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Old March 25th 10, 03:36 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
Pat Flannery
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On 3/24/2010 2:43 PM, Rick Jones wrote:
Sure, but Mal de Mere will still have you puking your guts out - for
days instead of minutes

rick jones
at least the QM2 doesn't look like a container ship for people...


The outside is okay looking, but the inside is the knockout part.
The Planetarium: http://www.skyskan.com/Company/press/qm2sails.html
For external looks as well as a beautiful interior, it would be hard to
ever beat the Normandie, which looked like a art object as much as a
ship: http://www.lategreatliners.com/france_normandie.htm
They even decked over the bow anchor chains so they wouldn't spoil the
smooth lines of the ship.

Pat


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Old March 25th 10, 01:28 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
dakotatelephone...
On 3/24/2010 12:08 PM, David Spain wrote:
David writes:

Virgin Galactic Business Express, LA to Sidney in 45 minutes, mark my
words...

Well maybe not 45 minutes if they plan to serve a meal (and have it
retained)
on the flight, but 2 hours would be just fine... ;-)


You try to serve them food in zero g, and the thing will become the Vomit
Comet II.
They'll be lucky if around a third of the passengers don't puke within a
couple of minutes of going weightless, even after training.


Just like the best amusement park rides. ;-)

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Old March 25th 10, 01:33 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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On 3/24/2010 12:02 PM, David Spain wrote:
Virgin Galactic Business Express, LA to Sidney in 45 minutes, mark my
words...

OK, well not with SS2, perhaps, but SS3, or SS4? We'll see....
Sir Richard is crazy, no doubt. Like a fox.


An airline flight you have to train for?
That sorta defeats the purpose of the speedy flight. :-)
Me, I'd take the Queen Mary 2.
$200,000 could buy you around nine world cruises in economy class on that
ship, or over two top-of-the-line ones with a private suite:
http://book.cunard.com/find/pb/searc...&ship=&dat e=


The "astronaut training" is part of the "experience".

Plus, the safety lecture on *every* airline flight is more CYA than anything
else, and this "astronaut training" will be full of CYA information and
training experience. Despite making everyone sign a waiver, when the first
fatal accident happens, you can bet Virgin Galactic will be sued by some of
the best blood thirsty lawyers out there. Providing extensive "astronaut
training" prior to the first flight will be shown in court to prove that the
participants were *fully* informed over a period of days of the dangers they
might expect.

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Old March 25th 10, 01:38 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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"Rick Jones" wrote in message
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In sci.space.history David Spain wrote:
So what are rides on White Knight II going for?


Old data:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/foru...8099;topicseen

The craft is surprisingly acrobatic, too. That means it is able to
offer passengers zero-gravity flights. At the moment, a Boeing 727
provides such flights commercially for the Zero Gravity
Corporation, a travel company. But the 727 is an ageing and
thirsty vehicle. Mr Whitehorn reckons that, subject to the
appropriate permissions, White Knight Two could offer zero-G
flights for around $1,000 each, a fifth of the fare now charged.


Heck, I'd pay good money just to ride on White Knight Two just to see a
suborbital launch from that viewpoint. It would sure beat trying to watch
from the ground!

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Old March 25th 10, 02:13 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On Mar 24, 9:36*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 3/24/2010 2:43 PM, Rick Jones wrote:

Sure, but Mal de Mere will still have you puking your guts out - for
days instead of minutes


rick jones
at least the QM2 doesn't look like a container ship for people...


The outside is okay looking, but the inside is the knockout part.
The Planetarium:http://www.skyskan.com/Company/press/qm2sails.html
For external looks as well as a beautiful interior, it would be hard to
ever beat the Normandie, which looked like a art object as much as a
ship:http://www.lategreatliners.com/france_normandie.htm
They even decked over the bow anchor chains so they wouldn't spoil the
smooth lines of the ship.

Pat


The all look like the Titanic to me ;^)

Just my $0.02
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Old March 25th 10, 03:44 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
dakotatelephone...
On 3/25/2010 4:33 AM, Jeff Findley wrote:
The "astronaut training" is part of the "experience".


The "experience" being how a fool and his $200,000 are soon parted for a
short period in free-fall.
Think of it as a "learning experience", similar to the ones engaged in by
former tycoons in 1929 as they hurled themselves out of the window.


They aren't selling trips to the middle class (i.e. this isn't marketed to
the same people who are looking for "deals" on cruise liners). Instead,
it's going to be a joy ride for the rich and famous. These are the same
sort of people who would book flights on the Concorde when it was still
flying and who think nothing of dropping $100k plus for yet another car in
their stable. Why? Because they can!

This is similar to early airlines. They were only affordable by the rich an
famous. When the rich were traveling long distances by airplanes, the
middle class was still stuck traveling by slow, smoke belching coal fired
trains and ships.

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Old March 25th 10, 05:50 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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On 3/25/2010 5:13 AM, Space Cadet wrote:

The all look like the Titanic to me ;^)


Titanic looked streamlined for its time period by having fairly low
funnels...combined with getting rid of a lot of the ugly lifeboats. ;-)
For _really_ sleek ocean liners, one must travel to the age of
Streamline Moderne: http://davidszondy.com/future/Living/futureliner.htm
http://lh5.ggpht.com/abramsv/SE770k7...abbfff9b_o.jpg
Even the pencil sharpeners looked like they were going around 300 mph
http://adrianwinter.co.uk/logbooks/3...es/Rapener.jpg
And the trains might well be able to fly to Mars if they ever lifted off
of their tracks:
http://obviousmag.org/en/archives/20...ond_loewy.html
That bottom one looks like a self-propelled volcanic eruption. :-D

Pat
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Old March 25th 10, 06:05 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
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In sci.space.history Jeff Findley wrote:
Heck, I'd pay good money just to ride on White Knight Two just to
see a suborbital launch from that viewpoint. It would sure beat
trying to watch from the ground!


I wonder if WK2 has windows in the roof, or if the passengers (if any)
will have to fight for spots on windows on one side of the craft to
watch the ascent of SS2.

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Old March 25th 10, 06:27 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
Pat Flannery
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Default VSS Enterprise completes first flight under its carrier aircraft

On 3/25/2010 4:33 AM, Jeff Findley wrote:
The "astronaut training" is part of the "experience".


The "experience" being how a fool and his $200,000 are soon parted for a
short period in free-fall.
Think of it as a "learning experience", similar to the ones engaged in
by former tycoons in 1929 as they hurled themselves out of the window.

Pat
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Old March 25th 10, 06:51 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history
Jeff Findley
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"Rick Jones" wrote in message
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In sci.space.history Jeff Findley wrote:
Heck, I'd pay good money just to ride on White Knight Two just to
see a suborbital launch from that viewpoint. It would sure beat
trying to watch from the ground!


I wonder if WK2 has windows in the roof, or if the passengers (if any)
will have to fight for spots on windows on one side of the craft to
watch the ascent of SS2.


Why wonder? Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SS2_and_VMS_Eve.jpg

The fueselage design for SS2 and WK2 are shared, so they both have lots of
windows. The nose art is interesting too. ;-)

Jeff
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