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Old January 31st 04, 07:00 AM
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Min, Min, Min......you do realize that Pravda, these days, is essentially a
Russian version of the Weekly World News, right?

OK, that might be an exaggeration, but go hit their site sometime, dude. I
mean, besides links to the Russian-language edition of Fark (www.fark.ru),
they have articles about a girl with x-ray vision, and another asking if
dragons are real.

Perhaps a better comparison would be "The Daily Show with John Stewart"
where they treat mainstream news with irreverence, and the hokey, silly crap
(like this) with serious reverence.

"Astronaut" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Rudolph_X wrote:
Would you believe it? According to the Russians, Neil Armstrong was not
the first man to walk on the moon. Indeed, they claim that it was
Michael Jackson who truly was the first American to do a moonwalk.
Here's an article from Pravda that gives a Russian perspective.
-http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/...928_space.html
"One cosmonaut who was sent in far outer space reportedly experienced
the Van Allen Belts harmful effects firsthand. According to various
sources, while he left white, he came back black; he was cooked to a
crisp due to the harmful radiation. This was despite heavy shielding to
dissipate any rays, which did no good. Those who knew about this
incident were reportedly devastated."

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Excellent Article!! The fact is about 1 in 6 Americans
are smart enough to realize when they've been had. But
con artists still flourish in America (to wit Enron et
al) because 5 of every 6 Americans are easily duped by
unscrupulous swindlers--like the "men to moon" hoaxers
who defrauded America & the world back in 1969 to 1972.
This is an excellent article...I've quoted it verbatim:

[begin quote http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/...28_space.html]
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"Russia Continues to Surpass Americans in the
Space Race 01/30/2004 16:55
Cosmonauts May Soon Add Another One to the Russian
Space List of Firsts

