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ed kyle wrote: What will President Kerry do with NASA? My guess is that he will want to dump the Bush Moon/Mars plans ASAP, but will he be able to stop CEV and the end of Shuttle? - Ed Kyle A quick Google search gave this discouraging bit: "While he supports the space program, he does not support another mission to the moon. Investment in space exploration needs to be weighed against other priorities in the federal budget, he said. He favors an 'appropriate' level of space research." from http://telegram-franklinnh.com/2004/1/22/A2.html One of his goals, evidently, is energy independence from the mideast. He's big on photovoltaics but I saw no mention of nuclear power plants. I hope he doesn't have the knee-jerk liberal reaction to the N word. In my opinion, the western democracies achieving energy independence would be the biggest blow against the crazy Wahabbis. We're funding terrorism every time we fill our gas tanks. Of course you won't see oilmen Bush or Cheney trying to end our petroleum addiction. -- Hop David http://clowder.net/hop/index.html |
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Well, first of all, I think it is fairly clear that Kerry's position
on space will be... we just don't know! Who knew what Bush's position on space was before he got into office? Or anyone else? We essentially deal with the luck of the draw here. It's a very minor issue. The indirect effects of a Kerry election will be much more significant. First of all, he'll be running on an agenda of increased taxes that will run a high risk of stalling the economic recovery in the U.S. The economic recovery in the US has only a small amount to do with the tax cuts. You can read this from such radical caucuses as the IMF/WB. A slowed economy led by a President whose consituency will insist on spending the budget on domestic issues (expect national health care initiatives and similar programs) will simply not have the discretion to spend "extra" or "optional" money on new initiatives. It's hard to see how somebody who cuts taxes (largely as a bonanza for powerful interests, not as economic stimulus, which would target those likely to spend) and runs up massive deficits is going to have a lot of doe either. If Kerry is brave enough to propose a single payer system, you can probably expect savings of maybe 3% of GNP, judging from typical cases in other countries. Secondly, the defeat of G.W. Bush will be viewed in the rest of the world as a repudiation of the war on terror. Let's hope so. We're likely to see a lot more terror if this war on terror goes on long enough. It kind of reminds me of the war on drugs. Whether or not this is true, it can't help but encourage new efforts to force the U.S. out of the Middle East. God forbid the US might be brought somehow to renounce its imperialism. What do you think of PNAC? Kerry's views of international terrorism as a law enforcement issue, rather than a national security one, practically guarantee a return to the previous policies for dealing with terrorists. What would those be? Funding them? Being them? I'd predict a resurgance in large-scale terrorism against domestic & foreign U.S. targets within a year of the election -- with the resulting economic damage further reducing the money available for "optional" projects like the CEV (or a Kerry equivalent). Yeah, ok. Nobody has a clue whether there is going to be terrorism against the US or not. The best you can do is stop committing similar, though much larger, crimes against other countries. Win the hearts of the poor of the world, help them instead of hurting them. You know, Osama bin Laden had a clear rationale for favoring 9/11. You ought to read it. There are clear reasons he lists. None of them have really been broadcast in the American media--it's more convenient to simply deny reality and broadcast fantasies about how they "hate our freedom" or something. |
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Alexander Sheppard wrote: You know, Osama bin Laden had a clear rationale for favoring 9/11. You ought to read it. Can you point to a website? -- Hop David http://clowder.net/hop/index.html |
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"Hop David" wrote in message ... Mark R. Whittington wrote: "Kaido Kert" wrote in message om... "Mark R. Whittington" wrote in message hlink.net... "ed kyle" wrote in message e.com... What will President Kerry do with NASA? My guess is that he will want to dump the Bush Moon/Mars plans ASAP, but will he be able to stop CEV and the end of Shuttle? - Ed Kyle That's the assumption, though many people thought that Clinton would cancel the space station in 1993 and he did not. My guess is that we would probably see the end of Americans in space under a Kerry administration, sooner or later. I dont think he would have means to stop X-Prize or Space Adventures. Americans could still go to space. -kert Don't be too sure about that. I do not think Kerry would exert himself too much to pass regulatory or tax incentives for private space travel. Also, he is quite capable of forbidding travel to the Moon or Mars out of environmental reasons. Environmental reasons? The Moon and Mars? Could you explain this in more detail? There's already a line of thought in the environmental movement that humans should be barred from celestrial bodies in order to preserve their environments. Robert Park, the "robots uber alles" advocate, is hitting on this theme. -- Hop David http://clowder.net/hop/index.html |
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"Mark R. Whittington" wrote in message hlink.net...
