of the first 5
only one was even listed and that was the Abitbi plant in Arizona, which is
the standard, cookie cutter, Combined Cycle plant used by product
manufacturers and their independent production plant power supply, as not to
be dependent upon the services of the regional power company. Combined
Cycle plants consist of two Gas Turbine Generators whose exhaust gasses are
routed into a Steam Generator (Boiler) and ALWAYS supplemented by Natural
Gas to drive a third generator.
This alone shows me what a fraud you are.

What are you talking about? This page...

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...ke_Power_Plant

.... clearly says "Abitibi Snowflake Power Plant is a coal-fired power station owned and operated by AbitibiBowater near Snowflake, Arizona. It powers AbitibiBowater's Snowflake pulp and paper mill."

If this information is incorrect, how would that possibly be my fault? Are you now going to claim that this reference is bull****? Do you have evidence that this source is bull****? Do you expect me to simply take your word for it? You're kidding, right?

However, your brainwashing seems
to have been a raging success. You should fit right in with the 20 morons of
the apocalyptic DNC, vying for the ruination of this once great Nation ....
that is, unless The Donald wins and rids America of dummies like yourself..
And yes, your idiotic list is from the glory days of King Coal, alas, faded
into obsolescence and mothball status.

Just which 'ancient' list are you referring to? I'm not a mind reader. I did reference a long list of coal plants, but that list was from 2015, not exactly ancient, and I already stated that many of them already might be closed...

In any case, it is not *my* list, it was provided by the internet. I know zero about the power industry and can only research it the same way that anyone else would research it. Even if you are correct about this particular power plant in Arizona, you STILL did not provide any evidence to support your claim about it.

I note you've made no comment about the map which was referenced in the footnotes of "your" list, which I can only assume that you stand behind since you claim to know much more about this industry than I do... and I have no reason to dispute you about that.

Also, I note that you've made no comment about the February 2019 list of powerplants from the EIA...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annu...epa_04_01.html

.... which clearly states that there are still 359 coal-fired power plants in the USA. I don't blame you for your lack of comment, you can't possibly defend your position, you can only resort to attacking the messenger.

This entire thread (or more correctly threads) started because you referenced a Google Doc that had already made its way around the internet several times that has at least one glaring error in it, and I called you on that error for not researching the stuff that you put forward as true.

All you had to do then was say something like "I missed that", but you would rather wage a losing battle rather than ever admit that you made an error, and then proceed to compound the whole thing by following with even more errors!

You should take the advice of Will Rodgers, who said... "When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.�

"Hägar" wrote in message
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Here is a summary of the of the World's Coal Fired Power Plants, active and
planned for construction. It is time for the Liberal Lefty Doomsday Loons
to pull their respective noggins out of their rectums and realize that the
US contribution to their dreaded Global Warming with CO2 emissions is a
fraction of a percent.
Good God, you brainwashed people are really stupid

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

***Hags can't help himself. He'd rather suck in coal dust than clean air.
He actually believes there is such a thing as "clean coal."

"palsing" wrote in message
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On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
"palsing" wrote in message
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On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 1:33:28 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:

*** You Losers love to cite lists that are 50 years old.

Well, that is an outright lie, I linked to a list that was produced in
2015
and I specifically pointed that out to you, where I speculated that is was
probable that many of those had already closed...

There are 18 Coal
plants operating in the US at this time and by 2040 there will be none.
Not
because they are polluting, but because strip mining is an eye sore.

I realize that you will go on for another 2 years with your hype, just
like
Dems hyped Collusion and Obstruction for 2 years.

Here is my list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...power_stations

But I know, just like Nadler and company, you'll nitpick it to death.
You Losers need to learn admitting when you're wrong ... nah ...

Well, according to your Wiki source, there are 20 US coal plants on that
list, not 18 as you have now claimed, so apparently, you can't count any
better than you can do basic research.

But wait, there is more! At the top of *your* page, in the very first
sentence, it says, quite clearly...

"The following page lists all coal-fired power stations (including
lignite-fired) that are larger than 2,000 MW in current net capacity,
which
are currently operational or under construction... Those power stations
that
are smaller than 2,000 MW... may be found in regional lists.

Perhaps you missed this very important statement?

So, the last column of the list is labeled as "Ref", which I assume is for
'reference', and when you go down to the [4] footnote click on it, it
takes
you to this page...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/eia860m/

... which is a "Preliminary Monthly Electric Generator Inventory" for the
USA. there is a map on that page, this map...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data...ary2019map.png


*** snip mindless drivel
So this collection of overlapping dots is the best you could come up with
??? Sure the date says 2019, and I don't doubt that it has actually been
updated rather than PhotoShopped, but who updated all the decommissioned
coal plants and the coal to gas conversions ??? Perhaps you should get
Robert Mueller to investigate this ... I'm sure that CNN would jump on it
and you could make it a campaign issue: "US runs the cleanest Coal Plants in
the World".

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 12:27:50 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
"palsing" wrote in message
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On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
"palsing" wrote in message
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On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 1:33:28 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:

*** You Losers love to cite lists that are 50 years old.

Well, that is an outright lie, I linked to a list that was produced in
2015
and I specifically pointed that out to you, where I speculated that is was
probable that many of those had already closed...

There are 18 Coal
plants operating in the US at this time and by 2040 there will be none.
Not
because they are polluting, but because strip mining is an eye sore.

I realize that you will go on for another 2 years with your hype, just
like
Dems hyped Collusion and Obstruction for 2 years.

Here is my list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...power_stations

But I know, just like Nadler and company, you'll nitpick it to death.
You Losers need to learn admitting when you're wrong ... nah ...

Well, according to your Wiki source, there are 20 US coal plants on that
list, not 18 as you have now claimed, so apparently, you can't count any
better than you can do basic research.

But wait, there is more! At the top of *your* page, in the very first
sentence, it says, quite clearly...

"The following page lists all coal-fired power stations (including
lignite-fired) that are larger than 2,000 MW in current net capacity,
which
are currently operational or under construction... Those power stations
that
are smaller than 2,000 MW... may be found in regional lists.

Perhaps you missed this very important statement?

So, the last column of the list is labeled as "Ref", which I assume is for
'reference', and when you go down to the [4] footnote click on it, it
takes
you to this page...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/eia860m/

... which is a "Preliminary Monthly Electric Generator Inventory" for the
USA. there is a map on that page, this map...

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data...ary2019map.png


*** snip mindless drivel
So this collection of overlapping dots is the best you could come up with
??? Sure the date says 2019, and I don't doubt that it has actually been
updated rather than PhotoShopped, but who updated all the decommissioned
coal plants and the coal to gas conversions ??? Perhaps you should get
Robert Mueller to investigate this ... I'm sure that CNN would jump on it
and you could make it a campaign issue: "US runs the cleanest Coal Plants in
the World".

So, you cannot refute the map's information and you cannot supply evidence to support your position. Why am I not surprised? Either you can support your claims or you can't.

I have supported mine and you have not supported yours.

You sure are talking a lot, considering that 4 days ago you stated that "this discussion is over"... you should have quit when you were only a little bit behind...

"If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."
- Will Rogers