On July 25, 1969, many Americans watched their
televisions in awe as astronaut Neil Armstrong
walked on the moon and said, "One small step for
man, one giant leap for mankind." Americans were
amazed at what advances in technology had
produced: a man on the moon. Ticker tape parades
greeted returning astronauts. America had proven
itself a leader in the space race.
Lately, some have begun to suggest that this was
not the case at all; some people have suggested
that America never made it to the moon and that it
was
just an illusion made with trick photography. Bart
Sibrel is one of those people. He made a video
called, "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the
Moon," in which he provides much documentation to
suggest that man has yet to walk on the moon. Is
this possible? Could have America faked the entire
moon landing?
On first thought, it might sound ludicrous for
many--to think that man has not walked on the
moon. After all, it would require such a grand
conspiracy that, certainly, someone who was privy
to such information would have spoken.
Nevertheless, there are those who are skeptical of
this moon-walking.
Surprisingly, some of the ideas presented by them
are not as preposterous as they might sound. Based
on surveys, it has been estimated that between 6
and 20 percent of Americans do not believe a man
actually walked on the moon. Are 6-20 percent of
Americans fools, or are they a little brighter
than the rest?
In order to fully understand the claim that man
did not walk on the moon, the events leading up to
this event that most Americans consider an
historic fact must be re-examined and scrutinized.
We must go back in time, when the space race
between Russia (or the Soviet Union, as it was
known then) first started. By doing this, I feel
that you will better understand the arguments both
for and against the claim of man walking on the
moon.
What I present here may shock many fellow
Americans, as we generally view our nation and its
space exploration program as being, by far,
superior to that of all other nations. After all,
we were the first nation to have "a man walk on
the moon" (or so we believe). While this might
possibly be true that America was the first nation
to have a man walk on the moon (though there is
evidence to suggest otherwise). As difficult as it
may be for many to admit, this appears to be the
only "first" America had in the great space race.
If we are to be honest, during the "space race"
from the late-1950s until the time American
astronauts were to have walked on the moon, Russia
was utterly devastating America. This was probably
both due to the fact that Russians were highly
educated and the fact that, with Russia's strict
Communist leadership at the time, failure was not
an option. And Russia's society encouraged
intelligence, whereas America's society has
beenencouraging a host of things--such as artying
and irresponsibility--none of which promoted
intelligence.
In 1957, America was astonished, as was the rest
of the world, when it was discovered that a
Russian satellite, Sputnik, had gone into outer
space. People were absolutely amazed that such a
device made it into outer space. Not only was the
scientific community of America in awe, but so too
was the American military, who were greatly
concerned about Russia having the ability to put
such a device in outer space.
Later that year, Russia again made a first, when a
small dog, Laika (which means "barker"), was
launched into outer space. This again sent
shockwaves throughout the world. Americans heard
about this and were astonished that a dog went
into outer space. This dog was actually put into
orbit, and unfortunately died 6 hours later while
in space, not being able to withstand the rigors
involved.
Meanwhile, in 1957, while America stood shocked at
Russia's progress, America attempted to launch its
own satellite into outer space. This was meant to
show the Russians that America too was a contender
in the space race. A satellite was to accompany
the rocket, which had been tested for stress.
America felt everything was prepared. But the
rocket blew up at the launch pad, never leaving
the ground. It was an international embarrassment.
In 1959, trying to copy what Russia had done two
years prior, America was finally getting an animal
into outer space. A couple of monkeys went up only
300 miles for just 15 minutes total. This, of
course, was a far cry from the orbit in which the
Russian dog was put two years previous. However,
the monkeys did return alive.
While America was sending rockets up for 15
minutes in 1959, Russia was again making
shockwaves when its satellite Luna-1 flew by the
moon. Later in 1959, the Russian satellite Luna-2
reached the moon's surface and left national
symbols of the then-USSR. Again in 1959, the
satellite Luna-3 made another first for Russia,
when it took pictures of the far side of the moon,
transmitting these pictures back to Russia.
Russia also had the first space probe to circle
the earth.
A couple years later in 1961, Russia then became
the first country to have a man orbit the earth,
Yuri Gagarin, who road aboard the space craft
Vostok. This again astonished the international
community, who were surprised that such a feat
never tried before could be accomplished. While
the Russians were orbiting the earth, the American
Alan Shepard was launched just 115 miles into
space, not even going close to the distance
Russia's dog had traveled two years prior; and he
landed in the Atlantic Ocean 15 minutes later.
Meanwhile, Russia again had nother first in 1961,
when its interplanetary probe Venera-1 was
launched to Venus.
In 1962, America became the second country to have
a man of its own in orbit around the earth, John
Glenn. Parades greeted John Glenn when he
returned. Due to his notoriety, he later became a
U.S. Senator because Americans care more for
celebrity status than fit politicians.
President John F. Kennedy at this time said
