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No you're still THE village idiot, BradBoi! lmfjao!

Saul Levy


On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:47:55 -0800 (PST), BradGuth
wrote:

That's good to hear that I'm not the one and only village idiot that's
posting my deductive though often a bit too dyslexic encrypted logic,
plus observationology pertaining to Guth Venus.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

In article ,
"Painius" wrote:

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Does anybody know the mass limits? What is the mass
upper limit for a neutron star just before it would be
massive enough to not allow even light to escape and
therefore be a black hole?

The Schwartzchild radius of a neutronium sphere becomes as large as the
object itself at around 3 solar masses. But what determines the maximum
mass of a neutron star is the amount of pressure that neutron-degeneracy
can resist; this "Tolman-Oppenheimer-Volkoff limit" is rather uncertain
and subject to revision, but (according to Wikipedia) current estimates
make the maximum mass between 1.5 and 3 Suns.

--
Odysseus

"Jeff?Relf" wrote in message...
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What does my code have to do with a 4-D field, gravity ?
My code is virtual, a 4-D field has a true “ Up � and a true “ Time
�.

Irregardless of what is or isn't known,
a 4-D field is infinite in extent, the landscape/timescape is unbounded,
static, motionless and randomness ― it's everything yet nothing.

It has no true beginning or end, nothing caused it.

Suppose we give you that much, Jeff. After all, it's not
like it's something that can be proved one way or the
other. Does it have to mean that *other* things about
the Cosmos are the same? that other things have no
cause, they just are?

Gravity, for instance. Is gravity something that just is?
That's pretty much what Newton thought. And since his
bent was religious, he attributed all things without any
explanation, things that "just are", to God. God made
gravity. Einstein didn't do much better. He still gave
us no cause for gravity.

What do *you* think causes the pressure that keeps
your feet on the pavement? While your body is trapped
by gravity, your mind doesn't have to be imprisoned by
anything such. Your mind can soar.

What do you see when your mind soars?

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: "The cause is hidden. The effect is visible to all."
Ovid

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"Odysseus" wrote...
in message news
In article ,
"Painius" wrote:

Does anybody know the mass limits? What is the mass
upper limit for a neutron star just before it would be
massive enough to not allow even light to escape and
therefore be a black hole?

The Schwartzchild radius of a neutronium sphere becomes as large as the
object itself at around 3 solar masses. But what determines the maximum
mass of a neutron star is the amount of pressure that neutron-degeneracy
can resist; this "Tolman-Oppenheimer-Volkoff limit" is rather uncertain
and subject to revision, but (according to Wikipedia) current estimates
make the maximum mass between 1.5 and 3 Suns.

--
Odysseus

Thank you, Odysseus! So it sounds as if it's that
window, the one ranging between 1.5 and 3 Suns,
that gives rise to the controversy involving quark
stars and strange stars.

We really need to get out there, find some of these
things and study them. It's so frustrating sometimes
to be stuck on this planet.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: "The cause is hidden. The effect is visible to all."
Ovid

P.P.S.: http://yummycake.secretsgolden.com
http://garden-of-ebooks.blogspot.com
http://painellsworth.net

Painius I read for a black hole to form rather than a neutron star the
supernova would have to be 3 times greater. Greater meaning 3 times mass
density. So if you squeezed 3 neutron stars together without creating a
greater surface area it would have an event horizon. I think
Shwartzchild would agree with that TreBert

Jeff To say push for gravity is WRONG is rather harsh. Reason is GR and
quantum gravity are not RIGHT on the money. Best we think in every
direction,for gravitation is mother nature big mystery. Curving space
is the best we have(Einstein) My convex curve is the best I could come
up with after knocking my brain out for 70 years thinking of gravity.
Biggest clue that helps my Spin is in Theory comes from a gyro spinning
keeps it from lying on its side TreBert

Painius Attraction over distance.by gravitons (quantum gravity) is
tricky stuff. Newton would not touch how gravity can do it. 350 years
have gone by and we are not any closer. We are lucky to have GR for even
if it is wrong it works well. I think Einstein deserved a Nobel for GR
over the one he got for photons. Well Painius my Spin is in theory
taking in gravitation over distance has gravitons the fastest spinning
of massless particles(such as photons) and sure enough they spin twice
as fast as photons(they have spin 2 Reality is we have to study more on
supersymmetry Again my Spin is in theory gives this higher symmetry,and
some day I hope it will become one of the laws of nature Go
figure TreBert

oc You last statement ( just is) reminds me on gravitons Where there is
a graviton there is gravity. It fits TreBert

On Nov 11, 12:19*am, "Painius" wrote:
"Jeff?Relf" wrote...

It has no true beginning or end, nothing caused it.

Suppose we give you that much, Jeff. *After all, it's not
like it's something that can be proved one way or the
other. *Does it have to mean that *other* things about
the Cosmos are the same? that other things have no
cause, they just are?

Gravity, for instance. *Is gravity something that just is?
That's pretty much what Newton thought. *And since his
bent was religious, he attributed all things without any
explanation, things that "just are", to God. *God made
gravity. *Einstein didn't do much better. *He still gave
us no cause for gravity.

What do *you* think causes the pressure that keeps
your feet on the pavement? *While your body is trapped
by gravity, your mind doesn't have to be imprisoned by
anything such. *Your mind can soar.

What do you see when your mind soars?

Do you not realize that at no other time in human history, we now have
a true and bona fide 'litmus test' for any theory of the _cause_ of
gravity? Just think - before the discovery in recent decades of super/
hypernovae and quasars, there was no absolute example that would
challenge prevailing theories. Take any of these theories, equations,
geometry, metrics, "curvature" of 'Something that is yet Nothing',
"gravitons", and demand that it demonstrate the mechanism that
literally POWERS these stupendous gravitational phenomena. What do
these theories, these euphamisms and abstract *descriptions of
effects* offer?

Often it's -

"It just is."

Doh.

P.S.
Forgot to include '4-D fields' in that list of
euphamisms and 'abstract descriptions of effects'.