Space Leaders Work To Replace Lunar Base With Manned AsteroidMissions

American wrote:

On Jan 20, 11:23 am, kT wrote:
American wrote:

Ron Paul : We don't care what the Nazi's did, they left us alone so
we're totally ok with it.

That's one way of totally taking the steam out of whatever
nationalistic pride might come the way of the party.

American

You can cram your ****ing nationalism up your sore, sorry and sorrier
butt ****ing ass, American, that is, if you still have one left :

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

http://www.secularhumanism.org/libra...britt_23_2.htm

Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that
link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of
power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in
some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of
similarity.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the
prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins,
the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime
itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious.
Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common
themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a
suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves
viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the
objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the
population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by
marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was
egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most
significant common thread among these regimes was the use of
scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other
problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in
controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and
disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite
“spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists,
socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional
national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals,
and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably
labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always
identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure
that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was
allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The
military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever
possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and
increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and
the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably
viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion
and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian
laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the
country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media
were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray
from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure
media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to
resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied
threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible
with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the
general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security
apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually
an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any
constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting
“national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as
unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes,
the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by
their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the
predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as
militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s
behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was
generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the
ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the
“godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite
was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of
ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large
corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The
ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure
military production (in developed states), but also as an additional
means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often
pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of
interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was
seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony
of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed
or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion
or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin
to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals
and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them
were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were
considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal.
Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty
harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were
strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and
literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes
maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison
populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked
power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often
merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against
political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or
“traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more
police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close
to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This
corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial
gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the
benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a
position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example,
by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus
under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely
unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public
opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates
were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the
desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the
election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters,
destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to
a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is
America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a
free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly
being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are
just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.

-----

Under the Bush junta, the Neocons (formerly "Republicans") have become
the party of malfeasance, executive abuse, gross neglect, mass death,
sanctioned torture, mass deceit, state propaganda, warmongering,
fearmongering, war crimes, economic ruination, larceny and treason.

Did I forget incompetence?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9610/10/feyn...plosion.lg.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Explosion.jpg

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:37:21 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
American made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

On Jan 20, 3:40 pm, kT wrote:
American wrote:
On Jan 20, 11:23 am, kT wrote:
American wrote:

Ron Paul : We don't care what the Nazi's did, they left us alone so
we're totally ok with it.

That's one way of totally taking the steam out of whatever
nationalistic pride might come the way of the party.

American

You can cram your ****ing nationalism up your sore, sorry and sorrier
butt ****ing ass, American, that is, if you still have one left :

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

http://www.secularhumanism.org/libra...britt_23_2.htm

Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that
link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of
power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in
some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of
similarity.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the
prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins,
the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime
itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious.
Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common
themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a
suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves
viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the
objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the
population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by
marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was
egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most
significant common thread among these regimes was the use of
scapegoating as a means to divert the people's attention from other
problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in
controlled directions. The methods of choice--relentless propaganda and
disinformation--were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite
"spontaneous" acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists,
socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional
national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals,
and "terrorists." Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably
labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always
identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure
that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was
allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The
military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever
possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and
increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and
the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably
viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion
and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian
laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the
country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media
were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray
from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure
media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to
resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied
threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible
with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the
general public unaware of the regimes' excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security
apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually
an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any
constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting
"national security," and questioning its activities was portrayed as
unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes,
the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by
their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the
predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as
militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite's
behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was
generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the
ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the
"godless." A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite
was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of
ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large
corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The
ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure
military production (in developed states), but also as an additional
means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often
pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of
interests, especially in the repression of "have-not" citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was
seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony
of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed
or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion
or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin
to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals
and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them
were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were
considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal.
Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty
harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were
strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and
literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes
maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison
populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked
power, leading to rampant abuse. "Normal" and political crime were often
merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against
political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or
"traitors" was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more
police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close
to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This
corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial
gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the
benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a
position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example,
by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus
under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely
unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public
opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates
were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the
desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the
election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters,
destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to
a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is
America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a
free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly
being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are
just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.