America would have a man on the Moon by the end of
the decade. He was later assassinated in 1964,
leaving his dream of having a man on the moon to
be fulfilled by others.
In 1962, Russia was the first nation to have two
rockets with cosmonauts in outer space at the same
time. It was known as the first "formation flying"
in space when the two manned spacecraft, Vostok-3
and Vostok-4, traveled near each other in unison.
In 1963 Russian cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova
became the first woman in space. She was aboard
the Vostok-6. Not only was this significant by the
fact that she was a woman, but she was also just a
regular person, who had worked at a textile
factory. So she was also the first public citizen
in space, not being the typical cosmonaut.
In 1964, trying to duplicate what Russia had done
back in 1959, America launched the Ranger VII,
which took pictures of the moon and then
crash-landed into it. Nevertheless, it did send
some interesting images of the moon, close-up
images that attracted a great deal of curiosity to
Americans, who might have only been able to have
seen such images if Russia had shared theirs.
In 1964, Russia became the first nation to have
launched two satellites, Elektron-1 and
Electron-2, while just using one rocket.
In 1965, tragedy struck when the American rocket
Atlas blew up on the launch pad, causing
incredible damage. This terrible event sent a
chill up many potential astronauts' backs. It
re-emphasized the importance of safety
precautions. Some feel that this accident was not
quite that--that it may have very well have ended
that way due to some astronauts not wanting to go
along with a plan; in short, some feel they were
assassinated by their very own government. It is
not known what evidence such thoughts are based
on, however, if any.
Russia too had a disaster related to safety at a
different time, in which many engineers died. This
had occurred several years prior. Nevertheless,
over the years, Russia has shown itself to be
much, much safer in its space flights and landings
than America.
In the year that America's rocket was smoldering
on the launch pad, on March
18, 1965, Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov took the first
space walk, a ten-minute
tethered excursion outside Voshkod 2. On June 3,
1965, Edward White II is the first American to
walk in space on Gemini 4, though not as far out
in space. He stayed out for 22 minutes.
In 1966, Neil Armstrong and other astronauts went
in space aboard the Gemini VIII and Agina. They
met amid outer space and docked. Later, a
malfunction with Armstrong's rocket caused him to
return to earth prematurely, but fortunately no
one was injured.
Meanwhile in 1966, Russia became the first nation
to have an unmanned space probe, the Lunar IX, to
actually land softly on the moon. It transmitted
pictures from its surface back to earth. Also in
1966, the Venera-3 became the first spacecraft to
reach the surface of Venus. National symbols of
the USSR were left there. In 1966, Russia had the
first satellite put in orbit around the moon, the
Lunar X space probe.
In 1967, Russia had the first two unmanned
spacecrafts that automatically met in space then
docked and undocked.
Also in 1967, tragedy struck three American
astronauts who died while sitting inside a rocket.
Their capsule burst into flames. The reason why it
caught fire is largely unknown; it is thought to
have started as the result of a spark of unknown
origin that was somehow able to ignite the
extremely well-insulated fuel tanks. Again, some
feel that there may be more to this incident than
we currently know.
In 1968, Russia's unmanned rocket Zond-5 became
the first to travel around the moon and return
back to earth unscathed. Russia was the first to
have a manned spacecraft orbit the earth, Vostok,
several years prior. Russia had already showed the
world that it was the first to have an unmanned
spacecraft, the Lunar IX, softly land on the moon,
and now it showed the world that it could even
have an unmanned spacecraft circle the moon and
return, with Zond-5.
Why didn't Russia then send up a man on one of its
spacecrafts to the moon?
It would have seemed simple enough. I'll get to
this later.
1969 - Again, Russia had another first: The first
docking of manned spacecraft (Soyuz-4 and
Soyuz-5), and crew transfer from one spacecraft to
the other through open space.
1969 - Still another first for Russia occurred:
The first formation flying of three manned
spacecraft, Soyuz-6, Souyz-7 and Soyuz-8, during
which they maneuvered relatively close to each
other, with ground facilities providing
simultaneous support for the three spacecraft.
Meanwhile, in America, the end of the decade was
approaching. The late-President John F. Kennedy's
dream was becoming just that: a dream. Violence
gripped America, with the war in Viet Nam and
racial riots across America's cities. America's
leaders were desperately looking for
"heroes"--some people to keep the public's minds
off of the problems at home. America was looking
for something to distract Americans from the
failing policies. America's leaders wanted to show
the world that its insane policies were a match to
the highly educated Russians and their orderly
society. While America's wars at home and abroad
were causing much turmoil, America desperately
needed some "pride"--anything for which to be
proud.
Russians had wanted to go to the moon. However,
there were many concerns
with safety. The Van Allen Belts released a deadly
radiation that could easily fry a person to death.
Plus, the moon is 250,000 miles away--quite a
distance. While I'm not familiar with how fast the
rockets were, traveling at 1,200 miles per hour,
it would be approximately a 20-day journey each
way, provided there were no problems. Even at 2-3
times that speed, it would still be a difficult
journey. The amount of fuel required would be
staggering, with the added weight of people, food,
air, supplies, etc. Yet somehow, these rockets