My guess is that we would probably see the end of Americans in space under a Kerry administration, sooner or later. I dont think he would have means to stop X-Prize or Space Adventures. Americans could still go to space. Don't be too sure about that. I do not think Kerry would exert himself too much to pass regulatory or tax incentives for private space travel. Has the current Administration exerted itself to pass regulatory or tax incentives? Ever since the Bush speech, supporters of the new policy (including NASA watchers and curmudgeon bloggers) have taken to dissing the idea that private enterprise might be a viable alternative. Kerry probably wouldn't be any more supportive of commercial space, but realistically, could he be any less? Also, he is quite capable of forbidding travel to the Moon or Mars out of environmental reasons. Interesting (if a bit paranoid). Do you expect there will be commercial travel to the Moon or Mars in the next eight years? (Kerry won't be able to forbid anything after he leaves office.) That's at least five years before Project Constellation is scheduled to land on the Moon, isn't it? |
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Mark R. Whittington wrote: "Hop David" wrote in message ... Mark R. Whittington wrote: "Kaido Kert" wrote in message e.com... "Mark R. Whittington" wrote in message arthlink.net... "ed kyle" wrote in message gle.com... What will President Kerry do with NASA? My guess is that he will want to dump the Bush Moon/Mars plans ASAP, but will he be able to stop CEV and the end of Shuttle? - Ed Kyle That's the assumption, though many people thought that Clinton would cancel the space station in 1993 and he did not. My guess is that we would probably see the end of Americans in space under a Kerry administration, sooner or later. I dont think he would have means to stop X-Prize or Space Adventures. Americans could still go to space. -kert Don't be too sure about that. I do not think Kerry would exert himself too much to pass regulatory or tax incentives for private space travel. Also, he is quite capable of forbidding travel to the Moon or Mars out of environmental reasons. Environmental reasons? The Moon and Mars? Could you explain this in more detail? There's already a line of thought in the environmental movement that humans should be barred from celestrial bodies in order to preserve their environments. Robert Park, the "robots uber alles" advocate, is hitting on this theme. Maintaining biodiversity on Earth is important for our comfort and survival. The best reason I can think of for leaving planets and asteroids untouched is so planetary scientists can have pristine samples to study. There's something to be said for that, but this reason is not nearly as compelling as maintaining biodiversity. -- Hop David http://clowder.net/hop/index.html |
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:11:13 -0700, Hop David
wrote: Maintaining biodiversity on Earth is important for our comfort and survival. What makes you believe that environmentalists are all interested in human comfort or survival? They are not. Brian |
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"Hop David" wrote in message
... In my opinion, the western democracies achieving energy independence would be the biggest blow against the crazy Wahabbis. We're funding terrorism every time we fill our gas tanks. one way of looking at it. There are others. Of course you won't see oilmen Bush or Cheney trying to end our petroleum addiction. Oh sure they would. The minute that an alternative energy source can be delivered to wholesale for a profit margin that's significantly cheaper than what Big Oil gets selling gasoline, they'll switch over in a heartbeat. They just don't want *you* figuring out how to do that -- Terrell Miller "It's one thing to burn down the **** house and another thing entirely to install plumbing" -PJ O'Rourke |
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"ed kyle" wrote in message
om... What will President Kerry do with NASA? absolutely nothing, for rather obvious reasons... -- Terrell Miller "It's one thing to burn down the **** house and another thing entirely to install plumbing" -PJ O'Rourke |
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