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The perpetual calendar
Brian M. Scott wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:36:07 +1100, Peter Moylan gro.nalyomp@retep wrote in .au in sci.lang,alt.usage.english,sci.astro: Tak To wrote: Brian M. Scott wrote: [...] I much prefer 'CE' to 'AD', and yes, I do take it to stand for 'Common Era': that was how I learnt it in the first place. I prefer something like "Common Year" to "Common Era". The former is more like a convention/scale/unit (cf "Celsius") whereas the latter implies that there was/is a common recognition about "the era". It seems to me that the choice between "Christian" and "Common" is a minor detail compared with the glaring inappropriateness of the word "Era". Surely that means a span of years, with a beginning and an end. That is only one meaning. Another is 'a fixed point in time from which a series of years is reckoned', and yet another -- the one in use here -- is 'a system of chronological notation computed from a given date as basis'. It's all confused by the way the Americans pronounce it: "error" to non-rhotic ears. -- Rob Bannister |
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The perpetual calendar
Robert Bannister wrote:
Brian M. Scott wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:36:07 +1100, Peter Moylan gro.nalyomp@retep wrote in .au in sci.lang,alt.usage.english,sci.astro: [...] It seems to me that the choice between "Christian" and "Common" is a minor detail compared with the glaring inappropriateness of the word "Era". Surely that means a span of years, with a beginning and an end. That is only one meaning. Another is 'a fixed point in time from which a series of years is reckoned', and yet another -- the one in use here -- is 'a system of chronological notation computed from a given date as basis'. It's all confused by the way the Americans pronounce it: "error" to non-rhotic ears. 'Americans' is much too broad: many Americans pronounce the first syllable to rhyme with ear. Brian |
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The perpetual calendar
Brian M. Scott wrote:
Robert Bannister wrote: Brian M. Scott wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:36:07 +1100, Peter Moylan gro.nalyomp@retep wrote in .au in sci.lang,alt.usage.english,sci.astro: [...] It seems to me that the choice between "Christian" and "Common" is a minor detail compared with the glaring inappropriateness of the word "Era". Surely that means a span of years, with a beginning and an end. That is only one meaning. Another is 'a fixed point in time from which a series of years is reckoned', and yet another -- the one in use here -- is 'a system of chronological notation computed from a given date as basis'. It's all confused by the way the Americans pronounce it: "error" to non-rhotic ears. 'Americans' is much too broad: many Americans pronounce the first syllable to rhyme with ear. Brian Thank you. I knew a lot of them were civilised; it's just that I keep hearing "error" on TV. -- Rob Bannister |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news (was: The perpetual calendar)
On 2010-03-11, Brian M. Scott wrote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:41:10 +0800, Robert Bannister wrote in in sci.lang,alt.usage.english,sci.astro: [(B)CE for BC/AD:] It was a pointless change, which, in any case, has only been adopted by a few. In fact it's becoming increasingly common in the U.S. Just saw this in the news: Students want ‘Our Lord' phrase off diplomas A group of students at Trinity University is lobbying trustees to drop a reference to “Our Lord” on their diplomas, arguing it does not respect the diversity of religions on campus. “A diploma is a very personal item, and people want to proudly display it in their offices and homes,” said Sidra Qureshi, president of Trinity Diversity Connection. “By having the phrase ‘In the Year of Our Lord,' it is directly referencing Jesus Christ, and not everyone believes in Jesus Christ.” ... Other students and President Dennis Ahlburg have defended the wording, arguing that references to the school's Presbyterian roots are appropriate and unobtrusive. ... McNamara [president of the College Republicans] pointed out that Trinity displays other signs of its Christian heritage, including a chapel on campus, a chaplain, Christmas vespers and a Bible etching on the Trinity seal. “Once you remove that phrase, where do you draw the line?” McNamara asked. http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/edu...iplomas .html Umm, the name of the university it a bit of a give-away too. -- Steve: Now, okay. I did say that monkeys could program Visual Basic. Leo: But not that all Visual Basic programmers are monkeys. Steve: Exactly. [Security Now 194] |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news (was: The perpetual calendar)
On Apr 1, 3:13*pm, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2010-03-11, Brian M. Scott wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:41:10 +0800, Robert Bannister wrote in in sci.lang,alt.usage.english,sci.astro: [(B)CE for BC/AD:] It was a pointless change, which, in any case, has only been adopted by *a few. In fact it's becoming increasingly common in the U.S. Just saw this in the news: * Students want Our Lord' phrase off diplomas * A group of students at Trinity University is lobbying trustees to * drop a reference to Our Lord on their diplomas, arguing it does * not respect the diversity of religions on campus. * A diploma is a very personal item, and people want to proudly * display it in their offices and homes, said Sidra Qureshi, * president of Trinity Diversity Connection. By having the phrase In * the Year of Our Lord,' it is directly referencing Jesus Christ, and * not everyone believes in Jesus Christ. * ... * Other students and President Dennis Ahlburg have defended the * wording, arguing that references to the school's Presbyterian roots * are appropriate and unobtrusive. * ... * McNamara [president of the College Republicans] pointed out that * Trinity displays other signs of its Christian heritage, including a * chapel on campus, a chaplain, Christmas vespers and a Bible etching * on the Trinity seal. * Once you remove that phrase, where do you draw the line? McNamara * asked. http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/edu...t_Our_Lord_phr... Umm, the name of the university it a bit of a give-away too. It's a bit surprising for a Presbyterian institution. |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news (was: The perpetual calendar)