managed to go much, much faster in a zero
atmosphere with nothing with which to propel?
Perhaps, the speed is possible, yet one cannot
deny the deadly radiation rays out in space known
as the Van Allen Belts.
One cosmonaut who was sent in far outer space
reportedly experienced the Van
Allen Belts harmful effects firsthand. According
to various sources, while he left white, he came
back black; he was cooked to a crisp due to the
harmful radiation. This was despite heavy
shielding to dissipate any rays, which did no
good. Those who knew about this incident were
reportedly devastated.
Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, as Americans and
the rest of the world stood
in front of their televisions, two astronauts
stepped on the moon in 1969. Up until then,
America was putting people about 400 miles away in
orbit--far away from the harmful Van Allen Belts.
But suddenly Americans made it into outer
space--landing and walking on the moon--250,000
miles away, no less?
In 1965, the U.S. made a fake moon landscape,
which was used for testing a space vehicle. Some
have suggested the scenery for the moon landing
was faked. Could this have been it?
Russia seemed to continue to have "firsts"--except
for the moon landing. On
April 19, 1971, they had the first Space Station.
The Soviets launch Salyut 1, the first orbiting
space station. Salyut 1's original crew reportedly
died during re-entry on June 30, 1971. Georgi
Bobroeolski, Vladislav Volkov, and Victor Patsayev
had spent a new record of 23 days in outer space.
It wasn't for two more years that the first
American Space Station--May 14, 1973--was
developed. The first American space station,
Skylab, is damaged during launch. The first of
three crews arrive 11 days later for a 28-day
stay. They make in-orbit repairs and set records
for time spent in space.
Russia had the first woman, Svetlana Savitskaya,
to participate in a space walk on July 17, 1984.
With her partner, Vladimir Dzhanibekov, she
conducted welding experiments for over three hours
outside the Soviet space station Salyut 7.
Savitskaya had become the second woman to fly in
space during a Soviet mission in 1982.
There were all these "firsts" by Russia. Yet
Russia has yet to land a man on the moon? Why?
While people seldom hear about it, nor do they
listen even if so, Russian Cosmonaut Boris Volynov
has gone on record saying that he does not believe
that Americans landed on the moon. It seems he is
far from the only one to think this way. Indeed,
it is doubtful he is the only cosmonaut to feel
this way.
Further, one astronaut--Neil Armstrong, the first
man to walk on the moon--has confirmed some
doubts. This is not to say that he supports the
contention that man did not land on the moon. He
is an astronaut, after all. He probably enjoys the
notoriety. And you have to wonder if some of the
past astronauts might have been given the death
sentence for planning to go on record about such
things? Or were there merely some bad "accidents"?
Whatever the case may be, Armstrong is getting
older. And he does seemingly admit that something
is amiss.
Indeed, there is definitely something wrong here.
If you take a moment to view video footage of the
moon landing by U.S. astronauts from back in the
1960s, you'll notice that the dust kicked up by
astronauts immediately settles down, just as if it
was sand on the beach. Yet we all know that not
only does the moon have less gravity, but it also
has zero-atmosphere. Therefore, the moon dust
should travel further given the force and little
to counteract it. Yet, for some strange,
unexplained reason, the moon dust resettles back
to the ground at the same gravitational rate of 32
ft./sec. as the earth.
In a letter I received back from the astronaut
Armstrong, which asked him about this strange fact
of the same gravitational pull on both the moon
and earth, the response I was sent surprisingly
admitted that, yes, the gravitational pull should
be different. Of course, Armstrong didn't come
right out and admit that this was the case. That
might be the death sentence for him--similar to
what 3 other U.S. astronauts experienced in the
1960s when their simulated rocket mysteriously
blew up during a ground test? Oh, it was just an
accident? It makes you pause for a moment.
Now, of course, it looks like the race to Mars has
begun. U.S. President George W. Bush has stated
that, perhaps, man will walk on Mars by the year
2020. Bush stated that NASA may send astronauts to
the moon again so that they may experience the
effects of space travel shortly before sending
them to Mars.
But if you look at the facts, you really have to
wonder: Has man made it to
the moon yet?

Mark Farrell
Pravda.Ru http://www.pravda.us"
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Old February 1st 04, 04:33 AM
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Default First Moonwalk? A Russian Perspective

"Jason Donahue" wrote in
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Could you be so kind not to repost all this off topic drivel? Once is
enough.
Thanks for your understanding.
And PDFTT. Thanks again.



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Old February 1st 04, 04:33 AM
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Default First Moonwalk? A Russian Perspective

"Jason Donahue" wrote in
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Could you be so kind not to repost all this off topic drivel? Once is
enough.
Thanks for your understanding.
And PDFTT. Thanks again.



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Old February 1st 04, 04:33 AM
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Default First Moonwalk? A Russian Perspective

"Jason Donahue" wrote in
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snip

Could you be so kind not to repost all this off topic drivel? Once is
enough.
Thanks for your understanding.
And PDFTT. Thanks again.



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