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"How Does Light 'Know' How Fast to Travel?"
On 4 Sept, 18:38, John Kennaugh
wrote in sci.physics.relativity: Tom Roberts wrote: John Kennaugh wrote: Tom Roberts wrote: John Kennaugh wrote: SR is now a 'principle theory' and as such is only a mathematical model. It has nothing to say on the subject as to what physical processes the maths is describing [...] no alternative physical explanation of what SR is describing has been put forward What "physical explanation" would you "put forward" for the fact that light travels along a straight line? Note you must first "put forward" a "physical explanation" for what a straight line is. Interesting how much you have snipped. Not because you agree with it but because you cannot fault it. No, I snipped because your verbiage was IRRELEVANT to the central issue, which I chose to address. It isn't irrelevant. It is what a great deal of modern physics has been built upon. Is there any more meaningful definition of 'straight' than it is the path light takes. Light travels in straight lines - by definition. I see. So you don't require "physical processes" either. So you cannot logically require SR to provide them. SR is not a physical theory - I made that perfectly clear. Physical processes must be involved in the transfer of light from A to B which the mathematical model you call SR is describing. Einstein put forward no specific hypothesis of what those physical processes might be and 100 years on that situation remains. Lorentz did but his explanation is contrary to present dogma. I'll remark that there are MANY other meanings and definitions of "straight" than those related to light. I am straight in both my dealings and my sexual orientation. I was assuming you meant 'straight' in the physical sense. I know no way of checking whether something is straight which does not either consist of comparing it with another object assumed to be straight or assuming that light travels in straight lines. In SR, the fact that light travels at c is GEOMETRICAL, not "physical", as is the fact it travels along straight lines. No. Geometry is a purely mathematical description. Of real aspects of our world. Or alternative worlds. You cannot transport energy from A to B by means of geometry. I never said or implied that one could. But one CAN infer what "straight" means from geometry. And one can infer what "c" is from the geometry of SR. History: It was believed light is a wave travelling in the aether (Maxwell). The experiment to show the observers speed relative to the aether showed it to be zero - the second postulate describes exactly what an observer stationary w.r.t the aether would experience but no specific hypothesis was put forward as to how an observer can always be stationary w.r.t the aether or what else might be going on. The geometry of SR was constructed by Minkowski assuming the light principle is correct with no specific hypothesis put forward as to physical process involved. You cannot turn around and say that the light principle is correct because the geometry constructed assuming it to be correct shows it to be so. That is circular. Circular but works. In Einstein zombie world. A few years ago Roberts and his brothers taught something much more idiotic and it worked as well (in Einstein zombie world): http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...4b543c9ed073e? Pentcho Valev |
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