-----

Under the Bush junta, the Neocons (formerly "Republicans") have become
the party of malfeasance, executive abuse, gross neglect, mass death,
sanctioned torture, mass deceit, state propaganda, warmongering,
fearmongering, war crimes, economic ruination, larceny and treason.

Did I forget incompetence?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9610/10/feyn...plosion.lg.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e_Shuttle_Colo...

So does this self-righteousness of yours include the frequent
spewing of indignation at the resident warlord & co. when your
goose becomes so awfully cooked beyond well done?

It's not even his nonsensical spew. It's a cut'n'paste.

Here's a sane response to it.

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000169.html

American wrote:

I think you think you know why I support COTS but that doesn't
seem to be good enough for all the establishment types that,
admittedly, you or I have become inadvertantly "stuck" to,
but I think that you're inadvertantly becoming more stuck
to... yourself!

No, just non-toxic cryogenic liquid fuels and reusable launch vehicles.

You don't want private industry in the way of government
manipulation and control, so you label anything (that you think)
might actually work with your COTS proposal by slandering
a candidate that took a previously rough position with NASA.

EELVs will work. They exist. Anything else should be better or cheaper.

The ATK Athena III or Ares I will be neither better nor cheaper.

I know this to be true because I read the reports on Ron Paul,
but nobody knows what his position is on NASA today

Apparently you didn't bother to look, because here it is :

http://www.islandone.org/Politics/LP.space-dom.html

Space doesn't get the attention it should. Although I
oppose too many layers of bureaucracy, I have never thought
that the people at NASA (as a whole) should be completely
dissolved in favor of complete privatization, but I do think
that the most important focus for NASA should be the
cheapest earth-to-orbit technology possible.

Even if it doesn't work?

If NASA does
THAT, then private industry has a better shot at mining
the asteroids.

Dream on.

In the future, please don't lecture me about the tenets
of nationalism. I had an uncle who was shot down over
Nazi Germany during WWII, and it wasn't pretty.

But not you, right? Just someone you know.

Writing my position paper was more patriotic than anything you've done
besides pay taxes for a couple of wars that should never have occurred.

Rand Simberg wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:37:21 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
American made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

On Jan 20, 3:40 pm, kT wrote:
American wrote:
On Jan 20, 11:23 am, kT wrote:
American wrote:
Ron Paul : We don't care what the Nazi's did, they left us alone so
we're totally ok with it.
That's one way of totally taking the steam out of whatever
nationalistic pride might come the way of the party.
American
You can cram your ****ing nationalism up your sore, sorry and sorrier
butt ****ing ass, American, that is, if you still have one left :

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

http://www.secularhumanism.org/libra...britt_23_2.htm

Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that
link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of
power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in
some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of
similarity.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the
prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins,
the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime
itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious.
Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common
themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a
suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves
viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the
objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the
population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by
marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was
egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most
significant common thread among these regimes was the use of
scapegoating as a means to divert the people's attention from other
problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in
controlled directions. The methods of choice--relentless propaganda and
disinformation--were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite
"spontaneous" acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists,
socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional
national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals,
and "terrorists." Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably
labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always
identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure
that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was
allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The
military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever
possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and
increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and
the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably
viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion
and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian
laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the
country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media
were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray
from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure
media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to
resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied
threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible
with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the
general public unaware of the regimes' excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security
apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually
an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any
constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting
"national security," and questioning its activities was portrayed as
unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes,
the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by
their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the
predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as
militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite's
behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was
generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the
ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the
"godless." A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite
was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of
ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large
corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The
ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure
military production (in developed states), but also as an additional
means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often
pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of
interests, especially in the repression of "have-not" citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was
seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony
of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed
or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion
or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin
to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals
and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them
were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were
considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal.
Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty
harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were
strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and
literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes
maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison
populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked
power, leading to rampant abuse. "Normal" and political crime were often
merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against
political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or
"traitors" was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more
police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close
to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This
corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial
gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the
benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a
position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example,
by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus
under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely
unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public
opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates
were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the
desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the
election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters,
destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to
a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is
America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a
free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly
being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are
just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.