Brian Scott:
[(B)CE for BC/AD:] In fact it's becoming increasingly common in the U.S. Adam Funk: Just saw this in the news... A group of students at Trinity University is lobbying trustees to drop a reference to "Our Lord" on their diplomas, Note that this is not the same thing. I use AD happily; he's not *my* lord, but that's not what the expression says, and he is *a* lord to some people. arguing it does not respect the diversity of religions on campus. ... McNamara [president of the College Republicans] pointed out that Trinity displays other signs of its Christian heritage, including a chapel on campus, a chaplain, Christmas vespers and a Bible etching on the Trinity seal. He or she has certainly got a point there. Umm, the name of the university it a bit of a give-away too. Well, not necessarily, although it is suggestive. St. Paul College http://www.saintpaul.edu in Minnesota isn't a religious college -- it's located in the city of St. Paul. -- Mark Brader | "I do have an idea ... based on the quite obvious fact Toronto | that the number two is ridiculous and can't exist." | -- Ben Denison (Isaac Asimov, "The Gods Themselves") My text in this article is in the public domain. |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news (was: The perpetual calendar)
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:13:12 +0100, Adam Funk
wrote: On 2010-03-11, Brian M. Scott wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:41:10 +0800, Robert Bannister wrote in in sci.lang,alt.usage.english,sci.astro: [(B)CE for BC/AD:] It was a pointless change, which, in any case, has only been adopted by a few. It has plenty of point. In fact it's becoming increasingly common in the U.S. And especially in archaeology journals. Just saw this in the news: Students want Our Lord' phrase off diplomas I agree with whoever said this is not the same thing as AD. It would be the same thing as AND or ADN. My Latin is rusty so I don't remember if it would be Anno Neustri Domini or Anno Domini Neustri, or maybe neustro is only Spanish. I have a Latin dictionary somewhere...where is it? Anno domini means year of a lord or maybe year of the lord (since iirc there is no "the" in Latin) But if they're going to throw in pronouns, I'll throw in my own and figure it means "Year of Their Lord". A group of students at Trinity University is lobbying trustees to drop a reference to Our Lord on their diplomas, arguing it does not respect the diversity of religions on campus. A diploma is a very personal item, and people want to proudly display it in their offices and homes, said Sidra Qureshi, president of Trinity Diversity Connection. By having the phrase In the Year of Our Lord,' it is directly referencing Jesus Christ, and not everyone believes in Jesus Christ. What I don't understand is why those who don't believe in Jesus Christ keep calling him Jesus Christ. Isn't the core of the question whether he was a christ or not? It seems to me they weaken the appearance of their argument, or the argument itself, when they call him by a title one would otherwise think they think he doesn't deserve. ... Other students and President Dennis Ahlburg have defended the wording, arguing that references to the school's Presbyterian roots are appropriate and unobtrusive. ... McNamara [president of the College Republicans] pointed out that Trinity displays other signs of its Christian heritage, including a chapel on campus, a chaplain, Christmas vespers and a Bible etching on the Trinity seal. Yes, I think this guy has a hard row to hoe regarding a Christian college or even one with a Christian heritage. Maybe he had no idaa what trinity meant in this context, but he has to pay for that. If he went to a public college or university, I think he'd be right, not just for his diploma but for everyone's. I wonder what the status of that is. Once you remove that phrase, where do you draw the line? McNamara asked. http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/edu...iplomas .html Umm, the name of the university it a bit of a give-away too. Yup. |
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"Year of Our Lord" in the news (was: The perpetual calendar)
On 1 Apr 2010 20:19:32 -0700, R H Draney wrote:
filted: What I don't understand is why those who don't believe in Jesus Christ keep calling him Jesus Christ. Isn't the core of the question whether he was a christ or not? It seems to me they weaken the appearance of their argument, or the argument itself, when they call him by a title one would otherwise think they think he doesn't deserve. What would everyone else call him, then?..."Jesus bar Joseph"?... No. "Josh Carpenter"?...r I call him Jesus. If that would ever not be enough to make it clear, I would say Jesus of Nazareth. I have noticed that some radio and tv reporters and news readers call him Jesus and some call him Jesus Christ. I think in the spirit of objective reporting, they should all call him Jesus or Jesus of Nazareth. It's a theological position to call him "Jesus Christ". |
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