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Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
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Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed? -------------------------------------------------------------- It appears to be even, in the sense that the number of quasars per unit solid angle is uniform over the entire sky. If quasar distribution is even then universe was homogeneous at birth, but if it is uneven, then other universes are nearby and tugging at our universe. Really? Gosh!! If the skew is really bad - i.e. its a straight line, then probably the origin of the universe is from two massive black holes colliding at immense speeds many orders of magnitude faster than c. Uh...? What...? For a short period, the resulting debris field would behave identical to inflation. But soon after that, space and time Do you know what (early cosmic) inflation is? will have been born and everything restricted to traveling at c. Quasars are probably the black hole bits from the original bang that escaped first without having been vaporized. Their geometric distribution across the sky is key to understanding the original structure from whence they came from. So if the distribution is more or less uniform, then what? -- Mike Dworetsky (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) |
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Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
Mike Dworetsky wrote:
7 wrote: Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed? -------------------------------------------------------------- It appears to be even, in the sense that the number of quasars per unit solid angle is uniform over the entire sky. Is it also uniform over different bands of z? Very interesting to know. The quasars with highest z had the longest time to be affected by imperfections in the big bang. Plus are you sure it is even distribution? I can't find a single work showing that this is the case. |
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Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
On Aug 26, 3:54*am, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote: 7 wrote: Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed? -------------------------------------------------------------- It appears to be even, in the sense that the number of quasars per unit solid angle is uniform over the entire sky. If quasar distribution is even then universe was homogeneous at birth, but if it is uneven, then other universes are nearby and tugging at our universe. Really? *Gosh!! If the skew is really bad - i.e. its a straight line, then probably the origin of the universe is from two massive black holes colliding at immense speeds many orders of magnitude faster than c. Uh...? What...? For a short period, the resulting debris field would behave identical to inflation. But soon after that, space and time Do you know what (early cosmic) inflation is? will have been born and everything restricted to traveling at c. Quasars are probably the black hole bits from the original bang that escaped first without having been vaporized. Their geometric distribution across the sky is key to understanding the original structure from whence they came from. So if the distribution is more or less uniform, then what? -- Mike Dworetsky (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) No direction favors quasars. At their great distance they have to be about 1,000 times brighter than our galaxy. This great brightness comes from their massive black hole feeding on solar masses. One a day.We are lucky they give out strong radio signals. Quasar 3C 273 is 30 million times smaller than the Milky Way yet it turns out more energy in one second than the Sun does in three million years (WOW TreBert |
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Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
Dear Yousuf Khan:
On Aug 25, 7:52*pm, Yousuf Khan wrote: On 25/08/2011 3:38 PM,dlzcwrote: On Aug 25, 11:31 am, Yousuf *wrote: .... We know what quasars are, they are blackholes as you say, but they are just the normal blackholes at the centers of galaxies that are actively swallowing gas from their galaxies, also known as Active Galactic Nuclei (AGNs). The gas that escapes the accretion disk then gets propelled out through polar jets. Like the Milky Way has right now. http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/gam-bub.htm ... *someone* out there would sees us as a quasar. I saw this as a sign that we were an AGN in the past, but are not one right now. But then again with intergalactic distances, somebody looking back at us from another galaxy, might just see us at the exact right moment when we were erupting. What makes you think we've stopped? All we can see is the skin of a normal matter balloon, displacing normal matter. We have just seen / noticed this. We don't know if contents are diffusing across the balloon walls (similar to a heliosheath), or if the balloon is getting larger. We don't know what the contents of the balloons are, but "everyone" says it is Dark. David A. Smith |
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Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
Dear 7:
On Aug 26, 2:21*am, 7 email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets .com wrote: Mike Dworetsky wrote: 7 wrote: Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed? -------------------------------------------------------------- It appears to be even, in the sense that the number of quasars per unit solid angle is uniform over the entire sky. Is it also uniform over different bands of z? Very interesting to know. You have access to the data, and it references the paper that tells how to understand the data format. It is not too large to be contained in an Excel spreadsheet. Why do you charge others with *your* understanding? The quasars with highest z had the longest time to be affected by imperfections in the big bang. No, not true. Lowest z is closest, with oldest contents, most "affected by imperfections in the Big Bang". Plus are you sure it is even distribution? I can't find a single work showing that this is the case. You have the data. Get off your lazy butt and look. David A. Smith |