-----

Under the Bush junta, the Neocons (formerly "Republicans") have become
the party of malfeasance, executive abuse, gross neglect, mass death,
sanctioned torture, mass deceit, state propaganda, warmongering,
fearmongering, war crimes, economic ruination, larceny and treason.

Did I forget incompetence?

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9610/10/feyn...plosion.lg.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e_Shuttle_Colo...
So does this self-righteousness of yours include the frequent
spewing of indignation at the resident warlord & co. when your
goose becomes so awfully cooked beyond well done?

It's not even his nonsensical spew. It's a cut'n'paste.

Here's a sane response to it.

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000169.html

That's funny, and quite insane, even for a fascist.

American wrote:

On Jan 21, 10:00 am, kT wrote:

:: Space doesn't get the attention it should. Although I
:: oppose too many layers of bureaucracy, I have never thought
:: that the people at NASA (as a whole) should be completely
:: dissolved in favor of complete privatization, but I do think
:: that the most important focus for NASA should be the
:: cheapest earth-to-orbit technology possible. If NASA does
:: THAT, then private industry has a better shot at mining
:: the asteroids.

:: The Mars, Moon gravity fields are too strong for es-
:: tablishing a supply route to the asteroids; Europa and
:: Ganymede would be a better source of "quick and dirty"
:: water ice - Callisto would require too much drilling and
:: filtration. Europa would therefore require less involve-
:: ment in the extraction process. some wasted effort to
:: marginalize the already bankrupt industrial standard of
:: earth-to-orbit technology with the Mars-to-Jupiter-belt
:: non-metallic asteroids.

Ceres should have readily available water ice, and it's much closer and
has much less surface gravity.

: Apparently you didn't bother to look, because here it is:
:
: http://www.islandone.org/Politics/LP.space-dom.html
:

I've already seen that link. It was quite a way back
when he said that. Times have changed dramatically over
simple text posts. In fact, there is a contemporary
blogsite devoted to space enthusiasts for Ron Paul that
seems to be a little more open ended:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=93269

Do they mention Dr. Ron Paul's creationist beliefs?

:: Space doesn't get the attention it should. Although I
:: oppose too many layers of bureaucracy, I have never
:: thought that the people at NASA (as a whole) should be
:: completely dissolved in favor of complete privatization,
:: but I do think that the most important focus for NASA
:: should be the cheapest earth-to-orbit technology possible.

: Even if it doesn't work?

Uh, COTS is supposed to be a progenitor for all that *will*
work towards forming a healthy space infrastructure.

We have a healthy space infrastructure, which for some reason George W.
Bush and Michael Griffin fail to either acknowledge or utilize. Not that
COTS is a bad thing, we need more NK-33 type boosters since RPK folded.

However, clearly ATK will ace this thing with Griffin in power, and that
will promulgate the toxicity and weapons philosophy of solid rockets.

:: If NASA does THAT, then private industry has a better shot
:: at mining the asteroids.

: Dream on.

Have faith

I do, in science, since it is both verifiable and falsifiable.

Elfritz the boaster:

: Writing my position paper was more patriotic than anything
: you've done besides pay taxes for a couple of wars that
: should never have occurred.

Since you can't make an intelligent connection with intel-
ligent scientific persuasive ability, you resort to
hostility and invalidation for no apparent reason.

You could always read my papers, they are widely available.

Or even better, you could point us to your own works.

I must conclude that you're clueless, or must remain
that way because you are the type of person who has no
free will. I believe that you have been snared by forces
that are beyond your ability to comprehend where your
true potential lies. You are being manipulated by evil
forces, because I can see who your demons are.

Ron Paul is controlling my mind.

Maybe you need to get exorcised.

Maybe Pastor Ron can cure me.

Just because you *think* you are more successful, doesn't
mean that you are the least bit intelligent - it might
even mean that you know a lot more successful, unintelligent
people. In fact, I'll bet that you're probably Luciferian.

Is that a Ron Paul thing?

Why do I say that?

Because you are a Ron Paul supporter, and Ron Paul is the debil!

Because Space Station Freedom is "Luciferian", and if any-
thing from so-called COTS proposal has to dock there, it
too is infected with Luciferianism:

Is that a Ron Paul thing?