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Shuttle launch tonight at 7:43:44 EDT
"Androcles" wrote:
"Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... "Androcles" wrote: I'll take my chances with the ISS if it serves as a platform to research and forecast tornadoes, earthquakes and other natural phenomena that are real hazards, the benefits outweigh the risk. Well, you're already screwed then as the ISS isn't now, nor planned to be in the future, involved in any significant investigations of such things. You must be an American. The ISS is INTERNATIONAL, read the small print. As a multinational project, the legal and financial aspects of the ISS are complex. Issues of concern include the ownership of modules, station utilisation by participating nations, and responsibilities for station resupply. No, I'm just someone actually familiar with the station and the general types of science it is equipped to perform research into. That you simply reguritated a heap of irrelevant text rather than refuting my claims as to the types of science not being performed tells me much. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/ -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
"Jorge R. Frank" wrote in message ... Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote: wrote in message ... I'm curious, do they have explosive bolts and small motors on this thing to break it apart before it would ever deorbit? No. It will be de-orbited the same way that Mir was. Its orbit will be allowed to decay. Before it becomes completely unmanagable, an attached Progress will further lower its orbit until it breaks up and re-enters over the Pacific. ISS will use an ATV rather than a Progress due to its greater mass. Yeah, my bad. I googled after posting and noticed that NASA was looking at that option. My understanding was that it was still just a study, not definite yet? Someone (either Gerstenmaier or Suffredini) confirmed the ATV option at a recent press conference where the question came up. For the life of me I can't remember how the subject came up, but my reaction was the same, "so ATV's official now? Guess so." |
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"Dave Holford" wrote in message ... "Golden California Girls" wrote in message ... Dave Holford wrote: "Androcles" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... I'm curious, do they have explosive bolts and small motors on this thing to break it apart before it would ever deorbit? I can see the US not being able to support it in a few years, and considering what happened with MIR and that Russian RORSAT, it seems likely that ISS would dump enough junk when it burns up to be real hazard. In other words, are there built in provisions for taking out the trash a decade or so from now? Steve How many burn ups have been a real hazard in the past? If you want to say any flying object is a real hazard, all aircraft are real hazards. Crossing the road is a real hazard. House fires are a real hazard. Sinking ferries are a real hazard. Train wrecks are a real hazard. 70% of the Earth's surface is water, 1.5% is the USA and most of that is woodland, farmed prairie or desert. I'll take my chances with the ISS if it serves as a platform to research and forecast tornadoes, earthquakes and other natural phenomena that are real hazards, the benefits outweigh the risk. Skylab dropped some really heavy pieces on Australia but nobody was hurt. That and the Cosmos that dropped radioactive debris on northern Canada are the only ones I can recall that dropped any really hazardous debris, and neither one hurt anyone. You are forgetting a shuttle. No, I could be wrong but I don't think the shuttle dropped any chunks the size of the ones from Skylab. There were some pretty hefty things like titanium tanks dug out of Australian farms. But I'm sure some of the regulars here have more accurate data than my memory. Columbia burnt up over Texas. http://fr.truveo.com/NASA-SHUTTLE-CO.../id/1565068977 |
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"Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... "Androcles" wrote: "Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... "Androcles" wrote: I'll take my chances with the ISS if it serves as a platform to research and forecast tornadoes, earthquakes and other natural phenomena that are real hazards, the benefits outweigh the risk. Well, you're already screwed then as the ISS isn't now, nor planned to be in the future, involved in any significant investigations of such things. You must be an American. The ISS is INTERNATIONAL, read the small print. As a multinational project, the legal and financial aspects of the ISS are complex. Issues of concern include the ownership of modules, station utilisation by participating nations, and responsibilities for station resupply. No, I'm just someone actually familiar with the station and the general types of science it is equipped to perform research into. That you simply reguritated a heap of irrelevant text rather than refuting my claims as to the types of science not being performed tells me much. Your ability to say "No, you are not an American" and foretell the future tells me you are a ****wit. *plonk* Do not reply to this generic message, it was automatically generated; you have been kill-filed, either for being boringly stupid, repetitive, unfunny, ineducable, repeatedly posting politics, religion or off-topic subjects to a sci. newsgroup, attempting free advertising, because you are a troll, simply insane or any combination or permutation of the aforementioned reasons; any reply will go unread. Boringly stupid is the most common cause of kill-filing, but because this message is generic the other reasons have been included. You are left to decide which is most applicable to you. There is no appeal, I have despotic power over whom I will electronically admit into my home and you do not qualify as a reasonable person I would wish to converse with or even poke fun at. Some weirdoes are not kill- filed, they amuse me and I retain them for their entertainment value as I would any chicken with two heads, either one of which enables the dumb bird to scratch dirt, step back, look down, step forward to the same spot and repeat the process eternally. This should not trouble you, many of those plonked find it a blessing that they are not required to think and can persist in their bigotry or crackpot theories without challenge. You have the right to free speech, I have the right not to listen. The kill-file will be cleared annually with spring cleaning or whenever I purchase a new computer or hard drive. I hope you find this explanation is satisfactory but even if you don't, damnly my frank, I don't give a dear. Have a nice day. |