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Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
On 26/08/2011 10:48 AM, dlzc wrote:
I saw this as a sign that we were an AGN in the past, but are not one right now. But then again with intergalactic distances, somebody looking back at us from another galaxy, might just see us at the exact right moment when we were erupting. What makes you think we've stopped? All we can see is the skin of a normal matter balloon, displacing normal matter. We have just seen / noticed this. We don't know if contents are diffusing across the balloon walls (similar to a heliosheath), or if the balloon is getting larger. We don't know what the contents of the balloons are, but "everyone" says it is Dark. I'd expect to see a jet in the middle of that bubble if we were still erupting. Yousuf Khan |
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Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
Yousuf Khan wrote in -
lp.com: On 26/08/2011 10:48 AM, dlzc wrote: I saw this as a sign that we were an AGN in the past, but are not one right now. But then again with intergalactic distances, somebody looking back at us from another galaxy, might just see us at the exact right moment when we were erupting. What makes you think we've stopped? All we can see is the skin of a normal matter balloon, displacing normal matter. We have just seen / noticed this. We don't know if contents are diffusing across the balloon walls (similar to a heliosheath), or if the balloon is getting larger. We don't know what the contents of the balloons are, but "everyone" says it is Dark. I'd expect to see a jet in the middle of that bubble if we were still erupting. Yousuf Khan I don't know why david has the notion that an AGN is somehow invisible to the host galaxy... |
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Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
Dear Eric Gisse:
On Aug 26, 3:14*pm, eric gisse wrote: Yousuf Khan wrote - lp.com: On 26/08/2011 10:48 AM, dlzc wrote: I saw this as a sign that we were an AGN in the past, but are not one right now. But then again with intergalactic distances, somebody looking back at us from another galaxy, might just see us at the exact right moment when we were erupting. What makes you think we've stopped? All we can see is the skin of a normal matter balloon, displacing normal matter. *We have just seen / noticed this. *We don't know if contents are diffusing across the balloon walls (similar to a heliosheath), or if the balloon is getting larger. *We don't know what the contents of the balloons are, but "everyone" says it is Dark. I'd expect to see a jet in the middle of that bubble if we were still erupting. I don't know why david has the notion that an AGN is somehow invisible to the host galaxy... I don't know how you can be ignorant of the fact that we can see nothing more energetic than infrared on the ecliptic, due to dust, Eric. If you are going to talk to me, please talk to me. David A. Smith |
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Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
Dear Yousuf Khan:
On Aug 26, 1:46*pm, Yousuf Khan wrote: On 26/08/2011 10:48 AM, dlzc wrote: I saw this as a sign that we were an AGN in the past, but are not one right now. But then again with intergalactic distances, somebody looking back at us from another galaxy, might just see us at the exact right moment when we were erupting. What makes you think we've stopped? All we can see is the skin of a normal matter balloon, displacing normal matter. *We have just seen / noticed this. *We don't know if contents are diffusing across the balloon walls (similar to a heliosheath), or if the balloon is getting larger. *We don't know what the contents of the balloons are, but "everyone" says it is Dark. I'd expect to see a jet in the middle of that bubble if we were still erupting. Not if it is filled with "Dark" matter, not if the jet acts like a laser: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...7344.Ch.r.html .... and seems to me we've seen MIlky Way jets... http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/p86-099 .... whihc may have since been discounted. David A. Smith |
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Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
dlzc wrote in
: Dear Eric Gisse: On Aug 26, 3:14*pm, eric gisse wrote: Yousuf Khan wrote - lp.com: On 26/08/2011 10:48 AM, dlzc wrote: I saw this as a sign that we were an AGN in the past, but are not one right now. But then again with intergalactic distances, somebody looking back at us from another galaxy, might just see us at the exact right moment when we were erupting. What makes you think we've stopped? All we can see is the skin of a normal matter balloon, displacing normal matter. *We have just seen / noticed this. *We don't know if contents are diffusing across the balloon walls (similar to a heliosheath), or if the balloon is getting larger. *We don't know what the contents of the balloons are, but "everyone" says it is Dark. I'd expect to see a jet in the middle of that bubble if we were still erupting. I don't know why david has the notion that an AGN is somehow invisible to the host galaxy... I don't know how you can be ignorant of the fact that we can see nothing more energetic than infrared on the ecliptic, due to dust, Dust is not magic. It is opaque, but also emits which gives us a strong knowledge of the luminosity of whatever is sitting behind it. Plus the dust that obscures the central region of the galaxy is transparent to microwaves. We can see just fine. In fact, we've repeatedly seen events where the central black hole flares up because it ate something. Eric. If you are going to talk to me, please talk to me. David A. Smith xnews only shows new posts. Didn't and still don't give enough of a **** to dig for the parent and respond. |
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