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"Golden California Girls" wrote in message
... Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote: "Sjouke Burry" wrote in message ... Pat Flannery wrote: Sjouke Burry wrote: There is enough atmosphere drag to remove it from space if you leave it alone for a few years. At the moment it gets an occasional boost to avoid that. The trick is getting it to come down over a uninhabited area, so any debris that survives the reentry doesn't injure anyone, rather than just fall at random. Pat So add one small booster to influence the orbit just before re-entry. Which is the point of the ATV solution. And it's not exactly "small" booster you need. From its present orbit, I'd agree. From its orbit a couple of passes before it falls anyway, no. Well NASA seems to have done the math and decided an ATV is required. -- Greg Moore Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC. |
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Sjouke Burry wrote: The trick is getting it to come down over a uninhabited area, so any debris that survives the reentry doesn't injure anyone, rather than just fall at random. Pat So add one small booster to influence the orbit just before re-entry. That's exactly what they intend to do; according to Jorge R. Frank, they will use a ESA ATV as a retro module. Pat |
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Shuttle launch tonight at 7:43:44 EDT
"Androcles" wrote in message ... "Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... "Androcles" wrote: "Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... "Androcles" wrote: I'll take my chances with the ISS if it serves as a platform to research and forecast tornadoes, earthquakes and other natural phenomena that are real hazards, the benefits outweigh the risk. Well, you're already screwed then as the ISS isn't now, nor planned to be in the future, involved in any significant investigations of such things. You must be an American. The ISS is INTERNATIONAL, read the small print. As a multinational project, the legal and financial aspects of the ISS are complex. Issues of concern include the ownership of modules, station utilisation by participating nations, and responsibilities for station resupply. No, I'm just someone actually familiar with the station and the general types of science it is equipped to perform research into. That you simply reguritated a heap of irrelevant text rather than refuting my claims as to the types of science not being performed tells me much. Your ability to say "No, you are not an American" and foretell the future tells me you are a ****wit. *plonk* Do not reply to this generic message, it was automatically generated; you have been kill-filed, either for being boringly stupid, repetitive, unfunny, ineducable, repeatedly posting politics, religion or off-topic subjects to a sci. newsgroup, attempting free advertising, because you are a troll, simply insane or any combination or permutation of the aforementioned reasons; any reply will go unread. Boringly stupid is the most common cause of kill-filing, but because this message is generic the other reasons have been included. You are left to decide which is most applicable to you. There is no appeal, I have despotic power over whom I will electronically admit into my home and you do not qualify as a reasonable person I would wish to converse with or even poke fun at. Some weirdoes are not kill- filed, they amuse me and I retain them for their entertainment value as I would any chicken with two heads, either one of which enables the dumb bird to scratch dirt, step back, look down, step forward to the same spot and repeat the process eternally. This should not trouble you, many of those plonked find it a blessing that they are not required to think and can persist in their bigotry or crackpot theories without challenge. You have the right to free speech, I have the right not to listen. The kill-file will be cleared annually with spring cleaning or whenever I purchase a new computer or hard drive. I hope you find this explanation is satisfactory but even if you don't, damnly my frank, I don't give a dear. Have a nice day. For the benefit of lurkers: Wackypedia defines an Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. Plonking someone can hardly be the action of troll. |
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Shuttle launch tonight at 7:43:44 EDT
"Androcles" wrote in message ... Garbage that I don't care to put up with any more.... *Plonk* you big jerk |
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Shuttle launch tonight at 7:43:44 EDT
"The Big DP" wrote in message ... "Androcles" wrote in message ... Garbage that I don't care to put up with any more.... *Plonk* you big jerk Someone's upset... You are in the wrong newsgroup. I write about science and mathematics; if you wish to write about me then try any of alt.social.interaction, sci.diplomacy, junk.religion, alt.flame, alt.local.village.idiot, a finishing school for debutantes who are coming out, "People" magazine or other group that doesn't subscribe to math or science, although why you would want to is a mystery only you can answer. If you wish to say that I am wrong on some point of math or science then point it out and we'll discuss it, but if you merely wish to say I am wrong according to your pathetic philosophy of everybody has to agree with you and be polite, regardless of logic, then again you are in the wrong group. I am not that interesting, but there is no accounting for taste. It is after all your choice. You are certainly of zero interest to me, ****in' opinionated prima donnas like you never are. Perhaps you just like bitching about off-topic subjects and ignoring the newsgroup charter, you rude, hypocritical *******. I suggest you look to your own hypocrisy and **** off, taking your spam with you. |
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